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Title: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on October 30, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
I decided to start a separate topic with my 3 piece recurve prototype.

I put a string on after gluing tips overlays. I decided starting with a first set of string groove for a 61” bow. Hoping to add grooves further out on the curve later.
The bottom limb was twisting to the right.
So I started filling the left side of this limb and the tip groove on the right side. It did improve things but the limb is still not tracking correctly. Now it got me doubting myself.
Is this the right way to correct the twist or do you guys have a better way to do it?

Thanks,
Sam
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on October 30, 2020, 03:42:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y1FPzYs.jpg)
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on October 30, 2020, 03:54:31 PM
With the string off I lay mine on the work table, mark with a pencil around the riser, measure up from the table to the centerline of the tip, flip it end to end and line up the riser to the pencil marks  and check again.

I have some 5/16" dowels if you need them :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on October 30, 2020, 08:12:20 PM
With all that hook in it the string needs to be DEAD center.
Start the belly grove shallow and measure 10 or 15 times as you file it in. I use a 1/8" file first, then chainsaw file.
Looks  off center close to the nock, that could be the problem. :thumbsup:

(https://i.imgur.com/LRu8fKP.jpg)
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 30, 2020, 08:53:41 PM
Leave your tips wide starting out. I have had best luck by deepening grooves to get tracking good then  even things up by narrowing the tips to the target width. Use stablecore also. and no more than .001 forward taper. Even no taper and work side profile if the tips are too stiff..
Never had much luck sanding the strong side. And side to side lam grind needs to be dead nuts on.
I dont file any belly grooves until I get the string landing dead center every time I shoot it during the tiller process. Be sure you string is not binding giving a false reading to.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Buemaker on October 31, 2020, 10:01:23 AM
Bill Howland said that before filing string groves he would shoot the bow several times with a light weight arrow and adjust if necessary  until string was dead center and all was good.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 31, 2020, 10:22:00 AM
Perzacly what Bue said   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: jess stuart on October 31, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
Tillering blocks can assure you find the true center of your limb.  I find I fewer alignment issues since I have started using them.  Stabilcore and less forward taper and wider limbs are all good ideas.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Shredd on October 31, 2020, 12:04:27 PM
Looking forward to see her at 28" draw and what her speed is...
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 31, 2020, 05:19:23 PM
Bue, how did he keep a string on it?

Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Buemaker on October 31, 2020, 07:12:34 PM
Roy. I guess my English is not correct, but with string groove I mean the one on the belly side of the recurve that the string rests in. The other ones I call nock grooves.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 31, 2020, 08:38:45 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Recurveaholic77 on November 01, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
From what I see I agree with mad max looks like near the tip is off center!! Hope you get this worked out cause it looks like its gonna be an awesome bow when finished!! I had the same issue with a Ben Pearson Hunter that I have and it took me awhile to get the confidence up enough to do it but once I did it has been fine!!
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on November 02, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
So I spent some time looking at this over the weekend and I think I messed up something while drawing the centerline. Next time I will flip the bow and check on the other side like Max said.
Now I have to glue up a new limb before this project can move forward.

Thanks all for comments and tips!
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Shredd on November 02, 2020, 06:59:03 PM
Before you make another limb...  You may want to try moving one of the limb holes over to straighten out the limb...  That way you can check how it bends and shoots before you move on...  If you don't like these limbs you could tweak and make a whole new pair...  Otherwise you are putting more effort into something that you may not be happy with...
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on November 02, 2020, 07:12:39 PM
So I spent some time looking at this over the weekend and I think I messed up something while drawing the centerline. Next time I will flip the bow and check on the other side like Max said.
Now I have to glue up a new limb before this project can move forward.

Thanks all for comments and tips!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: jess stuart on November 03, 2020, 12:01:35 AM
What if you filled the alignment pin hole and drilled it again after slightly moving it over to hopefully correct the misalignment.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on November 03, 2020, 09:46:02 AM
What if you filled the alignment pin hole and drilled it again after slightly moving it over to hopefully correct the misalignment.


The thing is my alignment issue is really in the curve section and not in the first 2/3 of the limb. So the hook is actually not square  with the rest of the limb.
So I don’t see how moving the pin hole can help me with this.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on November 06, 2020, 02:37:33 PM
Glued up a new limb last night
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on November 06, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
 :jumper:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 06, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
Sam, didn't happen wifout pichers:)
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on November 06, 2020, 05:56:16 PM
 :biglaugh:

It’s just another glue up. Like flem I am not going to film the glue up process! I only take pictures once it’s all done:

Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 06, 2020, 05:58:22 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on November 06, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
It's almost like watching glue dry :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on November 19, 2020, 06:05:33 PM
Sorry no update on this prototype lately.
I was away for a few days last week and somehow contracted Covid. Luckily I am the only person sick in my family, but down side is I have been quarantining in the bedroom for the past 5 days. I only have mild symptoms so I feel pretty lucky, I can keep working from home. I am mostly just feeling tired and my brain is slow(er!).
Probably not going to be back in the shop before end of next week at the earliest.
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 19, 2020, 06:52:10 PM
Damn, wishing you a speedy recovery Sam.
 :pray:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on November 19, 2020, 06:59:50 PM
14 days you will be good as new, and immune :thumbsup:

A good many people in my little community have had it with no issues. ;)
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: ztontonz on January 17, 2021, 07:55:13 PM
Hi all,

Finally made some progress on this prototype today. Year end work took all my free time and I must say I took my time before going back at it this month.

My big question was how to align a new limb on the riser. I found the solution in the kitchen:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Mad Max on January 17, 2021, 08:47:39 PM
good to see your back in the bow shop :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recurve prototype
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 17, 2021, 09:49:33 PM
Go ahead and get yourself a long bubble level and clamp it on the riser. then line the limbs
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