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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: ron w on December 02, 2019, 01:42:37 PM
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Been playing with different risers and limbs to get a hunting bow that works for me. Who out there hunts with a ILF bow, what’s you favorite set up?
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Watching this one.
I'm interested as well.
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A CD WF19 with Dryad ACS RC limbs is quite nice
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A Stalker Apex 19" with Dryad RC limbs is quite nice
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Ron I just recently got my first one and have not hunted with it yet. I sure do like the way it shoots though. It's louder than I like a hunting bow to be, but maybe I can work that out.
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I just got this in and have been tuning it up since tuesday. hoping to hunt with it in 2020
its a Taow 19" ILF riser (hoyt Satori clone) and Trad Tech Black Max 2.0 limbs short 60#s. made up a string Tuesday, added paracord mantle string silencers, and tied on a nock. first five shots off the deck, two 10s two 8s and a 5. not bad.
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I did not this year, but did last year. I have a Black Wolf riser with a set of the Win Win foam cored limbs on it. Took a nice late season buck with it last year. Just decided to hunt longbow only this year.
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Im shooting two
A 21" satori with medium hoyt carbon trad limbs for a 64" bow
And a 19 inch morrison phoenix hdx with medium uukha ex1 evo2 for a 62 inch bow.
Both are phenomal shooters and my favorite ilf rigs so far.
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Thee Win Win Black Wolf with Tradtech RC Carbon wood limbs stick on cartel flipper with a cushon plunger works great for me.
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ILF for about the last 10 years. Longbow, recurve , super curves.. They shoot the same as any other bow with many choices for limbs. I'm Hunting with a 13" Phoenix Max6 SS limbs 40#@26", Doe and buck this year complete pass though. I have an other 13" Phoenix Max6, 2 13" wood setup with Max5 limbs. Too much fun..
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I have two warfed Bear Black Bear risers, both with Border medium Hex 6.5 limbs
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Keep them coming, I see metal risers seem to be dominant so far.....interesting.
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Ron, the small grip metal riser is one thing I really like. I only use a leather wrap takes care of being cold. Love my wood risers but they don't feel the same.
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Bob, I have a 14” and 15” wood/phenolic riser that you made, my wife shoot the 14”.
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Ron, for me, I already have a stack of wood bows, from simple selfbow to Widows & custom 3 piece take downs. I was interested in keeping the expenses down and let's just say that non of the lower tier wood ILFs are too pleasing to the eye.
Also my plan is to camo paint whatever setup I settle on....and I've wanted a Hoyt for quite some time. So this gives me the next best thing.
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Ron, her 14" is probably 13" before we really new how to measure them. Still learning.
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I'm shooting a JC Optimus 19" metal riser with 45# black max 2.0 limbs, set at approx 47-49lbs. I started with a black bear warf and then went to this set up. The 2.0's were a really inexpensive intro... and they shoot very nice and smooth, but will eventually, God willing, upgrade to the high end trad techs...or Dryads. I really like the ilf system because of its versatility.
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I used too, just like any other bow, just more tuning options! On the Dryad limbs I used, Limb Savers worked wonders
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do yourself a favor, try any super recurve, give it a month.. you will either love it or hate it..
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I had a set of Zipper Z4 limbs, I went to a club shoot and came home with the bow strung on the back seat of my truck. Got busy helping the wife with our moving sale, forgot my bow, 90 degree day, the limbs both hinged. I was sick over it. I did like the way they performed, but man that stuff is pricey.
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I had a set of Zipper Z4 limbs, I went to a club shoot and came home with the bow strung on the back seat of my truck. Got busy helping the wife with our moving sale, forgot my bow, 90 degree day, the limbs both hinged. I was sick over it. I did like the way they performed, but man that stuff is pricey.
Well that's one of the biggest reasons i love ILF for a hunting bow. If something were to ever go wrong, i can easily source replacement limbs and have them within days. Even if the same limbs are slightly off i can use the tiller bolts to tune the weight within fractions of a pound to match the originals.
