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Title: Insert removal
Post by: zinndl on April 18, 2008, 11:41:00 PM
How can I get inserts out of carbon arrows when they have been super glued in? Would heating them work and not damage the arrow?
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Bowspirit on April 18, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
I'm sure someone will come along to describe the method of knocking them out with a piece of metal rod far better than I ever could...
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Str8Shooter on April 19, 2008, 01:08:00 AM
If they have been superglued in it is possible to heat them out but you have to be very careful. You never, ever want to apply direct heat or flame to carbons. It will cause them to become extremely brittle and can be unsafe.

You can screw a field tip into the arrow and slowly heat that. The heat will transfer to the insert area through the threaded portion and then carefully try to work it free. Don't overheat it or you can wreck the shaft.

Keep in mind this may not work everytime. I've had some work out very easily and some not at all. I've also wrecked a few shafts.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: joe skipp on April 19, 2008, 02:10:00 AM
Ditto above response. Heat the point up well and slowly turn the point in the opposite direction so it doesn't unscrew. The insert should come out easily. Never apply direct heat to any carbon shaft.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: LEOPARD on April 19, 2008, 04:31:00 AM
Yeah, I would go for the heating method mentioned above.
I tried the method of knocking the insert out with a drill bit or metal rod, and landed up just wrecking the arrow from the pressure of the drill bit hitting the insert. It didn't budge the insert at all and just messed the arrow up, so I really wouldn't recommend using that method.
As mentioned above, be careful not to overheat the arrow.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: foudarme on April 19, 2008, 06:37:00 AM
screw a very long field point (like a 250gr) and put only it on your coocking fire...in less than a minute you will heard a soft pshhhhh and will smell a stinky smoke appearing..pull off the point with a grip and the insert will come with it, then put both the insert and shaft in a glass of water to refresh it and that's all...
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Fallguy on April 19, 2008, 08:41:00 AM
I have gotten a bolt I put into my electric soldering iron the threads into the end of the insert. Just turn the soldering iron and you heat the insert from the inside out. I have used it to pull points that have been glued with Gorilla glue with no problems.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 19, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
I agree with the field point method but donot twist it to get it out. If the shaft is even slightly hot ya will twist it as well, pull straight out. Shawn
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Ken999 on April 19, 2008, 09:45:00 PM
Get a 1' peice of 3/16" rod from the hardware store. Pull your nock, put the rod in and snap it like you were casting a fishing rod...the steel rod will pound the insert right out.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: sunshine on April 19, 2008, 09:58:00 PM
i agree with the above method with heating the field point and pulling straight out, do not twist. twisting can cause the carbon inside to spirl out. when insert is out and clear of arrow i immediately dunk tip of arrow in water to remove any heat.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Stripstrike1 on April 19, 2008, 10:44:00 PM
Kenn999 has the answer...I got it here from Tradgang and it works like a charm...much better than the heat.  I used a drill bit that fit inside my CX250 shaft.  I got inserts out that were glued in with epoxy.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Ken999 on April 20, 2008, 09:17:00 AM
yup...read about that method right here a week or two ago...very timely I might add as I needed to swap out the inserts in my GT's for the 100 gr. brass.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Charlie Cole on April 20, 2008, 01:29:00 PM
I'm with Ken on this one. Not that I've had a whole lot of experience, but I did do a dozen that I was changing from the aluminum to the brass inserts.

I'll be darned if I'm going to get a very imprecise  source of high heat near my expensive carbon shafting (especially when the resin bonding the carbon fibers is heat-sensitive). So I went and got a 3 foot section of 3/16 smooth steel rod and wrapped the ends with electrical tape so I wouldn't gouge the inside of the shaft.

I just pop inserts out like seating a blackpowder ball. usually just takes a couple taps, and no need to worry that I'll fling a steel rod or drillbit into my wife's china cabinet trying to use centrifugal force.

-Charlie
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: zinndl on April 21, 2008, 10:13:00 PM
I tried the drill bit method and it worked like a charm; a couple swings and it came right out...like a 22 bullet out of a rifle   :eek:  
Good thing I was in the basement; next time when they are about half way out I'll pull'em the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Bowferd on April 23, 2008, 11:24:00 PM
I stuck mine in a pot of boiling water for about 30 seconds, pulled them out and screwed in a thread tool. Twist and a pull and out they came. No problems yet, but suspect that I may get some feedback on this method.
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: joe vt on April 24, 2008, 12:27:00 PM
cool idea about the 1' rod.

i kinda laughed because i can see myself doing it not quite hard enough several times....then really snap it, and shoot that rod clear across the room. lol   :eek:
Title: Re: Insert removal
Post by: Charlie Cole on April 26, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
I'm telling you, THREE foot rod- it'll save your drywall and maybe your marriage.

And no, I'm not telling the story. You can probably imagine a better one, anyway.

-Charlie