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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Petrichor on December 07, 2019, 06:06:19 PM
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Got out an old friend today 1970 bear tigercat 50lbs 58". I have many customs but I had a set of arrows that needed tuning and I though this bow might fit. Boy was I right.... such a good shooting bow. Who's taking or took an old bear in the woods this year and what are you taking? I'll be taking this one to the hog hunt this January along with my lefty cardiac arrest.
I have thought more than once of selling all the customs and just having a few old bears. Let's see some pics. This bow is special. I hand picked it when I visited RMS gear in person. I went there to buy a kmag. This bow was right behind it and grabbed it for comparison. Glad I did. Left the kmag on the shelf.
As you can see from the pics. Everytime I get a bow down the phrase "I wanna shoo" echos throughout the house, as three of four kids want to shoot (four is a baby). Even the two year old can shoot his little pup unassisted. To quote one of my favorite books " So long as the new moon returns in heaven a bent beautiful bow, so long will the fascination of archery keep hold of the hearts of men."
My house is proof of this.
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Have a '55 Grizzly static that I like to hunt with from time to time.
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Have a '55 Grizzly static that I like to hunt with from time to time.
Nice! Any pics? Been awhile bout time we had a bear thread.
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Here’s a ‘59, a ‘60’s dogleg and 1 from the ‘70’s, all Kodiaks
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Dave, you already know my thoughts but I'll humor you with an answer...Heck yeah!
This year was the first I hunted with my old K-Mag, past few seasons all involved my old Grizzly! I've also got a K-Hunter but the 60" length is a little longer than I prefer for a ground blind.
Love those old Bears...there is a lot of mystique, magic and mojo in shooting bows with unknown history, some nearly as old as me!
My most recent bow purchase is a 1964 Tamerlane. As I hold it I wonder if it was being built in November of '63 when the country was electrified by the assassination of John F. Kennedy...my '69 Tamerlane...was it being build when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon? How many hunting stories would my Grizzly and Kodiaks tell if they could talk?
Something about old bows, and especially old Bears, that calls to me. :archer2:
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I took my 59’ Kodiak out for a sit Friday night but the wind kept the deer from moving I believe.
Tim B
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Always wanted a 59. Probably my fav grip.
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I’m in!
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‘59 Bear Alaskan.
I’ve posted here about the bow and my first deer taken with it.
My Dad bought it when I was a baby.
Page from the’59 Bear catalogue.
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First deer ever taken with it, at the age of 59 (both of us).
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Maybe someone can tell me about this Grizzly
47# serial number 7R11192
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Picked it up this Fall along with another 46# 6P3094
I assume 66 and 67 by first #
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I always start the season with my 1969 Kodiak Hunter that dad gave me as a welcome home gift from Viet Nam
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McDave that dogleg is awesome!
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McDave that dogleg is awesome!
Yes it is! For me it is the best shooter of the bunch.
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havnt had it in the woods this year ..yet. but it does its job when it gets the opprotunity .
>>>--- 56"- 69' grizzly- 53@28--->
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My primary hunting bow this fall was a 1956 Kodiak, 59# at my draw. I shoot lefty and righty and actually switched sides one morning when a doe came from a different direction than I expected, but I ended up letting her pass...fawn in tow. Here's a trail cam pic that caught me walking in one morning with the Kodiak.
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My primary hunting bow this fall was a 1956 Kodiak, 59# at my draw. I shoot lefty and righty and actually switched sides one morning when a doe came from a different direction than I expected, but I ended up letting her pass...fawn in tow. Here's a trail cam pic that caught me walking in one morning with the Kodiak.
Good looking bows yall keep them coming. Kirk. Pic of your tamerlanes needs to make it on this thread.
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LEFT: 1964 Tamerlane, 42@ 28. 69" AMO
RIGHT: 1969 Tamerlane HC-300, 35#@ 28. 69" AMO
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HC-300 on the 3D range.
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TOP: Kodiak Magnum, 45@28 52" AMO
BOTTOM: Kodiak Hunter, 45@28 60" AMO
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'71 Grizzly, 45@28, 58"AMO
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Yeah, it does OK at 25 yards.