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exactly Why I really like ILF.. I can get a limb, even if it isn't my 1st choice, I can be hunting and not going home early. You can get an ILF limb in about any city.
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Ive been hunting with ILF bows for the last few seasons
Morrison 13" with blackmax extremes
VPA riser with several different limbs
Morrison 17" with border hex 7 limbs
Favorite setup is the morrison 13 with extreme limbs. 58" [email protected] sooo good
Lots of fun, tune-ablitiy, and lots of options.
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you have to try the Max6 limb. If you draw 27 or less you can try mine.
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Bob
Most kind of you to offer...I draw nearly 29 though
Would love to try some of your max limbs sometime
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My SS will not work for you, A short or med will I'll check with Brandon tomorrow and see what he has in stock.
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Much appreciated Bob
Just watched some videos on your site about the max 6’s...wow!!!
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This was my first season hunting big game with a recurve, and had some success with the Satori, Trad Tech limbs (turkey), and Uukak Evo limbs (antelope/elk).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161966617_3c0736e46d_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hUgVU6)IMG_20191125_071331_252 (https://flic.kr/p/2hUgVU6) by Zach Even (https://www.flickr.com/photos/159273385@N07/), on Flickr
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Interesting that all length risers are in use, just shows that everybody likes different stuff. Keep it coming......
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I was going this way I thought, but then I thought about all the adjustments and I thought there would be slot of tinkering needed. I’m more of a grip it and rip it guy. Is there a lot of adjusting done on these ILF rigs? Can they get knocked out of whack and then they need mechanicing?
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I was going this way I thought, but then I thought about all the adjustments and I thought there would be slot of tinkering needed. I’m more of a grip it and rip it guy. Is there a lot of adjusting done on these ILF rigs? Can they get knocked out of whack and then they need mechanicing?
There can be if a guy is changing arrows/ limbs/ and tinkering with form etc...but my experience is...once a set of limbs are mounted, adjusted, tiller, brace and string are set...it’s just any other bow...I rarely mess with any adjustment on my ILF bows other than the rest (simple plastic threaded rod that acts as an adjustable side plate for tuning)...and I have never had one get “bumped” off.
It’s a good idea to check some of the adjustment screws from time to time to make sure they are not loose, but that’s really not any different than visual checks you make with any other bow...again, after a little locktite I’ve never had a screw come loose
The great thing I like about Morrison risers is that the plunger hole is right down on the shelf...I’m not an elevated rest guy, and this is great for me...I get to shoot off the shelf, but can still fine tune an arrow with a simple cheap plastic threaded side plate rod.
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Once set up to my liking I have never had one go out of adjustment, once tuned it’s just another T/D bow .
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I was going this way I thought, but then I thought about all the adjustments and I thought there would be slot of tinkering needed. I’m more of a grip it and rip it guy. Is there a lot of adjusting done on these ILF rigs? Can they get knocked out of whack and then they need mechanicing?
There can be if a guy is changing arrows/ limbs/ and tinkering with form etc...but my experience is...once a set of limbs are mounted, adjusted, tiller, brace and string are set...it’s just any other bow...I rarely mess with any adjustment on my ILF bows other than the rest (simple plastic threaded rod that acts as an adjustable side plate for tuning)...and I have never had one get “bumped” off.
It’s a good idea to check some of the adjustment screws from time to time to make sure they are not loose, but that’s really not any different than visual checks you make with any other bow...again, after a little locktite I’ve never had a screw come loose
The great thing I like about Morrison risers is that the plunger hole is right down on the shelf...I’m not an elevated rest guy, and this is great for me...I get to shoot off the shelf, but can still fine tune an arrow with a simple cheap plastic threaded side plate rod.
This is spot on. I've never once had a bow go out of adjustment after initial set up. Ive found pretty much all of my ILF rigs to be bombproof but i agree the morrisons are exceptional and my favorite risers.
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Thank you. I should have asked how tough is the initial set up. Thanks Guys
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Thank you. I should have asked how tough is the initial set up. Thanks Guys
Initial setup is simple
Mount limbs...string up...check/adjust so that the string is tracking down the center of the bow (simple Allen adjustment screws)
Adjust desired tiller (simple Allen adjustment of tiller bolts)
Start shooting...and adjust rest/tune arrow as normal.
One of those things where the first time seems tricky...but the second time is like no big deal
If you want to call me and discuss some of the nuances of these adjustments drop me a pm
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Been hunting ILF for last 4 years, love the versatility, Stalker 19" w/ Hoyt long carbon foam Quattros, 64" bow
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The really cool thing about ILF is you can build a bow for anyone. Bob Morrison has a short draw so he's got the 13" and short or extrashort limbs. I have a long draw so mine is a 19" with long limbs. Cool stuff and it goes together without tools in the field.
Mike
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Been shooting a 17" JC Optimus riser with a set of his medium carbon/foam limbs at about 44-45 at my 29". Shoot this rig significantly better than any other bow. Seriously thinking about going to a set of super curves for a little more performance although I'm pretty dang happy as is! LOL
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Using a 19” Satori with 50# Satori limbs - I’m still working on quieting it a little more but I did take deer with it this year. I’ve noticed no difference in the amount of tinkering required with any other traditional bow I’ve owned, in fact I just tightened both limbs down and tuned it up. I will say I shoot it better than any bow I’ve ever owned and that’s why it’s become my go-to and stuck around. I like the idea of wood and customs and all that but the bow flat out shoots so what can I say?
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I love ILF...acutally I love all bows...hate to discriminate. lol. I enjoy the versatility and ease of tuning. I have several metal and wood ILF risers, mostly 17" and 19" that I run with long limbs. I like the metal risers, because I can use a NAP center rest which is easy to tune and I use vanes with those arrows, which I also enjoy. I'm also a big fan of affordability. You can get some really nice ILF limbs for less than $200. Try getting a pair of proprietary limbs for less than $400, nearly impossible. I actually think that an ILF setup is ideal for new trad archers as well. They can pick up inexpensive limbs in a low weight to work on form and move up in weight inexpensively as they gain experience.
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I have a Morrison 17" riser that I pair with either medium 46# Max 6 limbs or medium 45# Border Hex 8h limbs.
I still also shoot my Border Covert Hunter with 50# medium Hex 9h limbs. I had the Border IL limbs sold so I bought the Covert Hunter. But as so often happens, the guy backed out. Now I have extra bows. Again/still.
My fault for trusting the guy.
I find that the ILF risers are nice in that you can find different grips. My only complaint with the Border Covert Hunter was the grip. It was a thick throat compared to IL grips. On this one Sid (Border Archer owner) thinned it down a bit for me. Much nicer now.
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If I might ad to the comments about adjustments....
I run even tiller with limb bolts down. That will change listed draw on limbs as usually the weight is for either 3 turns out from down full or two turns out. In the case of Borders or the Max 6, the draw weight changes little. I get 1 1/2# added for each with limb bolts down. I have found that limbs seem to shoot nicer or me with limb bolts in the whole way.
And although I have not found that bolts to back out during shooting or limb changes, there is a set screw that can be utilized. Just remember that it is a steel screw against steel threads. SO if you plan to use it I recommend a tiny piece of leather or lead shot under the set screw.
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I hope my questions haven’t side tracked this too much but I’m interested and you guys are helping a lot. My research has brought me to another point that kind of ties in with Ron’s original post, I’m reading that these can be loud especially with carbon limbs? Fact or folly? Thanks guys
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I hope my questions haven’t side tracked this too much but I’m interested and you guys are helping a lot. My research has brought me to another point that kind of ties in with Ron’s original post, I’m reading that these can be loud especially with carbon limbs? Fact or folly? Thanks guys
All my ILF setups have carbon in the limbs
If they are louder than a bolt down, it is negligible.
Have I owned quieter bows?...yes but again, not enough to care about IMO
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It depends in the limbs in my experience. Ive had some super loud limbs. Im currently running two sets of carbon limbs with the uukha's being quieter than some longbows ive owned
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The bear in my Avatar was killed with a Zipper ILF with Dyrad static recurve limbs. That set up is as quiet as any recurve bow I have owned or shot, D-97 string with wool puffs. I really liked the old static limbs from Dyrad.
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pardon my ignorance but what does ILF stand for?
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pardon my ignorance but what does ILF stand for?
International Limb Fitting.
It's a system designed to allow multiple brands of risers and limbs to all interchange as far as fitment goes...a sort of "mix and match", if you will. It allows you to use, say, Uukha limbs with a Morrison riser for example, to create a custom bow with the features you prefer.
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Kirk,
Thanks for the explanation! I appreciate the detailed response.
Paul
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Kirk,
Thanks for the explanation! I appreciate the detailed response.
Paul
Glad to help. I also should have mentioned that all ILF risers have uniform standard threaded mounting bushings for sights, rests, quivers, stabilizers, etc so that any brand of ILF-type equipment will mount to your riser. This applies to wood or composite risers as well as metal.
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Kirk,
Thanks for the explanation! I appreciate the detailed response.
Paul
Hey Paul, i see you're in NJ as well. If you ever are interested in an ILF rig shoot me a message and perhaps we can find a time and ill let you shoot mine
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I've hunted with an ILF set up the last two seasons and don't find them to be any more sensitive than any other of my bows. I treat them all as a hunting tool. Schlaggerman has used them for quite a few years with great success and is forever sold on them. As others have stated, it allows a person to "custom" build whatever they prefer in a bow.
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Julien, thanks for the offer on shooting your ILF. You are about a half an hour from me. Paul
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Thanks for all the input on this post :thumbsup:
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I’m glad you posted this Ron. It helped me out with some decision making. Thanks to you and everyone else.
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@Chain2 The Push and Trad Labs have been doing a bunch of silencer testing and the data they have now basically scientifically indicates that we (humans) aren't reliably capable of determining the loudness or quietness of bows.
My ILF setup is no louder 'to me' than my Widow SAIII or my other custom, but is quieter than my bear grizz (mostly due to the low mass weight of the bear). Right now I am running paracord mantle string silencers in my ILF and they work well (three 2" sections of the outer sheath of paracord tucked between string bundles top and bottom an shot til they fuzzed out.) I did one green, one black and one bright orange. in this pic you can see the one on the bottom against the 3d leg, but the top blends right into the leaves.
I've added I stabilizer to the setup too.
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Thanks. Those look good. My wife will tell people I can’t hear anything so maybe those guys have a valid point. Thanks again.
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huh? did you say something :biglaugh:
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What?
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I hunt Hoyt Satori 17" with med samick Extreme BF limbs and Dryad Epic 15" with Dryad Legend XL longbow limbs. Both are awesome setups.
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I am buying an ILF setup from another site. I'm looking forward to getting it out in the woods in short order.
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I'm hunting with a trad tech 19" Trident riser and win win blackmax wood core 45# med limbs. It all yields a very basic 62" recurve.
I haven't adjusted anything since I first set it up. I'm shooting even tiller and using a fixed crawl so it might make sense to experiment with a neg tiller but it's ok as is.
Aside from the ease of buying new limbs (if I ever needed them) I guess I don't really take much advantage of any ILF versatility.
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I do Ron. I still use the Morrison riser I got from you quite a while ago! I have medium length some foam core carbon limbs on it. Draws in the low to mid 40 pounds.
I recently got a Warfed Bear Kodiak riser, which is a Black Bear riser that has a camo coating. And I also just got a Warfed Black Bear riser. They are awesome.
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Made 4 pages, pretty good turn out :thumbsup: