Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Pine on May 24, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
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This is very rough for me.
I have shot a bow and arrow sense 1962 and as of a couple years ago I started hunting where I could recover using my tractor.
I have been having trouble drawing my bow (45#) which I had dropped down from 60# just 4 years ago.
I can handle the weight but the tendon in my drawing hand is to the point where I can hardly reach full draw let alone settle in.
Just today, I ordered a triger style release aid with a disk hand stop.
I cant use a wrist drawn type but this is a flexible tube with a disk and all the pressure is on the back of my fist (fleshy part by my pinky.)
I hope it works and it should because I can make a fist and hammer on something without and discomfort.
If I can no longer draw a bow I'm going to call it quits.
Guess I have become a winning crybaby. :dunno:
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No, your not a whining crybaby!!!! It sucks when we have setbacks, especially ones that can potentially end something we love doing!!!! I hope the release works for you, and wish you the best of luck!!!!!!
Bisch
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Wishing all the best for you, Dale. Hope that your solution works out well. All the best with your situation, chin up.
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You didn't mention which tendon is giving you the problem, but if it's in you fingers, would it be possible to just start shooting left-handed (or righty)?
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It's in both hands.
Mostly the middle fingers.
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I guess the thought that came to mind as I read this. Other than feeling for your situation and hoping something works out for you, is this.- You never really resign from such sports, can always change focus to sharing your knowledge and experience with others. Thats a valuable contribution! And in the end if you cant comfortably shoot a trad bow, then there are other great ways to participate in hunting- Black powder comes to mind. As long as you are out there enjoying yourself.
Best wishes.
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I don't know what to say to my friend... I'm hopeful you can find a solution. If not you can be my full time mentor.. sounds selfish but I could use a trad dad.
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I hope you are able to continue and find comfort in your pursuit of game.
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I’ve been interested in the history of archery for a long time, and have studied it strictly as an amateur for many years. There have been so many ways of drawing and shooting the bow over the years, and back before recorded history, that the only thing I can find that all branches of traditional archery have in common is holding the full weight of the bow at full draw. However you manage to get it there is probably something that has been tried before. Best of luck my traditional archery brother!
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Hi Dale... If you are having problems with the tendons in your fingers holding the string poundage. But you can still pull the trigger of a release aid. You can build a harness to fit on your elbow, so you can draw the poundage with your arm muscles and use your fingers to operate the release trigger. It is also a good way to make sure you are using your back muscles in the draw cycle.
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I understand completely. I started in 1980 shooting 80 pounds. Now my hunting bows are 40 pounds...but I shoot 35 or slightly under most everyday. I have to warm up to even shoot my 40's now. That's why I started drastically reducing weight on my old bows. Good luck.
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I can relate, fortunately my problem is in my left hand and I am right handed.
My solution it to start taking Ostio Biflex for your joints, this may or may not help with your problem. It doesn't work right away and has to build up in your system over the period of a month or so.
I have taken it for 30 years, every now and then over the years I decided it wasn't doing anything and would stopped taking it. Within a month of giving it up my left hand would be in constant pain and I couldn't close it with out severe pain in the tendon to my gig finger. Within a couple of weeks after resuming the stuff as a maintenance supplement all my pain would be gone and my hand function would return to normal.
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Also you might drop a little more bow weight if you have to, Good luck I hope it all works out.
Kurt
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What does the doctor say?
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I am a newbie here, a little over a year, but don't give up easily on a part of your life. I had to have reconstructive surgery on my left elbow 2 1/2 years ago. While fire wood wood cutting, a tree kicked back and I dove away from it and I tore the muscle completely loose at the inner elbow and it was repaired by re-attaching with a screw into the bone. The surgeon said it was like Tommy John but did not use tendons to reattach just the screw. I feel no pain it at this time and it is as far as I can tell good as new. If you can find a great surgeon it is amazing what can be done as a last resource. My injury was painful and therapy which I did at home was painful but now I have full use and extension of my arm. By the way I still split wood with a 6lb. maul and it does well.
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I’m a big fan of Osteo Byflex triple strength for my ankles and knees it works if you stick with it 2 tablets per day.
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It sounds like you have a Fletch-Hunter release, I played around with one and got very good results. First off you'll have to put a D loop on your string if you don't know how most any compound shooter should help you out. Second set the release at the lightest setting that will safely hold the arrow at full draw, the trigger will still be very hard. Practice with a blank bale until you can squeeze the trigger in a controled manner to produce a accurate shot. Good Luck.
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What does the doctor say?
Yes, it's Dupuytren's Contracture.
I have been fighting it for over five years now and I have a wrist drawn release ( non mechanical nylon strap ) that I use once in a while.
That worked good because your shooting form doesn't change. The weight of the string is carried by your wrist and the tab is held locked on the string with your middle finger.
You come to full draw and anchor, then just drop the string just like shooting with fingers.
Trouble with that one, my wrist hurts for a few days after shooting.
And just a couple days ago, I got it out and I couldn't get to full draw and I would loose the string shooting at about half draw and it's a good thing my dog is trained to stay behind me when I shoot.
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Due to an injury 2.5 years ago I had to give up hunting weight bows. I can still shoot a 25# bow in 3D so at least I am still able to do something with traditional archery. You do what you have to; hopefully you will find a solution
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Funny thing, I just was sitting here wondering how hard it will be to re train myself to shoot instinctively with this release and my dad popped into my head.
In his fifties he had bursitis so bad in his drawing shoulder and he could not pull his bow with his shoulder up like normal.
Just to be funny while shooting with me he held his bow horizontally about waist high and drew back to his belt buckle.
He shot a couple times and within a few minutes, he was keeping every shot on a paper plate at 20 yards.
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Watch the Wilheim brothers you tube videos, one of them shot from the waist as well with deadly accuracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np8u69YfSA8
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I've seen them. There shooting is amazing.
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Here's a picture of the release I'm getting.
They were very popular with competitive compound shooters in the early 1980s.
Found this one, new in the original package on the auction site.
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I would also recommend dropping more weight . Get you a good but reasonable priced ILF riser with some 35-40 lb limbs . You can adjust the weight around 5 lbs if needed which will put a lot less pressure on your draw hand . Mike Treadway of Treadway bows told me he killed a Elk with 40 lbs .
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Pine, your last post reminds me of a video of the Wilhelm brothers. One of them anchored around his belly button, and would shot a cigarette out of his brothers mouth! Sorry about your tendon problem.
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Pine, did you already purchase the release? If not I have one that you could have.
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Yeah, I already ordered it.
But thank you for your generous offer.
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Father time will beat us all. There's no getting around it unless you die young.
Only you know what accommodations you are willing to accept to stay in the game as long as you can.
And what others think shouldn't enter into it.
Sounds like you've been pushing and struggling with it for a while. Hate to see you let it go if there is a way to play on.
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If I’m not wrong that release is no good. There’s no real sear. It kinda cams over and causes punching. You can’t shoot it any other way. You touch it, it’ll start it’s break and you can’t get set. Not sure how I can describe it but I bet there’s better options.
Good luck to you, don’t give up
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My buddy Jerry Russell shoots with a compound style wrist release. Think he started doing that to deal with target panic but it obviously works. Hes a slaughterer
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I’ve been thinking of trying one of the leather thumb tabs because of a problem with pain from drawing. Don’t know if that would work for your problem or not but you can look them up. Three rivers does sell one.
Hope you find something that works for you.
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Due to an injury 2.5 years ago I had to give up hunting weight bows. I can still shoot a 25# bow in 3D so at least I am still able to do something with traditional archery. You do what you have to; hopefully you will find a solution
dbd870 Kinda sums up my journey with archery. Only my issue was an odd form of arthritis & nerve damage in both shoulders. Had surgeries Pt etc... that was 14 years ago. I now shoot an inexpensive 25# recurve. But only on good days.
I may someday have to just go for walks with an unstrung bow if it comes to that.
Good luck with your experiment. Im rooting for you. :thumbsup: —Bob D.
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However this works out I wish you the best. I hope you don't have to give up archery.
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I wish only the best outcome for you my friend.
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Praying for you Dale.
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Glad you still can shoot one Bob D. Hopefully the day when we can’t shoot one at all is still a long way away
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I saw a 1 arm guy shoot with a mouth tab. Don't give up. You can find a method that works for you. I now am 65 and certainly understand how things change.
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Check out the talon thumb tab. No shame in doing what you got to do to keep shooting.
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Wishing you the best on this Dale Also great news your still trying!
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I too met a wounded warrior who shot an 85# compound with one arm and a mouth tab. Big boy! Hunted with a ghillie suit.
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I am sorry, Pine, and I hope the release helps you. Jawge
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I didn't read any other posts, just wondering if you have tried to shoot with your teeth?
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Got the release today.
It's a little fumble fingered at first but I finally figured it out.
It's going to work, the trigger is set perfect right out of the box. It takes enough pressure to let me feel it but just a little squeeze and its it's off.
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After about 10 to 15 minutes I was able to do this at ten yards.
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Moved outdoors to my archery range and was shooting at 20 yards and I noticed that the arrow is porpoising slightly so I'm going to have to change my nocking point.
Don't know how this is going to work for hunting.
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Keep at it, adapt and overcome!!!
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It's not easy to switch because I have shot split finger for 57 years.
I tried to gap with this gizmo but I have never been able to shoot worth a hill of beans that way so I just started shooting with it and let my brain get it on target.
I'm thinking if I shoot a couple days a week, I might get it dialed in.
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I think you are correct, you will likely adapt pretty quickly. If you find it's still not cutting it, give me a shout. I have an alternative idea.
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Grouping looks good @ 10 yards. I'm sure it will work out for you just keep at it!
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This is really not easy.
I cant get the "FEEL" of the shot. It's like I'm just learning to shoot for the first time.
At least I'm keeping all the arrow on the backstop at 20 yards, but by no means hunting accuracy.
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That's awesome!
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It’ll come.
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Looks like you are getting it! Just curious, what if any difference is there in noise level with the release.
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:laughing:
Well you would have to ask someone that can hear.
I will say there's less bow movement in the hand.
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OK, just took my wife outside and had her stand next to me.
I shot two shots with fingers and two shots with the release.
She could hear no difference.
This lady can hear an ant walking on carpet.
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This lady can hear an ant walking on carpet.
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PM sent
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I would consider a cross bow. I’d rather see you out in the woods hunting with whatever than not see ya outdoors. Just my opinion. Get a Excalibur at least it has no wheels :) either way good luck and I dread the day myself as it will happen to all of us at some point.
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I would consider a cross bow. I’d rather see you out in the woods hunting with whatever than not see ya outdoors. Just my opinion. Get a Excalibur at least it has no wheels :) either way good luck and I dread the day myself as it will happen to all of us at some point.
I agree with this. Better to be in the woods with what you can shoot, than nothing at all!
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In a sense, you are learning to shoot all over again, because the routine is so different. However, you are keeping them on the target face. That is a good basis on which to build a strong skill set. As you practice, the group will shrink, and hunting accuracy will be achievable, just as it did in the beginning of your archery journey. Hang tough.
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Draw, Focus, Anchor, Release, Follow Through, Repeat
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