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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Charlie Lamb on March 20, 2019, 09:59:32 PM
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Let me start this with a short explanation. A long time ago, in a jungle far far away I was like every other Marine in that situation. I was bad homesick and aching for anything to connect me with "the world" as we called home.
Mail was infrequent in the primitive situations we lived in but one day on a firebase that was a little more civilized than most of the places we spent our time a helicopter could be heard far away but getting closer. I watched as the distance got shorter and shorter until it was circling our little hill.
It landed on the helipad that had been scraped off the top of the hill and and disgorged its cargo without drawing mortar fire. Supplies and men came off that bird and one man carried a big red nylon bag. Mail!!
I was lucky and got a couple of letters from home and one with the scent of a perfume that just made me miss home that much more. I opened the letters from mom and dad first and found that my mom had enclosed a brochure of the brand new bow that Bear Archery was introducing. Mom sure knew how to put a smile on my face. So did the author of the sweet scented letter, but I won't get into that.
I poured over the glossy pages of the brochure drinking in the beautiful color pictures of Fred's take down bow and memorizing the written descriptions. I instantly promised myself that if I made it out of that hell hole I'd own one of those bows.
Well, time went by (none too fast I might add) and I found myself back home in the land of mom, home, apple pie and she of the perfumed letter. Within a couple of weeks I held the Bear Takedown in my sweaty little hands.
As it turned out that bow was one of if not THE best shooting bow I'd ever owned.
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Gotta love 'em
Thanks for sharing. :archer:
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Thank you for the story and your service sir. 👍👍
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Awesome Charlie! Going to think there’s much more to the story
and thanks for your service!!
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Thanks guys, but not quite done. :saywhat:
I shot that bow until the cows came home and then some. Deer were no challenge at any distance I cared to shoot. Turkeys in those days were few and far between but I really wanted one.
I spent a lot of time in the Ozark hills where my family had settled a couple of hundred years before. Once in a while I even heard a bird gobble. Usually far far away. I'd come back to the truck from a long mornings walk and as was my habit I was shooting around at stumps and leaves. You know the drill.
The bow was heavy... 75# at my draw. To improve my strength I finished my session with a few shots where I held extra long at full draw. As I held on my last shot I was just starting to tremble a little from the weight when...BAM!! I went down to one knee, head reeling and teetering on the edge of unconsciousness.
It wasn't until my head had cleared that I was able regain my feet and figure it all out. My precious bow lay in pieces on the ground. Blood trickled from a cut above my right eye. One limb of the bow had separated from the rest of the bow. The fade out section was cleanly separated from the limb.
I was upset. Really upset. The bow would go back to the factory with a not too kind note. In fairness they did respond quickly with a new set of limbs and a letter of apology.
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A year went by and I was a happy camper. There was no sign of a problem from the bow. A productive deer season got behind me and winter meant chasing bunnies and then it was turkey time again.
I went back to my favorite spot and took off into the hills. Walk, listen, walk some more. I was limited to where I could go and to tell the truth it was slim pickins where I was hunting.
Once more I came out of the woods at quitting time... noon at the time. I went through the same practice routine even though this set of limbs was five pounds lighter. Again I finished up my session holding at full draw for a long count. Again there was a loud CRACK and down I went.
I seriously felt like I'd been hit in the head and rolled around in a daze trying to figure out who hit me. When I regained my senses I found that the exact same thing had happened as the year before.
Like the year before I boxed up the bow with a note and shipped it off to Michigan. Like the year before the limbs were replaced no question.
I'd had it. The take down had to go. It didn't take long to sell it to a friend of a friend and I went back to one piece bows.
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Fast forward to today. I had a magnesium handle Bear T.D. that had belonged to a friend and I shoot it well but I never really got over that beautiful wooden riser bow.
I admit that I didn't care much for what Bear had been doing with the takedown these past few years. They just didn't appeal to me.
But lately! They are back. They are once again producing a bow that I think Fred would be proud of.
