Trad Gang

Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: hunting badger on August 13, 2020, 03:07:38 PM

Title: Bow Lettering
Post by: hunting badger on August 13, 2020, 03:07:38 PM
Let's see some examples of how you guys letter your bows and what you use for lettering
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Mad Max on August 13, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
X2 one what he said :thumbsup:
My pin tips that you dip in ink don't work worth a cra$ :dunno:
Need the name brand of what you use?

Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 13, 2020, 11:36:06 PM
So I've tried just about everything and they all look like crap plus my handwriting is awful. I even purchased a professional drawing pen called an rapidograph which turned out to be a nightmare to use and I spent about 75 bucks on it, the ink and the cleaner for it. I tried the calligraphy style pen but just can't get used to them. Finally I've settled on a pen a found on Amazon called a neopiko paint pen. It works the best for me and doesn't run when I hit it with finish. It's still not great but better than the others.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 13, 2020, 11:40:35 PM
This is with the neopiko pen.
 [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 14, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
Calligraphy pen (extra fine nib) and archival white acrylic ink, I put a couple coats of true oil over the lettering to lock it in place. If you goof up you can wipe the lettering off with a wet paper towel and start over.

The other picture is the same ink on osage several years down the road.


Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 14, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
I wish I could write like that. That looks great Eric.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Mad Max on August 14, 2020, 09:58:30 AM
I have 3 pins with all the nibs.
I try to use the FINE nibs, but they dump alot of ink or not enough, whats up with that???
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 14, 2020, 10:02:53 AM
I have 3 pins with all the nibs.
I try to use the FINE nibs, but they dump alot of ink or not enough, whats up with that???
Same here. Or I write about two letters and it stops writing and then when I get more ink it's a pain to get it started again.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: mmattockx on August 14, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nPtZonJ.jpg)

I used an archival ink pen, can't recall the brand. I can go look in my shop the next time I am out there if it matters. The finish is Helmsman spar varnish. I put 2 coats on, then marked it and put the third coat over the markings. It took a bit of coaxing to get it to write on the hard surface but got there in the end.


Mark
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 14, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
What I do is dip the pen in water first and draw a water line on a piece of cardboard to get things flowing. Next I put a drop of ink on the bottom side of the nib and go back to the card board and make a bold line. I draw a couple of straight lines on the card board pulling the pen toward me until the line thins out to what I want. I go to my bow, press the nib point to the bow to make a dot to get thing flowing and work off that dot to make the first word.

 I can usually do the entire inscription with one load of ink,  if the pen starts skipping I wipe that line off and start my pen loading process over starting with the drop of ink on the bottom of the nib and making lines on cardboard. I prefer the cardboard back of a legal pad for my test lines.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Flem on August 14, 2020, 02:55:27 PM
I've been using these pens. I don't have the skills to use nibs, bad handwriting :tongue:


I really like the Uni- ball pen on the bottom, it's as close as I can get to the India ink look. I prime it, sort of like what Eric does. Ink choice might also depend on the finish used. Certain inks/pigments don't stand up to catalyzed finishes. Archival ink is good under any finish and stands up to UV.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 14, 2020, 03:28:21 PM
Flem does that white pen at the bottom hold up against Krystal finish?
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Mad Max on August 14, 2020, 04:28:52 PM


 I can usually do the entire inscription with one load of ink,  if the pen starts skipping I wipe that line off and start my pen loading process over starting with the drop of ink on the bottom of the nib and making lines on cardboard. I prefer the cardboard back of a legal pad for my test lines.

Im using Indian Ink, you can't wipe it off while you are doing it :dunno:
most of it come off but no all, I have to sand it and start over

Are you using water based ink??
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Shredd on August 14, 2020, 04:45:45 PM
I use the same pens Flem uses...  Micron 01 and 08...  Depending where I am writing...  I hit it lightly with the heat gun to make sure it is good and dry before I apply the finish...
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Bow Bender on August 14, 2020, 05:42:45 PM
I use India Ink. It is permanent and doesn't bleed when the finish is applied. They come in different size tips and colors. If they make a white ink I don't have it but I like the gold and silver inks. I I apply at least one coat of finish before I do the writing.  I get them in the calligraphy section at the local craft store.  My lettering skills aren't that great either. It has been a while since I posted pictures. Hope it works
  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Bvas on August 14, 2020, 06:56:15 PM
I wish I knew what Bear used back in the day to get those super fine gold lines.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 14, 2020, 07:13:44 PM
My ink is water based acrylic.

Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Mad Max on August 14, 2020, 07:44:22 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: bjansen on August 14, 2020, 10:22:59 PM
I started using One shot lettering paint.  I’ve tried all kinds of other stuff and really like this one shot paint the best
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: bigbob2 on August 14, 2020, 11:46:37 PM
I use a pen called Uni Posca . It comes in gold white and black that I know of. Just basically use it same way as one would a pen or pencil. Finish doesn't bother it at all.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 15, 2020, 09:40:20 PM
Where you get them bigbob
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Bow Bender on August 16, 2020, 01:47:12 PM
Stic, I did a google search for the Uni-posca pens and they are readily available through Amazon, DickBlick and others.

 Here's one example.
https://www.amazon.com/Uni-posca-Paint-Marker-Pen-PC-1M12C/dp/B001VB4T86
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: bigbob2 on August 17, 2020, 02:28:08 AM
time difference means a delay in answering, sorry. I get mine from office works or similar. Newsagents too might stock them. Very easy to use. I just lay down one coat of finish and then apply lettering  followed by remaining coats.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Pat B on August 17, 2020, 09:24:49 AM
I use Tru-Oil on my bows and find some inks, specifically Sharpies, don't work well over it so after a coat or 2 of Tru-Oil I spray the area to be written on with satin poly, write the info and add more coats of Tru-Oil over that.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Flem on August 17, 2020, 09:47:21 AM
Hey Robert, sorry I did not see your question sooner. The Uni-Ball does work with conversion varnish and 2K auto clears, as do the Microns. The Uni-Ball also comes in gold, silver and some other cool colors.
The thing to do is get yourself a few different brands and tip sizes, then experiment to see which suits you best. But if you have the skills like Eric, nothing looks as good as India ink and a nib.

The One Shot letter paint that Brad uses is indeed good stuff, but be careful if you use it. It use to contain lead, don't know if it still does. I know it contains heavy metal driers and  a variety of nasty solvents. Stuff lasts a long time, even exposed to the elements!
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 17, 2020, 10:03:49 PM
Thanks Flem, I ordered a pack of the uni-ball pens  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: hunting badger on August 19, 2020, 01:35:25 PM
Thanks for the suggestions and the replies! Mine never seems to look good, I wish I had good hand writing like Eric!!
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 20, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
A surprising number of my lettering jobs are do overs, sometimes 3 or 4 do overs. I did practice to get the flow and spacing early on. After lettering a couple hundred bows one gets the hang of it, even then I have good days and bad days. The pictures are the ones I did on a good day.
Title: Re: Bow Lettering
Post by: Mad Max on August 20, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
I have bad days only
I think I’m trying to hard
My normal writing is ok, I think I just need to write