Post by: Pat B on January 24, 2021, 02:01:53 PM
Re: 2020---->What did ya do today?
« Reply #1184 on: December 29, 2020, 01:06:29 PM »
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I started removing the bark and sapwood off of a nice, 2 year old osage stave, my least favorite part of wood bow building. I'm planning on an ALB but will decide that once I get a good back ring exposed. This will be my first build in at least a year so y'all pray for me. :bigsmyl:
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I finally got some of this done today since the new bandsaw blades came in. I will post pics later. I'm going to document the whole process. :thumbsup:
Post by: Minnesota Bill on January 24, 2021, 02:31:06 PM
Bill
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 24, 2021, 02:40:26 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: mmattockx on January 24, 2021, 03:03:28 PM
I will post pics later. I'm going to document the whole process. :thumbsup:
Cool, it is always great to see a build along and learn new things.
Mark
Post by: Pat B on January 24, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3rOVSZm.jpg?1)
This is the stave cut down to 2" wide. I removed the bark and sapwood.
(https://i.imgur.com/wCccjmL.jpg?1)
one end grain
(https://i.imgur.com/tYrHHUQ.jpg)
the other end grain
(https://i.imgur.com/0g2ZGqC.jpg)
this is what I use to mark out the center line. It works great especially for irregular staves. First I cock it one direction and draw the line...
(https://i.imgur.com/wFm4TB7.jpg)
then I cock it the other direction and draw the line. Where the 2 lines split I draw a line between them.
Post by: Pat B on January 24, 2021, 04:03:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/F5jbMts.jpg)
this shows the center line and where it doubles...
(https://i.imgur.com/arTLZEt.jpg?1)
here I've marked out the center of the stave from end to end and marked out my 4" handle. I will have 4" fades on this bow also and you can see those lines.
(https://i.imgur.com/Hxajyt0.jpg?1)
this is the handle and fade layout on one side of the stave. the back of the stave is at the top...
(https://i.imgur.com/fPZ5vOi.jpg)
and finally the stave cut out with 3/4" thick limbs. I still have to find a good back ring so I left it extra thick.
(https://i.imgur.com/aJRGZix.jpg)
Post by: Pat B on January 24, 2021, 04:07:15 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 24, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
Watching :thumbsup: :jumper:
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 24, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
I can use this info on the Osage stave Maxi gave me...
Post by: Walt Francis on January 24, 2021, 09:27:33 PM
Looking good!
Post by: Longcruise on January 24, 2021, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 24, 2021, 10:38:58 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 25, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
Is it used because when a stave is split out of a log, the stave usually splits following the grain of the wood?
So your tool pretty much will follow the grain of the stave?
Or is it used to follow the center of a snaky stave?
Post by: Pat B on January 25, 2021, 09:03:14 AM
Post by: Flem on January 25, 2021, 10:36:45 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 25, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Thanks..
Post by: Pat B on January 25, 2021, 12:01:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xlhUDEM.jpg)
next I trace around my lowest back ring. This, I hope will be my back ring but it's too early to tell with thin rings.
(https://i.imgur.com/4XZhr6k.jpg)
you can see how confusing it could be without marking each ring.
(https://i.imgur.com/gdWY1x7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RJtcYlZ.jpg)
To be able to see these thin rings well I view the stave from one end with the other end pointing to natural light. Even with our overcast rainy day outside natural light shows up the rings better than the flourescent and LED lighting in my shop.
The tools I'm using today are primarily a goose neck scraper, a flat scraper and occasionally a draw knife. Any time I expose the next ring I mark it. The lowest ring, when all is done will be my back ring. This is where patience and lots of pencil marks comes in handy.
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 25, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 25, 2021, 03:16:39 PM
I started this morning at about 10 and worked until noon then back at it at 1 to 2:30, all the while chasing that good ring. I'll be back at it again soon. Still another couple of hours to go. Generally it doesn't take this ling but with the thin rings, knots(mostly pins) and the concave back the gooseneck has been my primary tool. Anyway, that's selfbow building. :thumbsup: More fun than a stick in the eye. :laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on January 25, 2021, 04:52:18 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 25, 2021, 07:25:06 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 25, 2021, 09:20:34 PM
Still chasing that illusive back ring. As I go down a ring the one below is more concave making it a slow process. You might be able to see the concavity in this pic. I put the piece of wood across the limb to highlight it.
how long is that area Pat?
Post by: Pat B on January 25, 2021, 10:32:11 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on January 26, 2021, 12:30:32 AM
My experience with a dip on the back (concave), is they are a pain to chase the growth ring, more difficult to tiller, shoot a little faster than bows with a convex or flat back, and tend to be a little less durable. Like your bow in the picture, I try to keep the bottom of the dip running down the center of the limb.
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 26, 2021, 10:41:17 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 26, 2021, 10:52:49 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
Yes Roy, the gooseneck scraper is about all I used yesterday. It's hard to get and keep it sharp though. With my flat scraper I clamp it in the vice and remove the bur with a flat bastard file then flatten the edge with the file and roll both edges of that with a burnisher. With the gooseneck I have to use my disc/belt sander. I lay it flat on the disc sander table and grind the edge flat. This makes the edges sharp but doesn't give it the hook. The sharp edges seem to dull fairly quickly.
My next step is to get the other limb, the one with all the pins down to one ring. Unfortunately that will be below the other clean limb so I may have to go down another ring on it again. :knothead:
Post by: Walt Francis on January 26, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2021, 11:45:02 AM
I think I'll back this bow with rawhide. With the thin rings and all the knots I think it would be a smart thing to do plus it gives me a good pallet for some decorations.
Post by: Mad Max on January 26, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 26, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
:knothead: :laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on January 26, 2021, 01:32:48 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2021, 02:40:27 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 26, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 28, 2021, 11:45:12 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 28, 2021, 12:10:16 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 28, 2021, 12:20:10 PM
Your too far across this stream to go eat :laughing:
Post by: Pat B on January 28, 2021, 11:45:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hxajyt0.jpg?1)
I marked the center line again on the 2" wide stave then marked the 4" handle and 4" fades then I draw a line across the limbs every 6" from the fade to the tips. This helps me lay out the bow. One side of the handle area had a bad tear out. I decided to make the bow 1 5/8" wide and this will eliminate the tearout. The line on the right is at 1 5/8" and the right side of the limb.
(https://i.imgur.com/PMZiY4R.jpg?1)
Once the width is reduced I mark the side of the stave with the handle, fades and 3/4" thick limbs.
(https://i.imgur.com/ldbMABY.jpg?1)
and from there I begin the rough thinning of the limbs by sawing off facets on the belly from the 3/4" line towards the center of the belly.
(https://i.imgur.com/vgyu4Tz.jpg?1)
then remove the peak along the center of the belly.
(https://i.imgur.com/xaeCOq5.jpg?1)
Besides the bandsaw these are the tools I've used so far
(https://i.imgur.com/hE13bcJ.jpg)
and these are the tools I'll use for shaping and tillering
(https://i.imgur.com/Yd2sfLE.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 29, 2021, 04:25:28 AM
Post by: Buemaker on January 29, 2021, 05:47:09 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 29, 2021, 11:22:44 AM
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 30, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 30, 2021, 12:32:09 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2021, 01:31:53 PM
Very nice. I've never liked chasing rings. :) Jawge
sometimes it's easy and some times a pain :thumbsup:
Post by: Pat B on February 01, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
Anyway...My initial reduction was to make the limbs 3/4" thick. After I get it down to that point I floor tiller check to see if there is any bend. At this point there rarely is but I always check just in case. Next I thin the limbs to 5/8". To get my line down the side of the limb I first mark 5/8" at a few points down each side of each limb then draw a line. I use my fingers and a pencil to do this...
(https://i.imgur.com/c4czWqT.jpg)
...on all 4 sides. you can see the 3/4" line and the 5/8" line here...
(https://i.imgur.com/GPLjDpd.jpg)
making sure I follow the ups and downs of the back with the pencil line...
(https://i.imgur.com/K8ZuYET.jpg)
then I start reducing the thickness with a farriers rasp using the faceted method, first down one side of the limb, then the other side. not sure if you can see these facets in the pic but there is a peak down the center...
(https://i.imgur.com/uiP08AR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/G9ooOhA.jpg)
then I reduce that peak with the farriers and clean up the tool marks with a scraper and center the crown of the belly down the center of the limb...
(https://i.imgur.com/FiRryoE.jpg)
to be continued...
Post by: Mad Max on February 01, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 01, 2021, 03:26:43 PM
Looks nice.
Post by: Pat B on February 01, 2021, 03:53:34 PM
Roy, just busy enough. :thumbsup:
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 01, 2021, 05:37:06 PM
I use a foam mat to stand on. The type that dovetails together in two foot squares. It’s about 1/2” thick and it sure helps.
Dave.
Post by: Pat B on February 01, 2021, 08:08:44 PM
BTW, my cold ain't Canada cold but it is still cold to me. :wavey:
Post by: Mad Max on February 01, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 01, 2021, 10:24:53 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 01, 2021, 10:47:45 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 03, 2021, 10:51:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NRlVWWz.jpg)
I like to check the thickness along and across the limbs using my hand as a thickness gauge. Amazing how small a difference in thickness you can feel like this...
(https://i.imgur.com/ERLKUEu.jpg)
being that the limbs are getting thin but still barely bending at floor tiller tells me it time to narrow the limbs some. But first I move from the bench vise to the Stave Master, the best bow building tool I ever bought. This was made by a bowyer named Keenan Howard of Bend Oregon. Keenan is a fabulous selfbow builder with a bad back so he came up with this bow bench. I got this bow bench without a seat and bought a plastic boat seat for it. The seat swivel comes with the bow bench...
(https://i.imgur.com/ne8Jz91.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2kzdwUM.jpg)
The front portion with the bow holder swivels allowing easy access to the stave...
(https://i.imgur.com/uiU1SnJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4oRaBAG.jpg)
This is what would be called the knucklehead on a standard bow bench. The square tube "table" that the stave rests on slides forward to back so you can adjust it as you work out towards the end of the limb.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZJ96x4p.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ejp2oDI.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 04, 2021, 04:25:26 AM
I got a yew stave off Keenan years ago.
I chat with him on Facebook now and then.
Post by: Buemaker on February 04, 2021, 04:57:07 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 09:10:50 AM
Thanks Bue. The Stave Master is the cat's meow for sure. Pretty simple but very effective.
Post by: gifford, MO on February 04, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 10:11:29 AM
Keenan is a true artist in whatever he does from his magnificent selfbows of all sorts of wood to his metal fabrication and not just the Stave Master. He did a custom build for a guy that collected model trains and built a steel tressel to go around his fireplace near the ceiling, riveted together and to scale. He is just one of those guys that can do anything and very well.
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 12:55:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VZFWeLz.jpg)
I made sure to mark the knots near the edge so I could allow some extra width at those knots
(https://i.imgur.com/f4KOkIy.jpg)
Another thing I thought I would add that is important when using a scraper. If you keep the scraper perpendicular across the stave while scraping it will create undulations on the surface that look like waves.
(https://i.imgur.com/uWGypm2.jpg)
so I alternate the scraper by slanting it to the left then to the right along with perpendicular
(https://i.imgur.com/MZOQBjp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/J05xJxm.jpg)
By doing this you take down the crest of these waves keeping the belly relatively flat, without the waves.
I had forgotten about these that my daughter gave me a few years ago for Christmas. She and I have a tradition of watching zombie(Walking Dead, Fear of Walking Dead) shows on TV when she comes to visit. I keep them attached to my bowyers bench for safe keeping...
(https://i.imgur.com/uxhyCdY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tqDuF8X.jpg)
Post by: hunting badger on February 04, 2021, 01:21:33 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 04:10:08 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 04, 2021, 04:13:08 PM
Do not try making a self bow with a stave with a concave back:)
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 05:29:23 PM
Post by: Flem on February 04, 2021, 07:23:26 PM
How do you apply pressure with it?
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 04, 2021, 07:33:41 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 04, 2021, 10:30:03 PM
Post by: Flem on February 04, 2021, 11:20:08 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 05, 2021, 05:38:51 AM
Just sayen:)
:wavey: Pat
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 05, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2021, 09:17:53 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 05, 2021, 11:00:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6ro764M.jpg)
and as I'm floortillering I study the bend. In this case the bend seem to be mostly mid limb so I draw a line across the limb and put an "X" on the side I don't want to scrape as you see in this pic
(https://i.imgur.com/tl2kOxd.jpg)
that's it for now. more to come.
Post by: Pat B on February 07, 2021, 11:24:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4duMLqt.jpg)
you can see here how far the limb is out of whack
(https://i.imgur.com/9rr6B93.jpg)
so, like I always do before making heat corrections I coated the belly with cooking oil
(https://i.imgur.com/qXo2zoF.jpg)
I place this little piece of wood between the form and limb as a fulcrum for the first bend
(https://i.imgur.com/QgvMtKO.jpg)
then started heating and clamping. The wood clamp brings the limb back over to the form around the fulcrum I added before
(https://i.imgur.com/XlV8VCZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/topH3yK.jpg)
and the "C" clamps bring the limb to the form and the clamp at the end brings the crooked tip to the form.
(https://i.imgur.com/uBmChT9.jpg)
Once the limb is heated and clamped I go over the limb again from the fade to the tip with the heat gun getting it too hot to touch then let it stay in the form until next session(at least overnight.
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 08, 2021, 04:38:50 AM
It's amazing how nice osage bends with heat.
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 08:29:47 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 08, 2021, 08:35:49 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 09:47:40 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 08, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 10:40:46 AM
Post by: Flem on February 08, 2021, 11:13:24 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 11:54:50 AM
I have put recurves in limbs with dry heat, just like this and they stayed permanently fixed. Heating and bending wood has been around as long as people have used wood for tools. Even Neanderthal used this method to straighten out their throwing and lunging spears they used to hunt the megafauna of their times.
Post by: Pat B on February 08, 2021, 11:19:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QOvxnAZ.jpg)
...and remove a little tip twist...
(https://i.imgur.com/5tuPo0S.jpg?1)
I started by oiling and heating the limb. I hold the heat gun about 1" above the belly and move it back and forth over about a 6" area until the wood is too hot to touch then add a clamp and move on to the next 6". The dark spot on the limb is a shadow. I don't like to scorch the limb as I make adjustments. After the limbs are straight and at a later date I will go back with the heat gun, without oil and heat treat(temper) the belly, scorching it as I go.
(https://i.imgur.com/zi2eTOm.jpg)
When it's too hot to touch I clamp that area and move on to the next 6" and on out the limb...
(https://i.imgur.com/V0bEYHc.jpg)
next it's time to remove the twist from the tip. I place a wood pad under the down side or the twist and clamp the other side to twist the tip the opposite direction while I'm heating. You can see the pad under the limb edge just beyond the clamp...
(https://i.imgur.com/sXlzxQ0.jpg?1)
more to come...
Post by: Mad Max on February 08, 2021, 11:53:55 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 09, 2021, 12:19:17 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 09, 2021, 03:59:45 AM
Post by: Flem on February 09, 2021, 08:53:53 AM
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 09, 2021, 04:14:01 PM
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on February 09, 2021, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 09, 2021, 06:04:29 PM
Dave.
Post by: Pat B on February 09, 2021, 06:24:44 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 11, 2021, 10:57:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4kNjtTE.jpg)
...but I did get the twist out of the limb tip...
(https://i.imgur.com/ULQDmWP.jpg)
I also developed the back profile starting out at 1 1/2" at the fades and out 4" before tapering to 1" about 7" from the tips then tapering to 3/4" for now.
(https://i.imgur.com/vqN5yPz.jpg)
Now it is time to put in temporary string nocks. I put a pencil line on the side of the tip at 3/4" at the back and 1" at the belly...
(https://i.imgur.com/NU8cFpy.jpg)
and cut the groove with a chainsaw file to about half the diameter of the file...
(https://i.imgur.com/pBJo0IP.jpg?1)
...making sure I go on to the belly side to guide the string...
(https://i.imgur.com/u4ELvOI.jpg?1)
...I put a string on just a bit longer than the bow for a tiller string and put the stave on the tiller tree...
(https://i.imgur.com/iciyx4f.jpg)
and after a little short exercising I do a pull to check the initial tiller...
(https://i.imgur.com/GGG8xmH.jpg)
more to come...
Post by: Mad Max on February 11, 2021, 11:56:34 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 12, 2021, 12:32:28 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 12, 2021, 04:48:29 AM
I like the unbraced profile.
Post by: Mad Max on February 12, 2021, 08:03:03 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 12, 2021, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 12, 2021, 10:44:15 PM
LOL
Post by: Pat B on February 14, 2021, 11:33:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BtTvfmB.jpg)
I continue this pencil line through the handle area from limb to limb to insure the thickness is consistent through the tillering process.
(https://i.imgur.com/Uc4N5Yx.jpg)
After a little more belly scraping I exercise well first then I can also get a good view of how and where the limbs are bending. Here I am at 17" on a loose string. It bow is pulling 50# at this point so I have plenty weight to loose while adjusting the tiller.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHvkJtr.jpg)
I decided to pull out the good ole tillering Gizmo. This is my tiller stick. It has 3 settings, 4.5", 7.5" 11.5" and 14" at the top. I use it very little, only when using the Gizmo. Looks like I'm at 11.5" on a loose tillering string in the pic.
(https://i.imgur.com/ohUyJ0H.jpg)
Here is the Gizmo in action. You can see the pencil line where I need to give it a few scrapes.
(https://i.imgur.com/QfAnn03.jpg?1)
...more to come...
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 15, 2021, 05:14:52 AM
Post by: Flem on February 15, 2021, 10:11:56 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 15, 2021, 11:27:54 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 16, 2021, 11:42:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fJewiSC.jpg)
...and at 22", going for 26".
(https://i.imgur.com/muCCJHn.jpg)
The limb with the twisted tip also had a lateral bend so I got out the oil, the heat gun and a few clamps.
(https://i.imgur.com/f5GVGXc.jpg?1)
...more to come...
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 17, 2021, 04:51:36 AM
Looks sweet.
Post by: Mad Max on February 17, 2021, 08:02:10 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 17, 2021, 09:45:10 AM
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 06:40:01 PM
Works really good for those concave rings, you can hear the early growth rings when you get down to them, then come back with the scraper.
It's not flat on the bottom.
(https://i.imgur.com/ppVMr6O.jpg)
I cant find it on the internet because I don't know what to call it. :knothead:
Looks like a beaver tail.
Works like a chisel :thumbsup:
(https://i.imgur.com/gKSsnD6.jpg)
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 18, 2021, 08:45:18 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 18, 2021, 08:50:02 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 09:21:09 PM
It looks like a ground down spoon gouge. Do you hold it vertically and scrape with it?
Dave.
Just like using a flat chisel to shave, Parallel to the stave.
That could work Roy
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 18, 2021, 09:44:51 PM
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 10:51:58 PM
Post by: Pat B on February 18, 2021, 11:24:29 PM
I decided to shape the handle. I start with the lines marking out the center and outside of the 4" handle area. On the center line I draw a circle 1 1/4" in diameter and 2" out on either side of the center I draw a 7/8" circle. I then connect these circles with lines and out to the end of the fade at 1 1/2" wide. This outlines the handle.
