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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: recurvericky on August 26, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
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So, I have a drum style dust collect were the motor basically sits on any type of barrel. I have used this is the past with the inlet connected to my bandsaw and a filter bag on the outlet. This cuts way down on the suction. Since I have built a new shop and am able to have all of my wood working tools in one area, I would like to connect it to everything. I have the piping ran to the tools, but my question is, if I run a pipe through my shop wall, how do I prevent most of the dust from being blow outside and not collected in the barrel? I know someone will say why do I care if the dust is blown outside? Well I just to not want all that dust on everything around the shop. Any help would be appreciated.
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I use a barrel style also. Sounds like your filter bag is restricting the flow too much. I don't have any problem with a 15" planer or my drum sander. I'm been using this filter bag for about 15yrs now
https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/shakerfeltpolyestermicronfilterbag20x32.aspx.
How big is your exhaust port?
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Not sure on the exhaust port size. I will have to check tomorrow.
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I have one of these
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-1-HP-Wall-Hanging-Dust-Collector/G0710
The cloth bag needs to be dumped and turned inside out and shake (like a whip)the dust out of the weave.
sometimes it only has 6/8" of FINE dust in it, and it works much better after.
And I wash it in the washing machine every now and then.
Hope that helps.
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I run mine through a barrel cyclone type cleaner with the exhaust going outside. I previously used a one micron filter but it clogged pretty quick. Much prefer this set up.
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Oh, I thought this thread was about Roy. :laughing:
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PAT, yer bucking for top spot on the thumpin list:)
Get yourself a dust deputy.
99.9% of the saw dust goes into the bucket.
They work wonderful.
https://youtu.be/u3Qkn8oPq5Q
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I wonder if the dust deputy would work with this some kind of way, 4" hose
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-1-HP-Wall-Hanging-Dust-Collector/G0710
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Mark are you using the stock filter bag that came with the Grizzly unit?
I ask because I saw it's a 30 micron, which is not a lot of filtration, but would be fine for Ricky's requirements if it was being blown to the outside.
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I wonder if the dust deputy would work with this some kind of way, 4" hose
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-1-HP-Wall-Hanging-Dust-Collector/G0710
You would attach the collection hose from the tool to the inlet side of the dust deputy (sitting on a bucket or bin), then run a hose from the outlet of the DD to the intake side of the dust collector fan/impeller. Your dust collector motor/fan unit just takes the place of the shop vac in the video shown.
Mark
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I'm going to get this one, Super Dust Deputy 4" Cyclone
Flem I also have this
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Hanging-Air-Filter-w-Remote/G0572
I could get this too.
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Canister-Filter-for-G0710-and-G0710P/T10877
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I made a cyclone for my 2hp Dust collector from a 30 gallon Galvanized trash can. I cut 2 holes in the lid for the 4 inch pipe elbows and fittings. I used 4 inch sewer pipes for the 4 drops with blast gates and a foam rubber seal for the trash can lid. Grounded all the pipes with copper ground wire and brass wire brackets and screws. I guess 95-99% of the dust ends up in the Cyclone so the Bag filter never sees most of the dust. The cyclone sits on a concrete pad between shop and collector, The 2hp collector is in a plastic building outside of the shop so any fine dust particles that may pass thru the bag filter are contained in the little 4'x6' plastic shed.
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dust from fiberglass and woodshops, is such a critical factor in our own personal health.
personally, i would buy the very best that money can buy. JMO! :thumbsup:
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Thanks for all the info. I think I have decided on using a cyclone in my system then vent outside.
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OK, I ordered the dust deputy 4" ;)
Tell me about grounding the pipe, my hose has the wire in it, just ground that to the metal part of the blower.
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You guys are getting smart:)
Well not so sure about Maxi Boy..
:thumbsup:
But trust me, the dust deputy is the only way to go.
You will be amazed at how little dust ends up in your shop vac, if you use one.
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Are those Dust Deputy's designed to be used with anything other than a shop vac and 5gallon bucket?, because Ricky has a 2 stage collector with the motor mounted on the barrel. I'm thinking that little cyclone unit will get overwhelmed by the volume of air pulled thru his impeller. Shop vacs are big on air velocity, not so much on air volume.
I was looking at add on cyclone's, seems there are 100's different of homemade units. If you are handy, you might save $100. and design/build something to fit your specific requirements.
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They sell several different sizes, some are huge.
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OK, I ordered the dust deputy 4" ;)
Tell me about grounding the pipe, my hose has the wire in it, just ground that to the metal part of the blower.
I did mine kind of like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtkHzmXe4ZA
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Are those Dust Deputy's designed to be used with anything other than a shop vac and 5gallon bucket?, because Ricky has a 2 stage collector with the motor mounted on the barrel. I'm thinking that little cyclone unit will get overwhelmed by the volume of air pulled thru his impeller. Shop vacs are big on air velocity, not so much on air volume.
I was looking at add on cyclone's, seems there are 100's different of homemade units. If you are handy, you might save $100. and design/build something to fit your specific requirements.
Yeah I ordered the bigger one with a 4" inlet and outlet
Thanks robert :thumbsup:
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I got the 2 HP Harbor Frieght blower with the 4 in. Onida dust deputy. Blow outside with no filter. Hardly anything goes outside. Ya still dont get evreything in the system though. :dunno:
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I got the 2 HP Harbor Frieght blower with the 4 in. Onida dust deputy. Blow outside with no filter. Hardly anything goes outside. Ya still dont get evreything in the system though. :dunno:
Stic, I got the Super Dust Deputy 4" Deluxe Cyclone with 30 gallon tub, I can hook it up in about 15 min. to my
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-1-HP-Wall-Hanging-Dust-Collector/G0710
There is no wall close enough to do it without a hassle, If it catches 95% I will be good :thumbsup:
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My setup.
(https://i.imgur.com/KiRqlij.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7wspne3.jpg)
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Looks good :thumbsup:
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Got mine hooked up, Thanks guy's for the tips ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/aNq5o2u.jpg)
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Hey RR,
i did heaps and heaps of research when we were getting our shop setup with a proper dust collector.
looking at all the stats, the bag and/or drum type filters just did not cut it.
the filter bags let the fine dust escape, they were purported to have incredible cfm movement( tested in labs etc!), until actually put on a real system, and not one worked well.
Extensive Research revealed a guy called Bill Pentz, who put excessive amounts of time into researching and designing cyclonic extractor's.
he sold/ gave the manufacturing rights for his designs to a company called Clear Vue. We ended up purchasing their biggest unit, and it has proven to be one of the best investments we ever made.
on Bills website, he offers free plans and kits and parts for his units,
but we just bought from Clear Vue.
no more dust, the drum catches everything, and they have a full range of sizes. from a dust deputy size right up to a 5hp unit.
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What fujiboy said above.
Those bag dust collectors suck.
The cyclone collectors are the bestest out there..
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Need to remember that the cyclones are dust/particle separators, not filters. You still need to have a good filter on the exhaust side of the unit. Lots of real world tests have been performed on dust collecting units and its worth reading all the available info.
https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/dust-collection/dust-collectors/clear-vue-cv1800-cyclone
You don't want to be the old guy toting an oxygen tank on his electric scooter
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More reason to run it thru the wall to outside. On mine if you keep the drum emptied hardly anything gets outside tho.
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I also have an air cleaner in the ceiling that filters the dust but there isn't hardly any dust to filter after the cyclone and shop vac are done.
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I have most of my system in place, except for the gates. My system runs into the larger dust deputy, which sets on a barrel, then goes into the barrel top vacuum. I left the cloth filter on it and the system was extremely loud. I then removed the filter and vented it outside. What difference in noise level. Only problem now is I am down for 3 months with shoulder surgery.
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Still got one good arm, get to work!
Just kidding, that sucks about the surgery. Hope it goes/went well.
Just wait till the physical terrorists get a hold of you :scared:
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What did ya have done, Ricky?
I tore a rotator cuff clear off.
That was a hurting sob...
Was back to shooting in 3 months.
Hope ya heal up well.
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Got a flu shot last December that was given way too high and went into the top of the bicep tendon. Had immediate pain that never went away. That caused the tendon to eventually detach.
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Ouch...
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Holy crap! Never heard of anything like that. I can only imagine the pain from that. I think I just turned into an anti-vaxxer.