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I had an old Bear Grizzly that was a very good shooting bow. I shot a small buck on the last day of our early bow season with it. I followed the flight of that arrow like it was in slow motion right behind the shoulder of that buck. He went 30 yards and went down in plain sight. It was a magical moment and I think Fred helped guide that arrow home.
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This thread makes me happy.
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1972 Victor Viking
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Beauty Roy. Despite having 5 or so customs. Bear is my go to right now...used to feel bad about leaving customs home. No reason to feel bad when shooting well no matter the bow. Keep these old bears coming.
I must say. Im pretty bewitched by the tigercat I must say.... Cant believe the model didnt stick around. I suppose it was too similar to the popular grizzly.
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That's gorgeous, Roy! Are you shooting off the shelf or Bear brush rest?
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Dave, Bear made a whole slew of bows that didn't get the recognition they deserved; Tigercat, Alaskan, Bearcat, and a bunch of others including that Victor of Roy's.
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I have a late 50s- early 60s Bear Kodiak Hunter C-handle (I think that's the date, never looked it up). It belonged to my Uncle Roy and when he wasn't able to hunt any longer he gave it to me. He hunted with it for 30 years and I have been hunting with it on and off for another 30 or so. It is certainly not a museum piece but all the wear and tear is from honest use in the field. It still shoots great! You can see it in the far right in a place of honor on the rack.
Keith
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Wow
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Keith, you're making me look bad with only 7 bows...can I show that pic to my wife and say, "See, hon...this is what MOST guys have..." :bigsmyl:
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My primary hunting bow this fall was a 1956 Kodiak, 59# at my draw. I shoot lefty and righty and actually switched sides one morning when a doe came from a different direction than I expected, but I ended up letting her pass...fawn in tow. Here's a trail cam pic that caught me walking in one morning with the Kodiak.
OK, am I not the only one that sees the huge buck watching Mangonboat walking along in the pic? :knothead:
I also have a 59 Alaskan and a 70's something Grizzly that I took deer with.
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You are welcome to use that photo to get yourself in as much trouble as you would like!
Might as well add... "And he says there are more takedowns on a shelf in the closet".
Keith
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I have javelina tags in NM and AZ in January, and will be using a '71 Kodiak Hunter. A few months ago I dragged out several bows, including a few newer/pricier ones, and had a shootoff to decide which one to use for my javelina hunts.
Was impressed at how well the Kodiak shoots for me. When younger I could not afford a Bear bow, which I considered the holy grail at the time. They haven't lost their appeal.
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Duncan, good eye!
I’ve got an old #42 Bear Polar. Not sure what year it is or it’s history at all. In fact, I’ve never shot it. It was left to be by my dad, who “inherited” it from his best friend a couple of years before. When I was a kid the three of us all leased a big farm to hunt. It’s where I killed my first deer and learned most everything I know about hunting. Spent the best years of my life there on that plot of ground. Now my dad and his buddy are gone, and the landowner is too.
Oh yeah, back to bows...gotta love those old Bears! Think I’ll pull the Polar out after hunting season and see what it’ll do.
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Duncan, good eye!
I’ve got an old #42 Bear Polar. Not sure what year it is or it’s history at all. In fact, I’ve never shot it. It was left to be by my dad, who “inherited” it from his best friend a couple of years before. When I was a kid the three of us all leased a big farm to hunt. It’s where I killed my first deer and learned most everything I know about hunting. Spent the best years of my life there on that plot of ground. Now my dad and his buddy are gone, and the landowner is too.
Oh yeah, back to bows...gotta love those old Bears! Think I’ll pull the Polar out after hunting season and see what it’ll do.
Let us know how she does!
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That bow above and here below came stock with the plunger button and a flipper magnetic rest.
I believed they called the plunger a Burger Button back then..
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That bow above and here below came stock with the plunger button and a flipper magnetic rest.
I believed they called the plunger a Burger Button back then..
Really nice, Roy! Great looking riser!
