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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Carcajou on March 15, 2019, 08:53:43 AM
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Any sources for tapered Doug Fir shafts/arrows? Most I have seen have been for parallel shafts. Thanks
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Surewood Shafts makes the best IMO. Not sure if you already tried them, but they should have them in stock. It has been a while since I ordered any.
Splurge for the premium.. they generally require no straightening and a very tight in terms of spline.
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http://surewoodshafts.com/prices_premium.html
9.5” back taper to 5/16 I believe. Great guys.
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Thanks Guys, just ordered
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You can't go wrong w surewood.
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I've gotten shafts from them also, great shafts.
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You have your answer,truth spoken above.
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I bought a dozen tapered last year from Surewood. Excellent shafts.
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I have only shot Surewood Shafts and they are awesome to business with. you might want to look at Wapiti Archery. http://wapitiarcherypoc.com/
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Thanks, Surewood already shipped them out to me.
Thanks everyone. Amazing quick transaction!
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My son, with his 144 gross of 2018s and 144 gross of 2020s, swore that he never use wood arrows again except for shooting small game. He decided to take his only ASL longbow hunting when Howard Hills birthday rolled around and needed some wood shafts. He got tapered Surewoods, he swears they are best flying arrows that he ever shot out of that bow. He killed a really nice 9 pointer on Howard Hills past birthday with his ASL, buried the arrow three inches into the dirt bank six yards past the deer.
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just really curious as to your thoughts/reasoning behind the tapered shafts.
I have read some neat techno stuff about tapered shafts recently.
would just like to hear others thoughts on it
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Wapiti is another excellent source of both tapered cedar and d-fir.
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When a shaft maker makes shaft tapered, it gets additional scrutiny of its worthiness, beside I have a bunch of original 5/16 Mercury nocks.
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I received the new shafts from Surewood, prompt service, and excellent quality.
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just really curious as to your thoughts/reasoning behind the tapered shafts.
I have read some neat techno stuff about tapered shafts recently.
would just like to hear others thoughts on it
Being tapered the shaft clears the arrow pass better. FOC is not the main reason for tapering IMO.
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just really curious as to your thoughts/reasoning behind the tapered shafts.
I have read some neat techno stuff about tapered shafts recently.
would just like to hear others thoughts on it
Agreed. Allows for more spline tollorance IMO
Being tapered the shaft clears the arrow pass better. FOC is not the main reason for tapering IMO.
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When a shaft maker makes shaft tapered, it gets additional scrutiny of its worthiness, beside I have a bunch of original 5/16 Mercury nocks.
I've been lookin for those nocks...nada :wavey:
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Have you tried “The Footed Shaft” for those nocks?
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https://www.3riversarchery.com/bohning-classic-index-glue-on-arrow-nocks.html
https://www.3riversarchery.com/marco-snap-on-glue-on-arrow-nocks.html
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i have an amazing video of an arrow in slomo. and when spined correctly- its evident that the parallel shaft doesnt touch the bow riser at all after release- except maybe for the first 2 or 3" behind the point.
just from what i have seen, i cant say if it does or doesnt help clear the riser better.
it does help with foc for sure- but i agree with Hermon, that may not be the only reason as to why they fly so well.
over the years i have been through the gamut of thoughts, ideas and theories as to why the tapered shafts fly so well.
a lot of this has been speculation ( mine included ;) ) until recently i read a great write up on a website.
tests have been done measuring the duration of oscillation of the shaft- ie what would contribute to the shaft continuing to flex back and forth as it goes through the throes of " archers paradox".
different materials and different profiles will oscillate for different periods of time- the more homogeneous in profile and in material a shaft is- the longer it will oscillate.
makes sense - nothing to really disrupt the waves travelling back and forth down the shaft.
but, if a shaft has a back taper- that transition from parallel to the constriction in diameter- seems to really screw up the wave structure-, disrupts it and kills the oscillation quicker, and quite a lot quicker too.
for a long time i have believed( and probably am partly correct in the assumption) that the improvement in FOC, is what made the shafts more stable- quicker to recover, and more forgiving, but i see now it is a lot more technical than that, but i do believe that the foc still adds to the advantages of the overall arrows performance. Maybe just to a lesser degree.
but it appears that this recovery from oscillation seems to be the significant factor to the tapered shafts recovering from the "Paradox" phenomenon quicker than any other shaft- yes even quicker than carbons! :knothead:
anyway- just some interesting info i stumbled across
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i have an amazing video of an arrow in slomo. and when spined correctly- its evident that the parallel shaft doesnt touch the bow riser at all after release- except maybe for the first 2 or 3" behind the point.
just from what i have seen, i cant say if it does or doesnt help clear the riser better.
it does help with foc for sure- but i agree with Hermon, that may not be the only reason as to why they fly so well.
over the years i have been through the gamut of thoughts, ideas and theories as to why the tapered shafts fly so well.
a lot of this has been speculation ( mine included ;) ) until recently i read a great write up on a website.
tests have been done measuring the duration of oscillation of the shaft- ie what would contribute to the shaft continuing to flex back and forth as it goes through the throes of " archers paradox".
different materials and different profiles will oscillate for different periods of time- the more homogeneous in profile and in material a shaft is- the longer it will oscillate.
makes sense - nothing to really disrupt the waves travelling back and forth down the shaft.
but, if a shaft has a back taper- that transition from parallel to the constriction in diameter- seems to really screw up the wave structure-, disrupts it and kills the oscillation quicker, and quite a lot quicker too.
for a long time i have believed( and probably am partly correct in the assumption) that the improvement in FOC, is what made the shafts more stable- quicker to recover, and more forgiving, but i see now it is a lot more technical than that, but i do believe that the foc still adds to the advantages of the overall arrows performance.
anyway- just some interesting info i stumbled across
Very interesting and thank you for sharing!
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yer welcome :)
i didnt figure it out- i just learnt it :bigsmyl: