Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2021, 05:05:57 PM
50" NTN
(https://i.imgur.com/JghP1JJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5sS6wNj.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 30, 2021, 05:39:50 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on January 30, 2021, 05:59:31 PM
That looks a lot like a Sheepeater. Brent Rudolf developed the design, him and Mark Baker made them for several years then farmed production out to Mike Westvang. I made one and sent it to Turkey several years back for the TradGang bow swap. Here is a picture of the one I still have:
They had a version with a recurve style pistol grip too. Rigidity in the tips is key to the Sheepeaters performance, it took Brent several dozen bows before he got it to where he liked it. I had one that sent a 560 grain arrow 188 FPS 48#’s. I always shoot high with those bows.
Post by: Walt Francis on January 30, 2021, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: kennym on January 30, 2021, 06:12:34 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 30, 2021, 06:19:02 PM
Ya by any chance have a full draw picture of it?
Post by: Longcruise on January 30, 2021, 06:40:31 PM
Post by: Shredd on January 30, 2021, 07:30:59 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2021, 07:46:04 PM
Kenny all those 64" one's with the narrow tips were the same limb design
Roy full draw on face/back thread
Shredd I have been trying to buy one from everybody I found with my search on the net, I PMed many people.
Form is Made.
I will start with a .004 forward taper and then try a .002 forward taper
Post by: mmattockx on January 30, 2021, 07:46:54 PM
I've been CAD drawing this one for about 6 years and made the lower form Yesterday.
50" NTN
Cool, I look forward to seeing this one come to life. I don't know if I ever want a 50" bow but this seems to me the way to get the most out of fibreglass. How wide are you thinking for the first one?
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2021, 08:04:56 PM
I searched and searched and I found a phone number on the Black Mountain website and called it many times.
On day he answered and we talked for a hour, He told me he was Driving a Semi truck from east coast to west cost every week. He did not have any at that time but had a 56" T/D, So we met across the Mississippi river in West Memphis at the Love's truck stop about a hour from my home and I bought it from him.
Really Nice guy. Here is the Sheepeater
(https://i.imgur.com/iFNcFZ3.jpg?1)
The Sheepeater Indians had Short Sheep Horn bows and hunted Sheep in Montana before we came here a ran them off. I think all I have said is correct, Walt will know?
(https://i.imgur.com/f6GdJHx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q5gx1qc.jpg)
Here is the 56" The Shaman
What does that mean Walt
(https://i.imgur.com/hbH7K2J.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
I've been CAD drawing this one for about 6 years and made the lower form Yesterday.
50" NTN
Cool, I look forward to seeing this one come to life. I don't know if I ever want a 50" bow but this seems to me the way to get the most out of fibreglass. How wide are you thinking for the first one?
Mark
Start with 1-1/2" glass
Post by: KenH on January 30, 2021, 10:28:13 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on January 31, 2021, 12:25:14 AM
The Sheepeaters lived in what is now Yellowstone National Park, mostly late spring through early fall. As the name implies, they hunted and lived using Big Horn sheep as one of their major sources of meat. As previously noted, they were one of the few tribes that used Horn to make a bow.
I do not know much about the Shaman bow. Brent and I talked about a three piece once or twice. I believe he designed one (and didn’t like it) to allow people to travel with it. I could be mistaken, Mike & Jason might have developed it later. I do not remember seeing one in person.
Post by: Mad Max on January 31, 2021, 12:43:46 AM
Post by: Stagmitis on February 01, 2021, 12:26:48 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 01, 2021, 01:30:10 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 06:53:47 PM
Moving forward.
I got the form routed out today :bigsmyl:
(https://i.imgur.com/fpIdQBY.jpg)
Post by: kennym on February 18, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
Gonne peg and mule tape this one?
Rody tell ya how to make a glass bow yet? :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 18, 2021, 08:43:02 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 09:19:01 PM
1-1/2" form :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on April 05, 2021, 06:37:55 PM
I will make one for the riser belly to pattern sand most of it.
Riser is 16"
(https://i.imgur.com/3aKwIJB.jpg)
Walt Francis sent me his so I measure it up :thumbsup:
I was close in most of it but the fades.
Walt's is 63#@27"
(https://i.imgur.com/h1djULf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/26bHsHr.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 05, 2021, 08:55:03 PM
Post by: kennym on April 05, 2021, 09:34:48 PM
Post by: bigbob2 on April 09, 2021, 10:03:48 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 10, 2021, 08:24:30 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 22, 2021, 07:05:54 PM
50# now still needs rounding over :thumbsup:
Off the form and buggers cleaned up.
(https://i.imgur.com/dhlHQCz.jpg)
Profiled the limb width
(https://i.imgur.com/uax448N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EarXYuN.jpg)
The other bow is behind my bow, mine needs a little tiller adjustment.
(https://i.imgur.com/Bxxz4kP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eDksxV5.jpg)
I put the 2 pictures together on paint
(https://i.imgur.com/zdJ6iOV.jpg)
Post by: Shredd on April 22, 2021, 07:58:51 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 22, 2021, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 23, 2021, 03:42:35 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2021, 08:19:35 AM
Post by: Birdbow76 on April 23, 2021, 10:08:05 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2021, 02:48:11 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 23, 2021, 03:03:35 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 23, 2021, 05:48:57 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2021, 06:43:45 PM
Post by: kennym on April 23, 2021, 07:29:34 PM
Same as the Sheepeater, .00something :tongue:
Can you make that in a fraction so's you don't cornfuse Rody? :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 23, 2021, 07:31:45 PM
Post by: ztontonz on April 23, 2021, 07:53:02 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2021, 09:04:52 PM
Thanks guy's :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on April 24, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on April 24, 2021, 04:56:29 PM
Post by: BO-R on April 25, 2021, 09:01:07 AM
Looks like that will have some zip to it..
Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/axE3wsp.jpg)
Sheep horn
(https://i.imgur.com/1VpExxk.jpg)
Drying the glue on the Handle wrap
(https://i.imgur.com/3CIHBzl.jpg)
Post by: Longcruise on April 25, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 25, 2021, 07:27:14 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2021, 07:53:29 PM
Can you expand on the application of the rattan and where you source it?
Cane & Basket BAS-FOR-0003 Flat oval Reed 1/4" x 3/64" x 275'
the Rattan will snap easy when dry
I soaked it in water for about 30 min. while I was gluing on the floppy arrow rest , Tite bond 3 ,shaved down the starting end , 1st wrap overlap just a bit and kept going, pulled the tail end under the next to last lap, pull tight, cut off the tail, I put a spring clamp on it for a while.
I will post pictures of the start and end of the wrap tomarrow :thumbsup:
Some of the pieces are short 5/6 foot (some are 13/14'), so I made a skive joint (just like lams) for a test, super glued it and soaked it too, just a little light sanding.
My piece was 13' 6"and I used just over 7' for mine.
Post by: Stagmitis on April 26, 2021, 02:30:11 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 26, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
A big Thanks to Brent Rudolph Sheepeater spirit bows
I talked to Brent many times over the years, last time he said he would get the templates and all together to sent me but he never did, He is a busy guy and a Great guy, and a Awesome Bowyer. :jumper:
My Clone
Shoshone Bighorn 50" NTN 60#@28" Thanks goes out to Brent
Here is the wrap tucked under
(https://i.imgur.com/t8UxYmW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hQ4Ij8e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mh4gxzP.jpg)
Back
(https://i.imgur.com/D7qTQ9Y.jpg)
VHT Matt Clear
(https://i.imgur.com/D7qTQ9Y.jpg)
Stabil-Kore down the center
(https://i.imgur.com/GT9wNwK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ncqDMC8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XmSrNfD.jpg)
Braced and full draw later this week at the Tn. Classic :bigsmyl:
Post by: Longcruise on April 26, 2021, 04:00:56 PM
Do you think a recurve style is wrappable?
Post by: Mad Max on April 26, 2021, 04:19:38 PM
Thanks for the rattan info. The pictures are great.
Do you think a recurve style is wrappable?
It does NOT stretch any, so I would say no.
If you did your belly something like this
(https://i.imgur.com/F1kyA2h.jpg)
Post by: Longcruise on April 26, 2021, 09:45:31 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 27, 2021, 01:48:05 AM
Post by: Walt Francis on April 28, 2021, 09:30:15 AM
Post by: Flem on April 28, 2021, 09:42:57 AM
The handle wrap is awesome, does it get some waterproofing or dye?
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 28, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
Post by: rainman on April 28, 2021, 12:19:13 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on April 28, 2021, 11:51:57 PM
Thats a really cool looking bow. The lines are visually, very appealing :thumbsup:
The handle wrap is awesome, does it get some waterproofing or dye?
Mark Baker was using rattan on his selfbows long before Brent and him got together making Sheepeaters. Brent was using leather on the bow handles long before they were called Sheepeaters. I used leather to finish the handles on the ones I made.
I’m not sure if the Rattan will take a dye. However, you need to soak the rattan to make it pliable enough to wrap around the handle, I would worry about dye staining the bow. If you are careful, the rattan might be dyed while on the bow. I can’t say for sure, but there might be waxy rind on the rattan.
Mark did most of the rattan handles and finished them with the same rattle can finish he uses on his selfbows. I think he lightly sands the rattan shoe-shine style to remove any bumps or slivers, then with a soft spongey sanding pad, before spraying the finish.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 29, 2021, 07:31:53 AM
Post by: kennym on April 29, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 02, 2021, 05:07:51 PM
Thats a really cool looking bow. The lines are visually, very appealing :thumbsup:
The handle wrap is awesome, does it get some waterproofing or dye?
Flem and walt
I wish I would have darkened it up a little, not much, Info from Cane & Basket
Flat Reed and Flat Oval Reed is rattan splint cut by machine from the larger diameter rattan poles. Flat Reed is flat on both sides with the top side being smoother. Flat Oval Reed is flat on the bottom side and oval on top. Both can be used for weaving chair seats and basket weaving. Both can be stained or dyed easily.
Available in natural and smoked color.
Flat and Flat Oval Reed are put up in coils that weigh approximately 1 lb.
Like my other statics Stic, hard to string at first , but I'm use to it
Thanks guy's
Brace and full draw by James Parker (23rd Tennessee Classic)
(https://i.imgur.com/34ZGgQn.jpg)
Here you go Rainman
(https://i.imgur.com/RaJlckf.jpg)
Nice to here more Info Walt :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 02, 2021, 05:48:28 PM
Post by: Buemaker on May 02, 2021, 06:00:07 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 02, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
Looks real good, Mark.
Post by: Mad Max on May 02, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
Post by: kennym on May 02, 2021, 09:01:24 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 02, 2021, 11:17:27 PM
Post by: Flem on May 03, 2021, 08:45:43 AM
Nice job on a very cool bow :thumbsup:
Post by: Stagmitis on May 05, 2021, 03:28:00 PM
Post by: KenH on May 06, 2021, 06:58:54 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 06, 2021, 08:18:54 AM
VERY nicely done! You know I'm a big fan of short recurves!!
:thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on May 07, 2021, 06:46:21 PM
He's cool with me making some. ;)
Great guy :thumbsup:
Post by: Stagmitis on May 07, 2021, 07:52:58 PM