There's something to be said for owning and shooting a bow that is more than half a century old. You can't help wondering who owned it, what trophies it has taken, and how many lives it has touched. It's also a real eye opener when you realize these bows have not only outlived Fred Bear and Nels Grumley, but also the Grayling factory and very likely the majority of the people who worked there who built them.
It humbling, to say the least.
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That bow above and here below came stock with the plunger button and a flipper magnetic rest.
I believed they called the plunger a Burger Button back then..
Really nice, Roy! Great looking riser!
There's something to be said for owning and shooting a bow that is more than half a century old. You can't help wondering who owned it, what trophies it has taken, and how many lives it has touched. It's also a real eye opener when you realize these bows have not only outlived Fred Bear and Nels Grumley, but also the Grayling factory and very likely the majority of the people who worked there who built them.
It humbling, to say the least.
Great point kirk. My bow is about to turn 50. Kinda crazy my bow is far older than me
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There is something Mystical to hunt with a vintage Bear is like sharing your hunt with unknown Bowhunters of the past. Plus they are as good as any customs and they are so smooth and quiet.
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There is something Mystical to hunt with a vintage Bear is like sharing your hunt with unknown Bowhunters of the past. Plus they are as good as any customs and they are so smooth and quiet.
Literally quietest bow I have.
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A year or so ago I bought a bear grizzly in very good condition 50lbs, around 1970 model or so give a few years, at a used outdoor store for $50 bucks. I was just out there yesterday and bought a used bear bearcat 35lbs bow 1971 model for @35 bucks, it was in ok condition, just needs a new clear coat. Not the bear top end bows but both shoot nice and are fun. I just keep my eyes open for more bows my wife can complain about! :biglaugh:
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I bought that Bear takedown new in 1972:)
She has put a lot of deer on the ground, her first deer was in 1973......
https://youtu.be/O3apvrel1yo
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I bought that Bear takedown new in 1972:)
She has put a lot of deer on the ground...
Absolutely beautiful. How has take down system held up over years?
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My '69 50# Tigercat that I usually hunt with. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/9df37a6e8e91bda2c5c1cad028266bfe.jpg)
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My '69 50# Tigercat that I usually hunt with. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/9df37a6e8e91bda2c5c1cad028266bfe.jpg)
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Another beautiful tigercat
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I've never had a problem with the bow.
Latches still work like new.
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When I was a kid I would look at the Bears hanging in the rack at the local sporting goods store and look forward to the day I was strong enough to hunt with one. They weren’t just bows, they were works of art. My dad ended up giving me a beautiful Been Pearson “Hunter” for my birthday in 1975 (also a beautiful bow) but the old Bears have always been special. Someday I’ll find one with multiple different woods in the riser pulling ~ 50#’s and I’ll buy it.
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When I was a kid I would look at the Bears hanging in the rack at the local sporting goods store and look forward to the day I was strong enough to hunt with one. They weren’t just bows, they were works of art. My dad ended up giving me a beautiful Been Pearson “Hunter” for my birthday in 1975 (also a beautiful bow) but the old Bears have always been special. Someday I’ll find one with multiple different woods in the riser pulling ~ 50#’s and I’ll buy it.
Although I dont date back to the 70s but my story is much the same. I dreamed of the day that I would get my first grizzly and it was all I hoped for. Then the custom bug bit me and I have been trending back to these beautiful and reliable bows. I like my customs but except for one do not hold the special place in my heart.
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Where can I find a listing of all of the different Bear models. I’d like to understand the different models offered and how they differed.
Thanks.
JDG
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http://www.vintagearchery.org/catalogs-by-year.html
Enjoy.
Was just looking at the bear 1970 catalog for my tiger cat and I found something interesting. It says the draw weight was at 28 inches from front of the shelf. I draw 26 from back of shelf good info to know for arrow ordering.
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It couldn't hurt, especially on a 50-year old bow, to scale it and see what it actually pulls today rather than just assuming its still " 50@28". It's wood, after all.
Dave, thanks for that link! I could get lost in there for days. :campfire:
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Nostalgia aside, how do the new Bears compare to the vintage ones in terms of performance? Their new ‘59 Grizzly looks really nice and the pro at the local shop (who shoots trad) speaks very highly of them.
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I like the new bears just fine.
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It couldn't hurt, especially on a 50-year old bow, to scale it and see what it actually pulls today rather than just assuming its still " 50@28". It's wood, after all.
Dave, thanks for that link! I could get lost in there for days. :campfire:
Me too Kirk.
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My '69 50# Tigercat that I usually hunt with. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/9df37a6e8e91bda2c5c1cad028266bfe.jpg)
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Looks just like the one that I still have. :thumbsup:
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I shot my deer this year with a 1975 B Mag riser takedown with 50# number 1 limbs, 1916 arrow and Bear Razorhead. They all performed great.
D.P.
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Kirk;
Thank you for posting a link to the old catalogues. It was exactly what I was looking for.
Best,
Jay
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Upgraded the strike plate on my bear today. Love the vintage look of this plate.
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When I was younger, I loved the Bear recurves, but never had the money to buy many bows. I had a Ben Pearson, and it was about all I could afford. Later, money was a bit more plentiful, but by then I was hooked on Hill bows. Therefore, I have only wound up with 4 Bear bows. I have 2 Black Bear recurves, a Bear Super Magnum (which I hi-jacked from my son), and a Royal Safari that I won in a raffle. I like 'em, but I'll stay with the Hill styles.
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Ive had some bad luck with old bows, mostly from moving around and drying them out. Im pretty good with wood and old guitars, as far as storage and even repair. Whats the ideal moisture and temperature to store bows at? Do you store them in a special hydrated closet or something in a dry climate?
The pictures and stories about old bows were great, just wishing I still had some the ones that passed through my hands over the years, a couple were left in a hunting camp in Alaska.
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I am down to 1. A Super Mag 45@28 One of the black ones which I think I bought off someone on TG a number of years ago. I had a Super Kodiak same vintage same black color that was 50@28 but in a flight of stupidity I traded it in for one of those newfangled wheel things many years ago..... Bad decision. I loved that SK bow.
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Here is the one I'm bowhunting with this year. It's a 1972 factory camouflaged Bear Super Kodiak. I'm shooting cedar arrows off of it.
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http://www.vintagearchery.org/catalogs-by-year.html
Enjoy.
Was just looking at the bear 1970 catalog for my tiger cat and I found something interesting. It says the draw weight was at 28 inches from front of the shelf. I draw 26 from back of shelf good info to know for arrow ordering.
The-Crow
Thanks for sharing that site!!! Now I know the Bear Kodiak Magnum that I picked up Friday is very likely a ‘72 model!
Also interesting that they are scaled from the front of the shelf! Am I wrong in saying my 27.5” draw make this 45lbs bow scale more like a 47-48 pound bow from the back of the grip?
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My favorite is my 1984 factory camouflage Bear Kodiak Takedown, 60#@28".
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http://www.vintagearchery.org/catalogs-by-year.html
Enjoy.
Was just looking at the bear 1970 catalog for my tiger cat and I found something interesting. It says the draw weight was at 28 inches from front of the shelf. I draw 26 from back of shelf good info to know for arrow ordering.
The-Crow
Thanks for sharing that site!!! Now I know the Bear Kodiak Magnum that I picked up Friday is very likely a ‘72 model!
Also interesting that they are scaled from the front of the shelf! Am I wrong in saying my 27.5” draw make this 45lbs bow scale more like a 47-48 pound bow from the back of the grip?
Technically I would say yes it would likely be the heavier weight however theae bears are old and they may not have as much pull as they used to. It would be impossible to tell what you're actually pulling without putting it on a bowscale. But yes since they were originally measured from the front of shelf at 28 and you draw 27.5 from the rear technically you'd be drawing a couple more pounds. Though how much I dont know.
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My favorite is my 1984 factory camouflage Bear Kodiak Takedown, 60#@28".
That's amazing. Loving this thread.
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This is a great thread, I will get a couple more pics this week. My ‘66 grizzly and my new to me Kodiak Magnum..
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67 1/2 kodiak hunter 58 inch model.
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A dog leg grizzly that I wish I never got rid of.
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A dog leg grizzly that I wish I never got rid of.
That's a beauty
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Looking at the catalogues, I was surprised by how they used different wood every year for the Kodiak model.
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Ive had some bad luck with old bows, mostly from moving around and drying them out. Im pretty good with wood and old guitars, as far as storage and even repair. Whats the ideal moisture and temperature to store bows at? Do you store them in a special hydrated closet or something in a dry climate
I’m not an expert in this, by any means, but I have had good luck keeping my ’59 Kodiak indoors in my house in a room where I keep all my bows for many years. It never gets above about 80* in the summer, or cooler than maybe 58* in the winter. This thread made me want to take her out, dust her off, and fire a few arrows. Not a scratch or a crack in the finish on her. In the nearby garage, it gets up to 130* in the summer and is very dry, not Mojave desert dry, but dry. I’m sure it wouldn’t last a summer in there. The only thing I had to do was to replace the feather rest, which was falling apart.
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Thanks Petrichor!
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Kirk;
Thank you for posting a link to the old catalogues. It was exactly what I was looking for.
Best,
Jay
That was Dave (Petrichor) who provided the link. Big round of applause for it, too!
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Had the ol’59 our last night!
Tim B
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The oldest bow I have is a 1956 Bear Polar. I haven't shot it for a long time.
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Gotta a few...but most are getting too heavy for me now. I've resisted taking weight off my Bears but have no problem with my Hoyts and Wings...tippit
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Wow that signed take down is special. Quite the collection!
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Beautiful collection for sure!!! I love the bear Super Kodiak’s it’s my dream bow, my wife and I took a trip to Maine last fall there was one at the Kittery Trading Post shot it, loved it, really wanted it in a 50# not a 45# left without it... really not sure why.
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The Crow:
Should have bought it. Not that much difference between 45 and 50. At our shooting distances with good arrows and broadheads a pass through is easy. I have gone down in weight because of conditions and have not found the lower poundage to be restrictive.
Just sayin....
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This 1967 Grizzly was special because I took my first deer with it in 1969. I bought it new. The Bear Microflights were the second set of arrows I had for it, the first set was POC and all were lost or broken by 1969. I remember waiting at home during the time leading up to my first child's birth (Dr.s did that back then, sent you home to wait} and sharpening the 6 Bear Razorheads.
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This 1967 Grizzly was special because I took my first deer with it in 1969. I bought it new. The Bear Microflights were the second set of arrows I had for it, the first set was POC and all were lost or broken by 1969. I remember waiting at home during the time leading up to my first child's birth (Dr.s did that back then, sent you home to wait} and sharpening the 6 Bear Razorheads.
That's special you still hunt with it?
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I only own one Bear. A 67’ Kodiak Hunter gifted to me by my uncle in 2016. Used it that same year to take a dandy 6.5yr old buck.
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Are there professionals who refinish old Bear bows (or other vintage bows) and if so how does it effect the value (assuming the original decals and inscriptions are preserved?
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Kodiak Magnum I picked up this week 45# nice little shooter
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That's a beauty. What is it?
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Kodiak Magnum 1971 or 72 model not sure just yet
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Not a real old one but a rare finish one. My 1999 Bear Grizzly. 1999 was the only year Bear Archery made the Grizzly with the factory advantage camouflage. Plus it also has the Fred Bear bust ( Freddy Kruger ) coin that were on Bear bows from 1998 to 2003.
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67 1/2 kodiak hunter 58 inch model.
Homey, have one just like it. Great bow.
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Yes sir! They are!
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67 1/2 kodiak hunter 58 inch model.
Homey, have one just like it. Great bow.
I have the 60". Tack driver with the right arrows!
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I lik em. I've had quite a few over the years. Some I really liked and would have no issues hunting with. I've reduced my collection to 69 grizz, 60 kodiak and a 70s tiger cat for bow fishing. My wife has a 55 kodiak special.
This year I hunted exclusively with the 60 kodiak. Boy I like that bow.
I saw the big buck in the photo from the first page after it was mentioned. Funny pic.
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Just found this bill of sale for a 1960 Kodiak that I picked up...tippit
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That's really cool Jeff.
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I have more pics but my new phone takes too large photos and I have them resized as small as I can figure out. Still too big
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Almost forgot one. Vintage K4 hanging over the fireplace.
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Wow some real beauties here.
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Acquired my 43lb '61 bubinga risered Kodiak just for hunting when I came back to traditional some years back. It has the usual stress cracks but they were sealed well by a Bear collector. The riser has such fine interesting grain, it rivals any of my '62 Bears I've owned and is flat out good looking. Liked that it had the four arrow Bear screw-on quiver of its time and remembered how much I like the same quiver on my '62 K Mag I bought new when young. One fine bow.
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Anybody still hunting with their old Bear bows
Jason
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I only have 3 Bear bows. Two are Black Bears at low poundage, and one is 50# Kodiak Magnum. I swiped it from my son when he went off to college, and, somehow, it never made it back to him. Imagine that! I'm a longbow guy, and I shoot Hill style bows, so the recurves stay at home.
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My old early 70’s Bear Grizzly is still going strong. Im gonna try to put it back into service soon and show it a little love.
Thanks for the response guys
Jason
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Been shooting Bears since 1962 with my first being a new Kodiak Magnum and second being a new '63 Tamerlane. Two of the most beautiful recurve bows ever made and great performers too. Here it is 58+years later and six of my eight are still Bears. They ones that sit on the rack now days include a '59, '60, and '62 Kodiak Specials and a '61, '62, and 2013 Kodiaks. Don't need any custom since those I own shoot smooth, feel great in my hand, and are absolute works or art. They are certainly as good as the remakes or copies of them made by bow makers within the past 20 years. Plum proud to own them although some will have to go to other homes soon so when they plant me in the Fourty Four cemetery N of Bristow, OK someday, they won't have to make the hole too big to get my bows I have still left in there with me.
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Here's a few good'uns.
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Nice!
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I'm hunting whitetail with a Black Bear model. Love the bow. Best feeling grip I've come across and the grip means a LOT to my shooting. Great thread!
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OH Yeah.....my favorite vintage 59...
Tim B
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I have a '67 Grizzly, 2 '69 Grizzlys, 2 '70 Grizzlys, a '67 Tigercat, and a 70's Stag Hunter.
I've killed deer with all but the Tigercat, and Stag Hunter. I used to use one bow, until I killed a deer with it, Then change to another. That changed (for now?) 5 years ago when I got my Kodiak T/D. :archer:
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Anybody still hunting with their old Bear bows
Jason
Mostly just tree stand hunting :biglaugh:
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Chuck, did I sell you the stag hunter? I remember having one and remember selling it because I needed money for a elk hunting trip. For a plain bow it shot good
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Yup!!! I bought it when you boys all came down to hunt!! What a time we had!!!!!
Btw, It still does..... :thumbsup:
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Anybody still hunting with their old Bear bows
Jason
Mostly just tree stand hunting :biglaugh:
That’s a good’n!
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Had my grandpa's 64 Kodiak out today.
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That's a beautiful looking bow, Kyle!!! I'm sure your Grandpa's smiling!!
There's just something special about shooting a family heirloom :archer:
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I have been hunting with a 1965 Kodiak for probably 6 years and I have killed 6 or 7 deer with it. I also have a Grizzly that I am trying to get a “notch” on as well. The Kodiak I bought at an auction for $10.
I have a Kodiak Hunter as well as a Panda that I hope to give a shot to maybe next season. It’s fun to give these old bows another taste of the hunt!
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That's a beautiful looking bow, Kyle!!! I'm sure your Grandpa's smiling!!
There's just something special about shooting a family heirloom :archer:
I think that as excited as I get taking a deer with that bow he might get more excited. My first deer with that bow was a very similar deer and story as his so its pretty special for us.
Bowkill thats pretty cool deal for $10. I have a 73 Kodiak magnum, I remember when my grandpa found it at a garage sale, he called me asking if I had $5 and to not spend it. So he bought it and brought it home to me and I paid him the $5 for it lol.
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59 bear polar I just got hunt ready
Tim B
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Use'm if ya got'm!!! :archer: They were meant, to be bent!!!! :thumbsup: