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We don't have a large population of coyotes in NE IL, but they are here, nonetheless. The other day I heard two guys discussing jogging in a forest preserve; one mentioned that he had seen a coyote while jogging that had growled, bared it's teeth and acted aggressively toward him, and was wondering if he shouldn't jog there anymore as a result. The other guy told him that coyotes were basically afraid of humans (he used the phrase "cowards") and not to worry unless there was a large pack of them.
We have 'yotes in the PHL where I hunt, but from what I've seen, they avoid humans at all costs and don't appear at all aggressive. Wondering if any of you have had any experience with aggressive 'yotes, or if guy #1 was making up scary stories? :dunno:
(I'm assuming it wasn't rabid)
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I've never had them act aggressive towards me. I've seen quite a few and they always take off the other direction. I may have had a pack follow me out once at night but I'm not positive. They were howling and it seemed getting closer, but they might not have known I was even there. I shot one this morning that took one look at me and took off running in the other direction.
I wouldn't worry about them at all, except for maybe with pets and real small kids.
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Like Trenton, I have lived in coyote country all my life, and have never felt like one had any intention of attacking me. I don’t consider them to be cowards, and if I had one backed against a wall, I’m sure it would attack me if it saw no other option. When my dog Lupe was a young puppy border collie, it was not unusual to see a coyote tracking her as she would accompany me at our archery club, looking for lunch, no doubt, but as long as she was with me, the coyote would keep its distance. Now that she is close to being their size, they aren’t interested in her anymore. They become habituated to humans at places where they are protected, like Yosemite, and often approach people looking for handouts. I would never give a handout to a coyote in a million years, but other people do, and it is rare that you hear reports of anyone getting bitten. My first guess would be that the one that growled at your friend was sick, or else he misinterpreted what was happening.
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There have been cases of yotes attacking people and small children. I believe New York may have been one state.
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Happened near Dallas Texas as well last year.
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Ive had some circling me once in the snow, but no aggression.
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id say, that coyote was guarding a meal and the guy surprised him at close range.
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Where I’m from In addition to coyotes, we have wolves, moose, bear and jackwagons roaming our woods. Of all those the only ones to ever concern me are the wagons......
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Could it have been protecting a den? Depending on the time of year that seems like a likely cause. I know even birds get aggressive if they feel like their young are in danger.
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id say, that coyote was guarding a meal and the guy surprised him at close range.
My thought as well. Or as Kbob mentioned.
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Aggressive towards humans here, no. But there are numerous cases of coyotes dragging off small dogs while the dogs owner is walking them. Brazen yes, numerous times we have had 6-8 yotes walk down our street in midday like they own the place. The first time I saw this act of no fear I thought it was a fluke, not anymore.
I watched that YouTube video of a yote going after a small kid. That was in Villa Park, IL. and since I lived there as a kid it caught my attention. It wasn’t a clear video to me so I am wondering what took place away from that porch camera?
I would also want to note, those coyotes I have seen in pictures from the Midwest and East look to be a lot bigger than the ones around here. Can anyone confirm this? Also wonder how where did they come from? There wasn’t any back in the 1950’s - 1960’s when I was a kid.
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Its not real common but coyotes do attack people. This study covered 1960 - 2006 and attacks have increased since then.
Coyote Attacks on Humans in the US and Canada
Publication
Human Dimensions of Wildlife
Urban Coyote Research Project Author(s)
Stanley D. Gehrt, PhD
Additional authors
Lynsey A. White
Coyotes (Canis latrans) have expanded their range across much of North America and are now established in many metropolitan areas. Their presence in urban areas has often elicited concern from the public, although the actual risk that they pose to human populations is unclear. We conducted an analysis of coyote attacks on humans in the United States and Canada, including 142 reported incidents of coyote attacks resulting in 159 victims. Most attacks were classified as predatory (37%) or investigative (22%) in nature. The number of reported attacks was nearly equal between adults and children, although child victims were more (p < .001) prevalent in predatory attacks. Future coyote attacks could be reduced or prevented through modification of human behavior and public education designed to prevent the habituation of coyotes. A standardized reporting system for coyote attack incidents would be beneficial for further investigating characteristics of coyote attack incidents.
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I've had a pack, don't know how many-they always sound like more than they actually are, follow me out of the woods in the dark here in PA. Kind of unnerving but not really sure dangerous. However, I always carry a pistol when bow hunting just the same.
