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Title: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 11, 2019, 10:29:06 AM: And it begins... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191111/dbe2a4de0507508940502ff5eba98aaa.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on November 11, 2019, 10:37:57 AM: :saywhat: :coffee: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Buemaker on November 11, 2019, 10:54:20 AM: A new model?
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Post by: David Flanrey on November 11, 2019, 11:22:22 AM: Better than working on a skidder outside today!! :laughing:
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Post by: Mad Max on November 11, 2019, 11:47:01 AM: You got to show us more than that
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2019, 12:10:20 PM: I got better pichers n that on my phone from the ole boy this morning:)
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2019, 12:24:22 PM: Then I sent him my pichers, cause it's winter here in Pa too:)

Some super fine 1/4 sawn Missouri Osage and Pa red elm core lam and Florida Bamboo....

And Jerry working on his bow.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: monterey on November 11, 2019, 12:50:24 PM: Roy, how come your splices are crooked like that?
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Post by: Mad Max on November 11, 2019, 01:02:54 PM: cuse his eye's are crossed
them hillbillys can't see nuffin
:laughing:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2019, 01:05:47 PM: Called Z splice..

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Post by: Buemaker on November 11, 2019, 01:40:01 PM: ZZTop splice. :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Garman on November 11, 2019, 02:54:06 PM: Roy, only makes sense to me if you did not cut them in the first place you would not have to splice. :knothead: :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2019, 04:02:27 PM: LOL, but I didn't cut em:)

:wavey:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 11, 2019, 04:13:44 PM: I'm gonna build a new limb design for my TD longbow to see about free horsepower. If it makes it shoot not as well as the original, they will be scrapped!
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: monterey on November 11, 2019, 05:35:17 PM: Quote from: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Called Z splice..

Yeah, but why are the splices cut at that angle instead of uniformly?

Ya gotta bear with us folks that don't use that orange wood that's too short!
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 11, 2019, 05:53:50 PM: Winter is here
it's going down to 19* tonight in North Mississippi
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Post by: David Flanrey on November 11, 2019, 05:59:05 PM: Free horsepower. Hmm... I’m interested.
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Post by: kennym on November 11, 2019, 07:14:57 PM: Free hp is good if controllable!! LOL

19 Max? Is that all you can do? Gonna be 9 here...:)
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 11, 2019, 07:15:53 PM: Uh never mind...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 11, 2019, 07:46:14 PM: Quote from: kennym on November 11, 2019, 07:14:57 PM
Free hp is good if controllable!! LOL

19 Max? Is that all you can do? Gonna be 9 here...:)

Yeah Yeah Yeah
and you guy's don't know what hot is
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 11, 2019, 08:09:54 PM: Yeah I know . I wouldn’t make it thru the 8 months of summer there...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Kelly on November 11, 2019, 09:23:46 PM: It’s two degrees here right now, high tomorrow of 12, low tomorrow night of below zero(record breaking col for this time of year. And we have a dusting of snow with another couple inches on Wednesday. So much for global warming!
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 11, 2019, 09:45:00 PM: What's snow?
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 12, 2019, 07:16:49 AM: Yeah, but why are the splices cut at that angle instead of uniformly?

Ya gotta bear with us folks that don't use that orange wood that's too short!

You glass guys sniffed too much of that EA-40 and glass dust stuff over the years.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: neuse on November 12, 2019, 07:39:10 AM: I like the pictures, very cool bow on it's way.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 12, 2019, 08:38:58 AM: Roy that looks like plywood in the center :bigsmyl:
Let see the whole profile there Kenny I got an idea.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 12, 2019, 08:43:54 AM: Quote from: Buemaker on November 11, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
ZZTop splice. :bigsmyl:
Bue we will know for sure if it got a long bushy beard later. :biglaugh:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 12, 2019, 09:54:31 AM: Quote from: kennym on November 11, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
I'm gonna build a new limb design for my TD longbow to see about free horsepower. If it makes it shoot not as well as the original, they will be scrapped!

Free horsepower theory ?? Looks like quite a bit of reflex. What taper you firgure on using?
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 15, 2019, 08:35:30 AM: :coffee: :coffee:
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Post by: Mad Max on November 15, 2019, 09:08:07 AM: It must be to COLD in there shops Stic
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 15, 2019, 04:23:55 PM: Quote from: monterey on November 11, 2019, 12:50:24 PM
Roy, how come your splices are crooked like that?
Crooked Stics :laughing: :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 15, 2019, 04:47:28 PM: Nock it off..

I'm getting better..

(http://i.imgur.com/BeAPSKq.jpg) (https://imgur.com/BeAPSKq)
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 15, 2019, 04:52:51 PM: That Coors is what did it :laughing:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 15, 2019, 07:46:44 PM: It's 57 in my shop, but I ain't in it... Too much work, not nuff huntin is causin me to slack...

Stic, free hp is hoped for by using added reflex , a .002 taper, no tip wedge ,it's all experimental or at least mental...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 15, 2019, 08:07:48 PM: Ah knock it off pee wee..

Yer sounden like Shreddy boy....
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 15, 2019, 08:10:13 PM: Well pops, I reckon you don’t glue in any reflex in those grass and lumber bombs?

Shouldn’t you be in bed ? ? LOL
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Post by: Forwardhandle on November 15, 2019, 08:13:38 PM: :biglaugh:
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Post by: Shredd on November 15, 2019, 08:31:50 PM: "Grass and Lumber Bombs"... :laughing: Now that's funny....
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 15, 2019, 10:37:10 PM: More reflex lessens the need for a tip wedge. The >002 should smooth out FDC reading . Me thinks it will work.
I dont think the Coors did it Kool Aid got more kick. :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 15, 2019, 11:08:53 PM: :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 16, 2019, 05:55:05 AM: :biglaugh:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Shredd on November 16, 2019, 07:31:26 AM: Quote from: kennym on November 15, 2019, 08:10:13 PM
Well pops, I reckon you don’t glue in any reflex in those grass and lumber bombs?

Kenny... Don't you mean, "Gwass and Wumber Bombs"... :laughing:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on November 16, 2019, 09:52:03 AM: All rite Shreddy that's a nuff, gona haf to open a can of wupass
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Buemaker on November 16, 2019, 12:27:17 PM: Who is cracking up?
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Shredd on November 16, 2019, 01:50:29 PM: Something is definitely Cracked but it aint the Riser... :wavey:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 20, 2019, 10:39:25 AM: I know we hijacked this tread but hey Kenny any updates. :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on November 20, 2019, 12:57:43 PM: LOL , it warmed up enough to start another project of concrete...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 20, 2019, 01:00:07 PM: Well that will be too much mass weight :biglaugh:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 01, 2019, 12:35:51 PM: So it’s snowin and 30-40 mph wind this morning(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191201/7fee679d6f7018d441f940d70a1c68f6.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on December 01, 2019, 01:50:26 PM: That's all the excuse I would need to stay in the shop ! Looking good :thumbsup:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 01, 2019, 04:36:19 PM: Well we got the wind and drizzle.

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 01, 2019, 04:52:20 PM: Wind and drizzle..

Yup, dats you ole timer.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 01, 2019, 05:14:47 PM: Go to your room.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 01, 2019, 05:40:35 PM: Posta get nasty here too.

I don't care.

Got fire in wood burner, fire in fire place, gas in generator and watching football...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Mad Max on December 01, 2019, 05:43:30 PM: Wind and Hell (about 1/2" size) last night.
:scared:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 01, 2019, 07:19:46 PM: 2nd limb glued up, maybe get em attached to the old riser next weekend
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 01, 2019, 09:48:28 PM: :coffee: Dont know if I can wait that long. :dunno:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 11, 2019, 12:27:13 PM: Finally some progress

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Here is the difference in reflex...

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on December 11, 2019, 12:30:15 PM: Nice looks good , did you use the same wedge as the standard ?
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 11, 2019, 01:47:51 PM: Purdy nice bud..
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Post by: Mad Max on December 11, 2019, 04:07:17 PM: :thumbsup: :campfire: :coffee:
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Post by: ztontonz on December 11, 2019, 05:50:11 PM: Looking good Kenny. That’s a fair amount of reflex!
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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 11, 2019, 07:32:43 PM: Oooo that is a lot of reflex. Gonna be interesting. Seeing them together I think the new one may be floppy. But I could be wrong. Like I said before if it is move the bolt hole back and the string groove toward the butt same distance. I have found not starting the reflex until about mid limb keeps them from being floppy and results in better feel after the shot.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 11, 2019, 09:08:41 PM: Yup on lot of reflex causing headaches.

But ole pap pap kin handle it.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on December 12, 2019, 06:13:43 AM: Be interesting I think it will add some HP when he puts it on the Dyno :cheesy:
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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 12, 2019, 07:35:58 AM: Yes sir Roy and you know what they say about a head like that :laughing:
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Post by: hunting badger on December 13, 2019, 01:45:51 PM: We had to come back to Alaska together out of the cold weather, 36* here!! haha
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Post by: kennym on December 16, 2019, 02:28:28 PM: Hmmmm, that’s a lotta reflex ...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191216/9f44fd109168d0904c6f5a37819300af.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 16, 2019, 02:39:03 PM: Yeah we dun tol ya that :wavey:
What taper you got in those new ones.
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 16, 2019, 02:55:35 PM: .002 no superlam
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 16, 2019, 03:02:47 PM: Looks wicket to me :laugh:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 16, 2019, 03:19:50 PM: Does look a bit wicked. Weight is 5 over so about perfect, top limb needs trimmed a bit.

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 16, 2019, 03:20:08 PM: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191216/c487bf56f1c51b9fd18f49ae464246e0.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 16, 2019, 04:21:22 PM: Looks nice bud.

How bouta full draw picher?
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 16, 2019, 04:31:44 PM: X2
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Post by: Mad Max on December 16, 2019, 05:59:44 PM: I knew you could do it :bigsmyl:
looks good kenny
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 16, 2019, 09:18:22 PM: Even shot it once

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 16, 2019, 09:37:11 PM: Aaaaand ???

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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 16, 2019, 09:38:24 PM: Look pretty good strung.

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: bow loving man on December 16, 2019, 10:12:04 PM: Looking good Kenny. First thoughts after your shot? 😉
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Post by: ztontonz on December 17, 2019, 01:25:34 AM: I like the strung profile.
How do these limbs feel ?
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 17, 2019, 09:42:10 AM: How long to I have to grow my beard before I get to see a full draw pic :laughing:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 17, 2019, 12:02:21 PM: Well, my first thought after the first shot is crap, I gotta get this bow's limbs back on and go huntin!!

No deer , only a big bobcat , which I will remember later on...

Ritchie, you better get some of those little ties to put in your beard! Huntin is on til jan 15 :)
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on December 17, 2019, 12:18:27 PM: I got zip ties thell work :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 17, 2019, 01:31:47 PM: Ritchie, are they Pink zip ties?
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 17, 2019, 03:21:17 PM: They can be Why ? You looking for a Date ? :o
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 17, 2019, 03:27:43 PM: LOL
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 21, 2019, 05:12:51 AM: Any full draw yet :biglaugh:

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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 21, 2019, 07:31:02 AM: :laughing:

It's hunting season yet...
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 21, 2019, 08:02:59 AM: I know Im just razing him :laughing:
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Post by: kennym on December 21, 2019, 08:46:30 AM: Man, you must have used some rogain on that. Food in it too!!

We have a couple days work to finish the project and I'll get the bow worked on mid day during season... LOL
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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 21, 2019, 02:19:19 PM: Phew hate to see that beard get caught in a bow string.
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Post by: kennym on December 21, 2019, 03:13:04 PM: Or a sander!! LOL
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 21, 2019, 04:24:19 PM: Or a Kenworth steering wheel :laughing:
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Post by: kennym on December 21, 2019, 05:55:30 PM: At least with the KW you can just go straight and run over stuff, the sander is gonna cost ya some hide when it pulls ya in!!
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 21, 2019, 05:57:25 PM: I do that any way with the KW with out a beard too...lol
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2019, 10:52:56 AM: Back at it a bit while raining...

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2019, 10:53:26 AM: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191228/cb7b8cc4b04b43c05be3a61afb90692c.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 28, 2019, 02:08:34 PM: Looking good. I see some black and pink actionwood in the background You making Elroy a bow. :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Forwardhandle on December 28, 2019, 03:06:54 PM: Looking good Kenny ,that action wood has to much black in it for Roy :bigsmyl:
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Post by: hunting badger on December 28, 2019, 05:04:01 PM: Man Roy, that's some good looking bow material you got there!! Should turn out beautiful!!
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2019, 05:20:27 PM: Back to huntin tomorrow but gonna be real windy in a day or two, so should finish tiller and tips and possibly speed check against the original limbs. Think its gonna be a few lbs. lighter but we can get the general idea...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 12, 2020, 03:49:12 PM: So Kenny how did those new limbs do??
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Post by: kennym on January 12, 2020, 03:54:16 PM: Not done yet, don't wanna take my hunting limbs off my riser...
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Post by: Crooked Stic on January 12, 2020, 04:43:47 PM: :coffee: alrighty then
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Post by: kennym on January 12, 2020, 08:10:30 PM: As soon as my buddy's bow is done... and bow season is over...
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Post by: Carpdaddy on January 17, 2020, 05:24:35 PM: Oh just send them to me and I’ll put them on my riser. :laughing:
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Post by: kennym on January 17, 2020, 05:29:27 PM: Actually started cleaning up the overlays today! LOL
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 11:28:25 AM: Working on this project today, tillered out at 48@28, think that’s what my other limbs are also so will be a good comparison test .

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 19, 2020, 11:39:59 AM: That's a sweet looking brace profile with the exstra reflex :thumbsup:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 12:06:14 PM: Here’s a couple more pics of new limbs...

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Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 12:09:15 PM: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200119/a3942163d17285e74578603d9f729c98.jpg)

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 12:09:33 PM: Gonna run some chrono numbers in a bit
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 19, 2020, 12:38:57 PM: On your FD profile it looks like your limbs working all the way up and still holding the string angle bet that bow shoots great with heavy arrows I like it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 01:23:30 PM: Thanks Ritchie!

Here are the chrony numbers for both sets of limbs...

64" TD longbow

Original limbs with .003 total taper including superlam and 1" less reflex

48.09# @ 28" with a 531 grain arrow (my hunting arrow) 11.04 GPP -- 173 FPS

New limbs with .002 taper , no superlam but with 1" more reflex

48.00 @ 28" with same 531 grn arrow 11.06 GPP -- 177 FPS

NOTES:

New limbs have no finish sprayed on them
New limbs have wider tips
Shot off shooting machine
First impression is new limbs are a bit quieter
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 01:27:04 PM: BTW here is the strung profile in the original...

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on January 19, 2020, 01:43:38 PM: Very nice looks like you hit the sweet spot on those Kenny I'm in ,looks like you could easily get a few more inches of draw on the 64" , I'm going to try one in spring , got busier this winter then in the last decade ! No time for bows !
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Post by: Crooked Stic on January 19, 2020, 02:12:18 PM: Not too bad a gain there Kenny. Every little bit helps---optimizing :clapper: Betting with .002 taper and include the superlam even a bit more.
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Post by: Bvas on January 19, 2020, 04:27:54 PM: Looking good Kenny!

How far are the string grooves in front of the handle on those new limbs?
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Post by: Autumnarcher on January 19, 2020, 06:41:19 PM: Thats looking great Kenny. Nice lookin bow

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Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2020, 08:56:47 PM: Thanks guys!
Brad , I didn’t check that today , been too long laying there to remember. Will try to check it!
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Post by: David Flanrey on January 20, 2020, 09:23:56 AM: Can you tell it’s faster without machine?

You’re awful! All I need is another form to keep up with. 😂
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 20, 2020, 09:38:13 AM: I'm not sensitive nuff to tell 4 fps, but it may be a little quieter with the added preload and slightly stiffer limbs with the less taper.

I'm learning... LOL
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on January 22, 2020, 02:39:30 PM: BTW, this was off a shooting machine so fingers release will be slower by a few FPS...
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Forwardhandle on February 05, 2020, 05:10:56 AM: Hey Kenny you been shooting this bow any more do you have any pro's cons on the new limbs ?
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2020, 08:31:35 AM: Not yet, I thought being off work was gonna free up a bunch of time but haven't seen any of that yet. LOL
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Post by: Forwardhandle on February 05, 2020, 08:37:42 AM: I know the feeling Bro !
Title: Re: And winter is here
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 05, 2020, 10:08:02 AM: Well I got a 12 degree riser or two. :bigsmyl: