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Title: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 13, 2019, 09:43:46 PM: Anybody used the synthetic rit liquid dye on lams? I think the synthetic part means it can be used on nylon and stuff.

Have a fellow wanting stained curly maple on a blank...
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 14, 2019, 07:35:45 AM: Yes the newer liquid stuff works good. If need to lighten the color add denatured alcohol. I used aqua once hoping for blueish tint and under glass and glue it turned out green on curly maple. The black and brown will be about the same tho.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 14, 2019, 07:43:36 AM: Ya may want to check it on a scrap piece first, which I'm sure you would.

I've found that different woods take on different colors using the same color of dye.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 07:47:36 AM: Thanks fellers, gonna make an extra veneer to test and glue two stained blocks up to test adhesion also.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 14, 2019, 08:33:21 AM: Yup, yer on it Buckwheat:)
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 09:55:21 AM: Figured I’d do the adhesion test first. Sanded with 60 like the lams will be and stained. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190714/8a50f47d74245b734b9fe1b44d7eb779.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190714/5f6c6dc89b9243c1e23cfeb2d41d5544.jpg)

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Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 14, 2019, 10:43:09 AM: Ifin ya mess up that curly maple and don't want it, ah well ya got my addy there, HINT:)
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Flem on July 14, 2019, 10:58:35 AM: Never dyed wood with Ritz's myself. That looks pretty good from here, not blotchy. If you want to control the depth of color or if it does get blotchy, you could put a very thin sealer coat on first. Sorry if I am stating something you already know.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Pat B on July 14, 2019, 11:17:00 AM: Is the Rit dye carried with water? Does it raise the grain?
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 14, 2019, 12:52:54 PM: Folks I have used Rit for stain a half of gazillion times It will be fine. But to be sure of the final color a test strip with glue and glass might be good. I have found that 60 grit will lines under glue and glass. especialy on Aboo so 80 grit may be better for veneers.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 14, 2019, 01:09:00 PM: Me either with Ritz but they good with cheese :laughing: :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 14, 2019, 02:26:22 PM: I looked up Ritz dye..

Webpage came up with,,, Ya Dummy:)
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: monterey on July 14, 2019, 03:37:42 PM: If it's for veneers, you might want to look at a water/ferric nitrate solution. It really makes curly maple pop.

I have some of the crystals and can send you some if you want to try it.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Flem on July 14, 2019, 03:44:31 PM: Thats rich coming from you guy's, with your homespun vernacular and sentence structure. ;)
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 03:48:30 PM: I'm good I think Mike, thanks tho…

homespun vernacular >>>-----------^--------> I'm gonna have to look that up!
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 14, 2019, 04:35:55 PM: Send Eric Krewson a pm. He uses what Mike just mentioned.

Think he does it on curly maple.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 04:51:20 PM: Sent the customer a pic and he likes it... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190714/d3bd8b8608fb76c749ad968840e7fbc3.jpg)

3 parts denatured alcohol and one part rut chocolate brown

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Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 04:53:30 PM: Got a scrap of glass glued over it now waiting for glue to set up
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: skeaterbait on July 14, 2019, 05:07:35 PM: I tried some black on curly maple and found out I need to sand it much finer grit. All I could really see where the sanding lines.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Fishinglink on July 14, 2019, 05:38:04 PM: Looks good Kenny.

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Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 14, 2019, 07:12:51 PM: Quote from: skeaterbait on July 14, 2019, 05:07:35 PM
I tried some black on curly maple and found out I need to sand it much finer grit. All I could really see where the sanding lines.

Yep, I can see some lines in pic, they are curved from the sander oscillaton…

Thanks,Cody!!
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: monterey on July 14, 2019, 08:36:50 PM: That looks very good.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 14, 2019, 09:46:14 PM: Roy I think we been called english speaking. Maybe red neck to. :dunno: :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Flem on July 14, 2019, 10:02:45 PM: Just wanted to let you guy's know that I speak smack too :wavey:
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 15, 2019, 04:25:59 AM: Thought Ritz crackers were snacks, not smacks Flemmy?
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 15, 2019, 06:37:12 AM: [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 15, 2019, 06:48:26 AM: LOL
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Flem on July 15, 2019, 08:07:24 AM: Damn you guy's! Now I'm hungry :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 19, 2019, 05:04:38 PM: OK guys, I started a chisel in the end of the test pc of stained maple and glass , and then peeled the glass right off with no maple sticking to glass and no glass stickin to the maple. Am I using the wrong dye? It was mixed 3 parts d n alcohol to one part liquid dye...
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Mad Max on July 19, 2019, 07:24:09 PM: Quote from: kennym on July 19, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
OK guys, I started a chisel in the end of the test pc of stained maple and glass , and then peeled the glass right off with no maple sticking to glass and no glass stickin to the maple. Am I using the wrong dye? It was mixed 3 parts d n alcohol to one part liquid dye...

Have you ever tried that on a glue joint before.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 19, 2019, 07:50:35 PM: I had a junk bow in shop and peeled glass on it. It tore filaments from glass all the way.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Mad Max on July 19, 2019, 08:14:34 PM: :shaka:
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Flem on July 19, 2019, 09:32:03 PM: Wish I had some insight for you Kenny. I wonder if Stic used the liquid or powder Ritz (sic) dye. Maybe the liquid has a carrier/solvent that hindered the bond? Just guessing, the MSDS for Rit gives no ingredients.
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 19, 2019, 11:11:42 PM: I have used both liquid and powder. The blue green bow has probably has 1000 shots thru it. I really dont think the Rit is your problem. Not sure the chisel idea was a good test. The all black one I just finished had liquid Rit. On spalted sycamore. That really soaked the glue and had air bubbles. Hence black. Probably 100 shots so far. Dunno

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Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Forwardhandle on July 20, 2019, 04:53:12 AM: Interesting test I have been San bagging with interest I wish they made a dye you could add to EA-40 ! Then use it for the riser to !
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: kennym on July 20, 2019, 07:27:06 AM: Will try to get some pics up of testing...
Title: Re: Rit dye on lams
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 20, 2019, 08:00:24 AM: I think I would do another test with same wood no dye. And use the chisel the same way. Then make a decision.

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