(https://i.imgur.com/Cjx2gtz.jpg)
with a #49 Nicholson and farriers rasp I start shaping.
(https://i.imgur.com/SB7c0wN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GyWaAsr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZkJ2V9l.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5pDnLlj.jpg)
as I'm working on and around the handle area I keep adding these reference lines to keep me on track
(https://i.imgur.com/5A3vfKC.jpg)
more shaping all around the handle.
(https://i.imgur.com/ta8WkR5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/P9OaVdJ.jpg)
While shaping the handle and fades I decided to shorten the fades from 4" to 3" to get a little more working limb.
Here is the bow as it stands now. This bow was built symmetrical but this pic doesn't show that.
(https://i.imgur.com/UW9Hfie.jpg)
I made a new string for the bow and braced her for her first sweat. Sweating, like exercising helps to set the tiller. I kept her braced for an hour and when unbraced she still held 1" of reflex. I still haven't determined top or bottom limb. As I shoot the bow in she will tell me what's up! :thumbsup:
More to come...
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2021, 11:40:40 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 19, 2021, 03:44:44 AM
Post by: glenbo on February 19, 2021, 04:45:50 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 22, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rT5wLx8.jpg)
I cut out a strip on the bandsaw about 4" long and a little over 1" wide.
(https://i.imgur.com/NlEPEGt.jpg)
Then to the belt sander to make it a long oval
(https://i.imgur.com/dWBdNGr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/j5PXtaG.jpg)
then round the edges and over the back
(https://i.imgur.com/lv49Wca.jpg)
I make sure it fits. Doesn't have to be perfect now. More fine tuning later.
(https://i.imgur.com/BNrHMle.jpg)
now it time to glue it down with TBIII. I size the the flat side of the overlay and the back of the handle
(https://i.imgur.com/ZV5IsI1.jpg)
put the pieces together and hold them tight with strips of rubber bands until the glue dries. Usually a day or two. I also use rubber bands to hold tip overlays for glueing.
(https://i.imgur.com/3LTD56V.jpg)
to be continued...
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 22, 2021, 03:58:47 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 22, 2021, 04:10:14 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on February 22, 2021, 10:39:42 PM
For padding and insulating the grips on my two piece takedown bows I use craft foam from my fly tying kit.
Post by: Mad Max on March 02, 2021, 01:41:04 PM
It works really good for chasing a ring in concaved staves
https://mdiwoodcarvers.com/products/3-4-round-end-wide-format-fishtail-gouge
Post by: Pat B on March 02, 2021, 11:14:14 PM
I haven't done much with the bow lately. With my back going out a few weeks ago I didn't want to over do it. Also on Monday myself and a friend started a kitchen/bathroom remodel for a couple. We got to rip out all the plaster and lath in the kitchen of an almost 100 year old house, walls and ceiling. I'll be picking concrete buggers for a week. :laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on March 03, 2021, 07:25:58 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 03, 2021, 08:19:15 AM
Post by: Pat B on March 03, 2021, 06:31:37 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 03, 2021, 06:45:02 PM
So what weight are you shooting for on this bow?
It for you or someone else?
Looks like ya have a lot of wood to remove yet.
Post by: Pat B on March 03, 2021, 10:15:51 PM
We have a few days off waiting on subs so hopefully I can get more done this weekend.
Marcia and I celebrated our 43 anniversary today. :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on March 03, 2021, 11:25:43 PM
Happy Anniversary :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 04, 2021, 04:24:30 AM
43 years, she must like ya....
:thumbsup:
What's ya gonna shoot for arrows, cane or wood?
Post by: Buemaker on March 04, 2021, 05:46:35 AM
Post by: Pat B on March 04, 2021, 08:33:43 AM
I'm afraid if she saw what was under my beard she'd probably leave me. :laughing:
Post by: Pat B on April 29, 2021, 10:46:30 AM
Just so you don't think I'm fibbing I added a pic...
(https://i.imgur.com/fAfyFJp.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 29, 2021, 07:30:39 PM
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Post by: Doug in MN on May 01, 2021, 03:20:39 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 02, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
Well, you're not gonna believe this :o...but I finished tillering yesterday and have started adding the Tru Oil finish. While Mark is out of town I thought I'd copy his rattan handle so don't tell him :saywhat: and I'm gonna use a floppy rest. The bow was coming out a little light so I piked it about 2". She's now 62" N/N and 64" T/T and pulls about 43#@26" and shoots pretty good. Not gonna add tip overlays, just gonna keep her pretty simple.
Just so you don't think I'm fibbing I added a pic...
(https://i.imgur.com/fAfyFJp.jpg)
Can't wait to see it all finished :thumbsup: :jumper:
Post by: Pat B on May 02, 2021, 06:28:01 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 02, 2021, 10:49:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oeEkh7J.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 03, 2021, 07:20:01 AM
Post by: Flem on May 03, 2021, 08:50:14 AM
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
Just sprayed the bow. Will have more pics with a full draw later.
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 03, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 03, 2021, 01:34:43 PM
Post by: bigbob2 on May 03, 2021, 09:42:29 PM
Post by: Walt Francis on May 03, 2021, 09:54:21 PM
Post by: Ken Sorg on May 03, 2021, 10:41:15 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 03, 2021, 10:49:25 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 07, 2021, 10:16:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Qy0sHW1.jpg)
unbraced after shooting a dozen or so arrows
(https://i.imgur.com/8ZuJaFZ.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/YPDo6tA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FJCGTKS.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/zsvoKpi.jpg?1)
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 07, 2021, 10:22:53 AM
Very nice, Pat.
Post by: Pat B on May 07, 2021, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 07, 2021, 10:36:29 AM
I'm planning on making some BBO bows with flat sawn billets.
I think they would be sharp as heck..
Post by: Mad Max on May 07, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
Post by: Pat B on May 07, 2021, 11:46:45 AM
Was the Classic a classic?
Post by: Mad Max on May 07, 2021, 01:01:04 PM
Thanks, Mark.
Was the Classic a classic?
It was a good one
Post by: Pat B on May 07, 2021, 07:38:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gmrSTu6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/khJVQ5F.jpg)
Post by: Walt Francis on May 07, 2021, 07:47:02 PM
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Post by: Mad Max on May 07, 2021, 08:40:39 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 07, 2021, 10:23:32 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on May 07, 2021, 11:35:32 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 08, 2021, 04:20:37 AM
I have an osage stave Mark sent me and your build here will help me with it.
I've only ever done 2 stave bow builds.
Post by: Ken Sorg on May 08, 2021, 06:00:32 AM
Post by: Pat B on May 08, 2021, 08:05:40 AM
Roy, any help I can give all you gotta do is ask. Looking forward to your build. Do you have one of Eric's tiller Gizmos?
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 08, 2021, 08:23:39 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 08, 2021, 09:13:57 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 08, 2021, 09:42:58 AM
I'm red-green color blind and chasing rings is tuff for me for some reason.
It's a little snaky, not much and you already have some lines drawn on it.
I could head out to Bowjunkies with it, he's very good at self bows.
It's next inline to be worked on, had to make 3 tries for the swap bow and have another for a buddy almost done.
Post by: Mad Max on May 08, 2021, 12:08:01 PM
It doesn't look bad you cleaned it up some, maybe a little scraping and it should be good.
I'm red-green color blind and chasing rings is tuff for me for some reason.
It's a little snaky, not much and you already have some lines drawn on it.
I could head out to Bowjunkies with it, he's very good at self bows.
It's next inline to be worked on, had to make 3 tries for the swap bow and have another for a buddy almost done.
If I started laying out the bow, it should be good unless it got a ding on it in shipping :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 08, 2021, 12:23:53 PM
Post by: Buemaker on May 08, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
Post by: Pat B on May 09, 2021, 12:34:21 PM