Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 13, 2020, 01:55:47 PM
Post by: MGH on August 13, 2020, 02:22:05 PM
Post by: Orion on August 13, 2020, 03:40:40 PM
Of course, what you're proposing will also work. Will just have to work harder pulling the arrow of the ground after it goes through the critter. :goldtooth:
Post by: Friend on August 13, 2020, 04:32:30 PM
Post by: BowMIke on August 13, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 13, 2020, 04:55:40 PM
Post by: Etter on August 13, 2020, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: arrow30 on August 13, 2020, 05:44:29 PM
penetration difference. :archer2: i know they whop my target pretty good. :goldtooth:
Post by: MnFn on August 13, 2020, 06:57:43 PM
This year I might use a 2117 with a 180 grain head for about 580 grains out of a 50# recurve.
Post by: Sam McMichael on August 13, 2020, 07:22:18 PM
Post by: Pine on August 13, 2020, 07:26:38 PM
Post by: Bluefeather on August 13, 2020, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: Tedd on August 13, 2020, 09:08:10 PM
Everyone is different, depending on draw length and weight, head style and bow tune. Only shoot as much weight as you need to get pass throughs. Any remaining energy can go into a little arrow speed. The deer has to be still in the same county when the arrow arrives.
I'm shooting 60lb@30" and that is about what most of my bows have been. I've been from 525-700 grains of arrow weight. Cedar, alum and carbon. No penetration problem with any of them. Penetration will be more of a factor to consider at lower draw weights and shorter draw lengths.
For me I don't see any gains in penetration past 600 grains of arrow weight for whitetails. (10gpp @30" draw) But...I want my bow quiet so I work down to lower weights until I feel I my bow needs to be quieter then work back up to heavier arrow weights. For that reason I am usually around 625-650 grains.
I do think I noticed that when my set up included heavier arrows and one of the slower bow models I have used that deer would move more before being struck. I had a few in a row that weren't hit where the arrow was headed for upon release. I'm not the greatest shot but I do think that deer were jumping the string on me the last few years with one of the longbows I was using with 700 grain arrows. This season will see a new recurve and slightly lighter weight arrow. It seems much faster.
Tedd
Post by: Wudstix on August 13, 2020, 09:42:03 PM
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Post by: newhouse114 on August 14, 2020, 01:10:22 AM
Post by: Burly on August 14, 2020, 11:39:39 PM
I'm trying out 30" carbon express 150 Heritages with either 200 gr. Three blade VPA or I have 315 Tuff heads also or 195 Swamp Sharks. I can still cut some off the arrow to stiffen it up if I have to.
Post by: frassettor on August 15, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
Always shot “heavy “ arrows, always will. I personally don’t shoot 30-40 yards so it does not matter to me. My shots are 19/20 yards at the most. After so many years of shooting that weight, my mind has become so used to the trajectory that I don’t even notice it.
Post by: Howitser on August 15, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
Post by: Friend on August 15, 2020, 04:32:12 PM
Post by: Fletcher on August 15, 2020, 10:01:14 PM
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 16, 2020, 11:04:26 AM
I'm shootin' 2215s with Zwicky's. It's a 550 grn19% FOC projectile out of a #45 recurve. The pics shows the far side leg joint, otherwise it would be another easy pass thru. The Zwicky just needed a touch-up and it was back in the quiverThat's a gnarly pic :thumbsup:
Post by: Matt Kilgore on August 16, 2020, 07:55:51 PM
Post by: Russ Clagett on August 17, 2020, 01:42:47 PM
Last year I had a pass through on a bull elk that was so fast and clean at first I thought I might have missed...till I saw all that blood spraying out as he ran...
Post by: Wheels2 on August 18, 2020, 04:17:36 PM
I am running a XX75 2216 at 535 grains from.a 48" Morrison ILF rig.
Post by: Herdbull on August 18, 2020, 05:39:39 PM
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Post by: Wudstix on August 18, 2020, 07:23:35 PM
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Post by: Burly on August 18, 2020, 09:45:38 PM
Post by: JAH518 on August 18, 2020, 10:42:41 PM
Post by: Wudstix on August 19, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
:coffee: :campfire: :thumbsup:
Post by: YosemiteSam on August 20, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 20, 2020, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: Roger9070 on August 21, 2020, 12:33:08 PM
So far both heads are performing very well but the Centaur has really surprised me I thought for such a big head it would be hard to control but it flies great and makes zero noise. I'm going to keep shooting both and I will probably know for sure which will make first string in a week or two. I will keep you posted! :archer2:
Thanks,
Roger
Post by: gordydog on August 23, 2020, 08:55:21 AM
Post by: Roger9070 on August 23, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
Thanks,
Roger
Post by: Basinboy on August 26, 2020, 11:27:28 AM
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Post by: F. Dobbs on August 27, 2020, 07:30:06 AM
Post by: Rock 'N Bow on August 27, 2020, 10:49:08 AM
Post by: Warchild on August 27, 2020, 11:14:25 AM
Post by: Steelhead on August 27, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
I shot 2020s and 2018s when I shot heavier bows
Post by: A Lex on August 28, 2020, 11:04:06 PM
We are not allowed to bowhunt here in the State I live in, except rabbits and hares, and with Covid travel restrictions still in place, I still cannot travel to other States where I can bowhunt :banghead:
But go heavy if you want to, it just plain works. I've never chased the FOC thing, but I love well tuned heavy arrows and sharp broadheads. At the ranges I choose to slip the string, I'll take gains in penetration over gains in speed or flatter trajectory any day.
I run wooden arrows and longbows, have for a lot of years, 850 plus grains in a 75lb bow, 700 odd grains in a 65lb bow, and 650'ish grains in a 55lb bow.
No one will dis-agree that a classic broadside hit through the lungs of a deer is a deadly hit, and a lighter arrow will get that done well, all day, but it's when you might not get that perfect hit that the extra weight/penetration shows its real worth.
While rifle hunting, I've seen our Fallow Deer here (pretty similar to your Whitetail I believe) standing still, feeding perfectly broadside at 80 odd yards, simply turn just as the rifle (a 7x57) went off and instead of the bullet taking the deer just behind the shoulder, it took it just in front of the back leg. Came out just in behind ot the off side shoulder and the deer was recovered not far off.
My point in this? I know deer don't always co-operate and offer perfect broadside shots. I'm not suggesting anyone take risky shots, I will not take a low persentage shot, but even with a high persentage shot, if things do go a tad pear shaped, and sometimes they can, and the hit ends up not as good as initially intended, I know my heavy arrow is going to penetrate very well indeed. And that greater penetration can (and has for me) made all the difference between a short or a long recovery. I want a set-up that will work well even if things don't go quite as planned.
Plan for the worst, expect the best.....
Long winded again, sorry.
I'll be using heavy arrows next hunt, you can bet on it.
Best
Lex
Post by: Wudstix on August 29, 2020, 07:35:49 PM
My Red Balau will be 960-985 depending on what length works.
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Post by: A Lex on August 29, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
I really like my "Rat tail" Red Balau shafts too. My "light" arrows for my 75lb'er are around 865 grains, havent actually weighed the Red Balau arrows for my 65lb'er. Must do that.....
From memory, you're shooting yours from 60 to 70lb bows? In my experience, the trajectory out to 20-25 yards will be fine, although they do start to fall away some after 25
I know we don't need that sort of weight or penetration on a Whitetail (or a Fallow), but I'd much rather to be looking at great penetration than wishing I had had more of it.
Best
Lex
Post by: Wudstix on August 29, 2020, 10:01:50 PM
:coffee: :campfire: :thumbsup:
Post by: JDunlap on August 31, 2020, 11:47:54 PM
Post by: A Lex on September 01, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Full 23/64 to 5/16 rat tail taper,
29" von to bop
Classic Index Nock
4x 5" Parabolic feathers
190 grain broadhead
Total weight is 880 odd grains.
Bow sure is quiet.
Best
Lex
Post by: Wudstix on September 02, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
I’ll know for certain when I get the RB made up. After further calculation 950-960 is probably closer to arrow weight, 22 grains per inch on shaft so trimming there is possible. Like to get closer to 900 grain arrow.
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Post by: MattfromVT on September 03, 2020, 11:54:10 AM
Post by: Paul Fithian on September 04, 2020, 03:01:40 PM
I shot one deer with my longbow last year with this arrow, complete pass through double lung. I've been practicing with this setup for the past 6 months, I'm ready!
Post by: Wudstix on September 04, 2020, 03:26:59 PM
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Post by: Longbowwally on September 04, 2020, 07:43:12 PM