And yes, our Eastern 'yotes are quite a bit bigger.
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Animals are like humans in the respect that every once in a while you run into one that is just plain crazy enough to abandon "normal" behavior. Not beyond belief that occasionally a coyote will deviate from the normal behavior of fleeing and become aggressive.
Ohio law permits you to carry concealed when hunting, but the morons wrote into the law that you are forbidden to shoot a wild animal with it. Guess the geniuses in our state were so focused on legalizing high powered rifles since our population has increased exponentially since the days where you could only shoot a pumpkin ball.
Just another way to fine you if you would need to shoot a coyote with it--- course the coyote wouldn't tell...
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This guy showed some fierce aggression when he approached me a few years back, pretty sure this one was raised by people on a nearby farm, it acted just like a friendly dog, wagging its tail as it approached and started licking my fingers and face. As a reflect on this pic, I don't think it was the greatest of ideas to let it be that close to my jugular.
(https://i.imgur.com/9AlurPm.jpg)
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Aggressive towards humans here, no. But there are numerous cases of coyotes dragging off small dogs while the dogs owner is walking them. Brazen yes, numerous times we have had 6-8 yotes walk down our street in midday like they own the place. The first time I saw this act of no fear I thought it was a fluke, not anymore.
I watched that YouTube video of a yote going after a small kid. That was in Villa Park, IL. and since I lived there as a kid it caught my attention. It wasn’t a clear video to me so I am wondering what took place away from that porch camera?
I would also want to note, those coyotes I have seen in pictures from the Midwest and East look to be a lot bigger than the ones around here. Can anyone confirm this? Also wonder how where did they come from? There wasn’t any back in the 1950’s - 1960’s when I was a kid.
I'm not far from Villa Park, M60. Like you, I grew up here and have lived here all my life except for three years. Coyotes were unheard of up until maybe 10-15 years ago. Now they are becoming quite common and there are numerous reports of cats and small dogs vanishing out of fenced back yards. There is a fire station close to my house which borders up to a protected wetlands area, when the siren goes off you can here numerous 'yotes howling to beat the band. This is a very recent occurrence. My guess is they are encroaching suburbs because their natural habitat is being slowly urbanized out of existence. Plus, they breed like rabbits... :help:
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Occasionally, there are stories of coyote attacks, and I think that as they move into more populated areas there will be more of these reports. I have not run across a large number of them in the woods, but they always immediately ran away. I remember as far back as the 1960's hearing of coyotes being in NYC, so they have been close around for a very long time.
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They aren't moving into populated areas. Population growth and suburban sprawl is taking over their habitat. Some animals like whitetail, black bear and coyotes have adapted and are thriving around populated areas.
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Just for the record I shoot every one I can.
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They aren't moving into populated areas. Population growth and suburban sprawl is taking over their habitat.
That's kinda what I meant...only you said it better. :wavey:
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Its not real common but coyotes do attack people. This study covered 1960 - 2006 and attacks have increased since then.
Coyote Attacks on Humans in the US and Canada
Publication
Human Dimensions of Wildlife
Urban Coyote Research Project Author(s)
Stanley D. Gehrt, PhD
Additional authors
Lynsey A. White
Coyotes (Canis latrans) have expanded their range across much of North America and are now established in many metropolitan areas. Their presence in urban areas has often elicited concern from the public, although the actual risk that they pose to human populations is unclear. We conducted an analysis of coyote attacks on humans in the United States and Canada, including 142 reported incidents of coyote attacks resulting in 159 victims. Most attacks were classified as predatory (37%) or investigative (22%) in nature. The number of reported attacks was nearly equal between adults and children, although child victims were more (p < .001) prevalent in predatory attacks. Future coyote attacks could be reduced or prevented through modification of human behavior and public education designed to prevent the habituation of coyotes. A standardized reporting system for coyote attack incidents would be beneficial for further investigating characteristics of coyote attack incidents.
I've read that midwest coyotes are what they call Eastern Coyotes, which are some type of a cross between Coyotes (native to the west) and Canadian Timber Wolves, and are bigger. I've never killed one this big, but one was hit on the highway in front of the house a couple years ago that I guessed was 60 pounds. That's by far the biggest I ever saw.
I've had them follow me through timber while walking away from a stand after dark. I could see the eyes in my headlamp. Little eerie, but it didn't concern me. I'm sure (like anything else) the hungrier they get the more bold they may be.
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Hunger can be a strong motivator to aggressive behavior. I have never had a problem with 'yotes. I camp with a hammock and hunt hogs for up to four days at a stretch. Always sleep with my hunting knife handy.
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This guy showed some fierce aggression when he approached me a few years back, pretty sure this one was raised by people on a nearby farm, it acted just like a friendly dog, wagging its tail as it approached and started licking my fingers and face. As a reflect on this pic, I don't think it was the greatest of ideas to let it be that close to my jugular.
(https://i.imgur.com/9AlurPm.jpg)
that coyote was friendly because it finally saw someone with a fly rod,, had you had a spinning reel things would of been different .
but here a neighbors dog got attacked while he was walking it with a short leash the guy hunts too and should of known not to let them get too close to his pup but he knows now and carrys a semi-auto pellet pistol for dog walking in public,,, but a stinging BB in the A$$ thru my open window every now and then teaches them to stay in the woods and they do.... until hunting season then they get an arrow so I call it fair warning..
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Ted,
It was a catch and release fly fishing only stream so I guess he thought he was safe to come up to me!
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"Just for the record I shoot every one I can. "
Me too. The guys around my area will shoot one on sight. When everyone started seeing coyotes, we were seeing a lot less game too. :archer2:
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I'll take a run at any coyote I see no matter what weapon I've got available at the time.
It's nice that Michigan has year round season for them now. What they really need to do is put a bounty on them.
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Urban 'yotes have come to learn the people aren't a threat.
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While reading this, I recalled a CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) story that just may surprise most. Here's the link:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/coyotes-kill-toronto-singer-in-cape-breton-1.779304
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:campfire: :coffee: :archer2:
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They aren't moving into populated areas. Population growth and suburban sprawl is taking over their habitat.
That's kinda what I meant...only you said it better. :wavey:
I live within 500 yd of the courthouse..... And I hear them regularly around my neighborhood singing. They're not getting run out they are eating dogs and cats. Foxes too.
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Yeah but that's cause we move into their neighborhood.
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GCook, I think the encroachment goes both ways. They have moved into areas that for many, many years had not seen them. However, you are correct that we have moved into their territory on a big scale also. I think a lot of their encroachment comes from the fact that dogs, cats, and other common pets are such easy targets for them.
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Cats are coyote caviar!!! :o
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True
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I believe they have adapted. Just like suburban deer. They have a food source, places to hide and bed and know they are safe.
That lack of fear is what makes them so bold at times.
And animal control is useless in trying to trap them. The coyotes are too smart.
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Yeah but that's cause we move into their neighborhood.
NO!.... I've lived here for over 20 years, and my previous local was 1.2 miles away for 30 years. they're moving into our neighborhoods. The court house's been here since the 1800s.
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I'm doing what I can to reintroduce the fear of man back into them. :o
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I enjoy shooting at smoke as well.
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West central Illinois, few years ago,walking in around 230 i shot a squirrel, went through him,i retrieved my arrow ,back in quiver,,walking out black dark on a 2 trck with 4ft tall crp grass both sides for 1/4 mile.i kept hearing rustlig in the grass , as i got far enough away from my great spot as i exited the crp, i shined a light in the grass,,3 yotes were 8 ft from me . Shocked as hell!! Snarling and coming at me slowly, i swung my bow as i didnt wanna take the light off of um and lose track of any of them, it was a tom cruise moment spinning around as they triedto basically circle me..i yelled and stormed at two ,they backed into thetall grass. Spun around and tried to whack to one left with bow..he ran. I couldnt figure out why they'd follow me??? They shadowed me in tne woods for 30 more yards..it was the damn blood covered arrow IN MY QUIVER... as soon as i entered that grass they were behind me...VERY AGGRESSIVE
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Patknight, that's one of the reasons I often carry my Glock while hunting. It is legal here. Fortunately, I have never had anything come up quite that close on me. The worst I have had was a pack of wild dogs rather than coyotes that got to about 15 yards.
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Legal here as well, when not on Government Land and with a concealed carry permit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q0VakqpTx4
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OK, now that's scary as hell.
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There is a bounty on their head around here so they run fast, very fast from humans. My dad talk about once when he was young (in the 1930'ish) he came on a big pack with one in heat. He said that one held it's ground and was growling at him aggessively at him but it didn't live long becuase he was carring a gun.
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I know this may sound strange, but that video almost looks like the coyote was playing with this little girl. If it was really after her, wouldn't it press the attack more directly? Still, nobody needs that close an encounter with a coyote. I hope they have gotten animal control involved.
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I have a few great pic's of how we treat coyotes here in Southernmost Illinois but they are likely a bit gory to post.
Over the past 4 years I have called and killed a bunch (for this part of the state) for the cow guys around where we live. I absolutely show no mercy. The darn things will run up on a cow in labor and tare the calf out as soon as it shows.... dead calf. They will also gang up and eat the calf's tail. They are attracted to cows during calving if for no other reason then to eat the after birth.
Our coyotes can be referred to as "Eastern" which research now tells us is a cross between Western Coyote, Great Lakes area Wolf and dogs. This according to several research projects doing DNA testing. They will range from 35-55 lbs although I did see a male a year ago that went right at 60 lbs. Looked like a wolf but was not.
For the benefit of all wildlife and some pets you should make every effort to kill on sight....
Now we have a couple of guys running some sheep. The lambs are easy pickings. One of the sheep guys brings all his lambing yews inside during lambing just to avoid the coyotes and a few eagles.
No, I dont shoot em with a bow.... This is serious business and I need to make every contact with them bad on their end.
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I was in Nova Scotia a few years ago in October when an adult, female folk singer was attached and killed by at least one coyote.
My son and I have taken a handful from our yards over the years where we live. They are quite allergic to .308 and 270 wsm.
I witnessed one kill a button buck a few years ago while I was hunting.
I have never called them myself. I'm thinking about getting an electronic call and see if I can put some fear in them before three of my grandchildren move to the farm in a year.
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I would never be scared of a coyote here in ND they are hunted hard and have a great fear of humans .
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I know this may sound strange, but that video almost looks like the coyote was playing with this little girl. If it was really after her, wouldn't it press the attack more directly? Still, nobody needs that close an encounter with a coyote. I hope they have gotten animal control involved.
I think she turned and spooked the yote.
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I would never be scared of a coyote here in ND they are hunted hard and have a great fear of humans .
Really good point in general, and not just related to coyotes. My wife and I backpack a lot, and the only time we have problems with bears is when we backpack in National Parks, like Yosemite, where all wildlife is protected and not hunted. National Parks are intended to keep things in a natural state. Animals are hunted in a natural state. If animals are hunted, they tend to leave people alone more so than if they are not hunted.
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Yeah but that's cause we move into their neighborhood.
Nope! Coyotes are not native east of the Mississippi river. Their population spread is due to in large measure to the changing landscape in the East. Like deer, they have benefited from the impact of farming and other ecological changes bought about by man.
This article answers a lot of questions.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2002/08/coyotes-now-at-home-in-eastern-us/#close
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I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason they got across the river is because hounds men brought them over so that they would have something to run with their dogs. Then they just kind of spread from there. Don't know whether that's true or not but seems like a realistic possibility.
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Never had yotes aggressive towards me but a few years ago got surrounded by a pack of wild dogs running in a GMA. The DNR later went in and shot 32 dogs after telling all the landowners in the area of their plan. It worked no more dogs running wild in the area.
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I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason they got across the river is because hounds men brought them over so that they would have something to run with their dogs. Then they just kind of spread from there. Don't know whether that's true or not but seems like a realistic possibility.
I have heard that too.
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I think I remember reading somewhere that the reason they got across the river is because hounds men brought them over so that they would have something to run with their dogs. Then they just kind of spread from there. Don't know whether that's true or not but seems like a realistic possibility.
It's quite possible they got there on their own power:
Q: Is it true that coyotes have even colonized offshore islands?
A: Yes. They're good swimmers. In the Northeast, for example, they've colonized the Elizabeth Islands of Massachusetts.
Not to mention the fact that the Mighty Mississippi is not much more than a stream in northern MN. They could walk across there.
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Plus all the train tressels and bridges crossing the Mississippi. :campfire:
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Plus all the train tressels and bridges crossing the Mississippi. :campfire:
Yup. Forgot about them...