That's why I placed an order with Big Jim for a Bubinga and Phenolic "B" riser. I've got the limbs and this will be the first bow I didn't make in a long time.
I'll post pics here when it comes in.
So help me if it knocks me down.... :knothead:
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dang, I feel gullible. :knothead:
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Not your fault Ray. :saywhat:
And of course the bow will be ready for... you guessed it. Turkey season. I think I'm developing a twitch.
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I bought an "A" handle from Big Jim's Bow Co. and really like their new TD. Many years ago, I had an early Bear Kodiak (1955 - 57), delaminate at the lower tip. Glenn St Charles replaced it, and thought the rubber tip protector was the problem. He thought it held moisture and caused the string to cut through the lower limb string nock. I had just strung the bow (Push-Pull). I found out later their early bows had tip overlays made from colored paper. The upper limb hit the right side of my head, missing my eye or ear. I can't remember having another bow break, and have had many including Bear TD's. All my bows were between 58 - 60" for my 28"draw length.
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Nice story Charlie. What are the odds of that happening!
I hope this new one brings many a smiles to you. :archer2:
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Thanks for the story and your service.
I've been shooting a Bear takedown bows for over 40 years and have only had one set of limbs crack, and they didn't break. I've had really good luck with them and agree they are a great shooting bow. Best of luck with your new one, it will be a beauty. Good luck with the turkey also.
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Good story, Charlie and thanks for your service.
I bought my Bear TD in 1971.
Got my first trad deer with it that year and many more since that one.
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Great story, Thank You for your service. Squirrel photo has to be one of the best of all time. And it looks like you shot a Lincoln Log into the back of that turtle! Good Luck with the new one, I hope it serves you well
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Very cool! Well, other than getting knocked out twice! Here’s to hoping the new Bear will be easier on the cranium!
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Great story Charlie, like always. I think that the new limbs are better shooters than the older ones the riser are always been good but never liked the 86-2007 ones.
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Charlie: Can't tell for sure from the pix, but looks like you have no.1 limbs on your early TD. That makes a 60-inch bow, which should be enough to handle a long draw like yours, but a draw in the 30-inch range does put some awful stress on those limbs. No.3 limbs, making a 64-inch bow would be less likely to fail. Not impossible just less likely. Too, all other things being equal, I've always felt that heavier limbs were more susceptible to failure than lighter limbs.
Good luck with your new TD. Bear TDs are the only recurves I still have in my stable. They're stable, plenty fast and pretty easy on the eyes as well.
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Great story and pictures Mr. Lamb. Again, thank you.
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Enjoyed the story Charlie, waiting for more. Maybe one about a big tom turkey.
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Great story Charlie, I didn’t get “serious” about bow hunting until I settled down. In Nam we would talk about firearms for hunting. First time I saw a Bear TD was at a sports show in Chicago in 1971. But $150 was hard to come up with for a guy with a new wife and kid. Bought a SK instead. When I did buy a TD in 1998 it was the end of a dream I had for years.
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Great story. I hope mine never hits me in the head.
Cacciatore, why you not like about the 86 - 2007 risers ?
Just wondering
Randy
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Roy, which limbs do you have on your bow?
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Great story Charlie......own quite a few older Bears, but not a takedown. Maybe someday though.🏹
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#3 @ 42 #
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Awesome story and pics. (love the falling squirrel )
I had 2 high end three piece long bows delaminate and changed to Bear takedown recurves, I have 3 now. I love the nostalgia
I hope your bow serves you well.
Regards
Mark
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I loved that story !!
Mine was a tad different , though. I'd get excited flying in on the helicopter to my base knowing I'd have mail piled on my desk after being out in the mountains.
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Thanks Charlie, for your story and especially for your Jungle service. Glad you made it home!
You are without a doubt the only guy I know who can start a story with . . . "I got knocked down by a bear twice . . ."
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Orion... they must have been #2 as the bow was a 62". My favorite length.
Robin... good to see you here buddy!! Long time no see. I think about our trip up on Hell's Canyon often. What a great time.
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Guess I should have mentioned that I got the riser while I was out of town this weekend. Haven't had a chance to mess with it much yet but it sure looks sweet. No hard angles, all smooth and rounded. I did snap in a set of 55# limbs and string it up. Just looks better and better.
Tomorrow I'll hook it up with a bowquiver... the ones I tried have screws that are too small. I may shoot it some without the bowquiver. I noticed that in the photos I posted the bow was naked. As a matter of fact for a long time in my early days I hated bowquivers. I was convinced they were a detriment to accurate shooting.
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I love me a bow quiver! I’m sure you know Bears take that 1/4-20 thread I believe. The great northern I had on mine was great!
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Ok, here's a few pics of the new bow and I'm pretty excited. I haven't spent much time shooting it. It's not properly tuned right now. Even though tuning will be very simple... the right arrow and well adjusted brace height. I've been up to my eyes in other projects so my play time has suffered.
Nice Bubinga
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I like that they lowered the shelf in homage to Papa Bear even if it isn't as low as his bow.
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There's no accessory bushing on the back of the bow. That's a good thing in my book. I'm not likely to put a stabilizer on it and I'm sure as hell not taking it bowfishing.
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I can tell you from the few mismatched arrows that I have shot that this bow is a sweet shooter. The draw is smooth like butta. Arrow speed seems good but will be even better when I get the brace adjusted.
Gonna get me some turkeys in a few weeks. Found a spot while I was out of town this past weekend.
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I don't know why I open this post all going to happen is I will start thinking I need a Bear TD and I will buy one my wife will kill me :o and sell my bow. Great post Charlie Lamb thank for sharing.
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It’s beautiful. Did you already have the bubinga limbs?
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Yes, I already had the limbs with bubinga wedges. Wish I had a set with black wedges to match the phenolic. I've got a set but they are 60# which is just too much these days. Looks pretty darn good anyway.
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I should have added that the bow is dead silent with just minimal wool silencers. Really important in my book. In my experience that is typical of Bears bows.
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Charlie, thanks for your service! My first Bear T/D came while in the service also 1971, it came because the Black Widow I was shooting decided to become takedown one morning shooting a shoot at 29 Palms, Ca. It literally exploded! A couple weeks later I was in FS arrow supply in Costa Mesa looking at the Bears. $20 don't seem like much now but being in the service at the time I opted for the Magnesium handle as they were $119 compared to the wood ones at $139. I got 61# number 2 limbs that came out to 75# at my 32" draw. I loved that bow, got more limbs for it and shot it until Aug 1979 when the handle let go 2 weeks before my first big trip to BC moose hunting. I had been shooting it with 75# limbs(88# at my draw) and if you remember at that time Bear wasn't making anything but compounds so I had to hunt with the closest thing to it a Bear Alaskan compound.(same handle different limb attachment) The next 12 or so years I shot longbows exclusively and then I came upon a T/D for sale and jumped on it! 55and 65# limbs with a Green strip handle, I was back! I've had many bows over the years always looking for something better but keep coming back to my GO TO . I have 4 of them in the house now and don't plan on changing any time soon.
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Good stuff Charlie! Enjoy the new bow and good luck with the turkeys. Seems you have a few more around these days.
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Great story. I hope mine never hits me in the head.
Cacciatore, why you not like about the 86 - 2007 risers ?
Just wondering
Randy
because the grip and the whole handle is too thin and the back of the grip is a little too squared and somehow uncomfortable. Then they used a kind of laminated plywood material. For the same price you can buy a Green Stripe handle that are just beautiful and almost bombproof and they were personally checked one by one by Fred!!!
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Charlie, on one of the Fred Bear DVD’s he is talking about trying to shoot a compound on an Ontario bear hunt and giving up. Was that the same hunt you were on? Were you there when he was trying to get the hang of the compound for the cameras?
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Very nice bow charlie, now get a catchers mask and go shoot it. lol
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Greg. Yep. I was right there with him. He tried several times but when the bow would let off he'd kind of flinch then release. He'd shake his head and at one point told me he just didn't like them but had to pretend to because that was the hot thing.
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That is a great looking riser, Charlie. I like that Bear is now making them with the lower shelf. I have always preferred the lower shelf on the wood risers. Maybe I need a new one (no-no-no-no-no- you don't need another bow....)
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Felix, Are green stripes easy to find over there? They seem to be few and far between here. Especially lefties,
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Felix, Are green stripes easy to find over there? They seem to be few and far between here. Especially lefties,
lefties are rare! I have seen that while on different bows a LH is always more difficult to sell and it makes less money,on the vintage wood handles prices are higher than the rhs.
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So Charlie, what do you think of your new T/D? A happy homecoming for ya? I have a small herd of Bear T/D's, just picked up another today. Something about them... I just shoot 'em well.
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R.V.T.B ... It's everything I remembered. I shoot it so well effortlessly. I've got a new string on it... endless with double served loops. Brace height adjusted... a little over 8". Replaced the arrow plate... too thick. Thinking about replacing the Bear Hair rest with velcro. Put on yarn silencers. It's really quiet now but wasn't bad to begin with.
I've decided to fletch up some 2016 aluminum for it. Bareshafting showed them to be the best. I'll test my 2018's with some 200 grain VPA glue ons that I've got. That should work great and I'll probably get some heavy Simmons to mount up.
Even on the days I don't get to shoot it, I hold it and look it over. I just love it. If there ever was a classic, this is it.
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Charlie, she sure is pretty...
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"If there ever was a classic, this is it."
Exactly!!
You ought to think about giving a feather rest a try. I picked up a '59 a year or so ago and fell in love with shooting off a feather rest. Have since put them on several of my bows. It works well, is quiet and takes me back to watching my dad and his friends gluing and burning them in a garage back in the early '60's.
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I'd been thinking about a feather rest. I shot them for several years on my Jack Howard bows. Makes for a very forgiving rest and surprisingly rugged. We'll see. I've got 2 or 3 in my tackle box and all summer to play. :archer2:
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Like you, Charlie, I thought about velcro for my Bear TD bow rests and side plates. I went ahead and used it on a few. I found that it really works well. Plus it is cheap and easily available. By the way, that is a beautiful new bow you have there.
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Charlie, thanks for starting this thread.
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Creekwood... No problem. I like talking new bow and arrows and this bow is special to me.
Joe ...I'm not super happy about the Bearhair rest. I used them years ago and they worked fine. When I used the Bearhair I came to the point that I cut the factory material into smaller rectangles and located them as near the pivot point of the bow as I could. They are not soft enough to suit my tastes. I've prefered velcro for a long time.
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Joe... I put a small sliver of velcro on the shelf first and then "lightly" putting a one inch rectangle over that. I makes a rest with considerable "give" but it's not too high. When I put down the first coat of contact cement I leave the little "sliver" dry. I don't get glue on it. I treat the actual rest the same. No glue over the section that's above the sliver".
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Charlie: That sounds like a good way to do it. By the way, your photos might convince me that I "need" one of those new, beautiful TDs. The wood and phenolic combination is just beautiful....Joe
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Charlie,
Good story as usual glad you got back to a bear although I think the Sunbears are prettier. Miss hearing your stories live in camp. If you ever want to head to the swamps of south Georgia and hunt some hogs with me, you are always welcome. Whip was just out here...tippit
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thanks Doc! I'll keep that in mind. It would be great to share a camp again.
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Great Stuff Charlie... :campfire:
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Good stuff Charlie. Those Bear T/D's are good turkey medicine.
My designated turkey bow is a Mag A riser with a set of Rose Oak limbs. It makes a 58" bow which is a bit on the short side for my 30" draw, but it sure makes it easier to shoot out of a pop up blind. And I've got it set up to attach a bow blind to it JoeBuck style if I hunt without the pop up blind.
Turkey season just started here and I've only been out once, but hoping this old bow will get a chance to make meat soon. Good luck to you with your new Bear!