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Title: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: longrifle on February 08, 2019, 06:41:04 PM

I know a few bowyers have done this, anyone on here know the process? I would assume you would have to soak the cloth in smooth on??

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Post by: goobersan on February 08, 2019, 08:09:00 PM

Sounds interesting. I'd like to see how that looks under glass

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Post by: kennym on February 08, 2019, 08:37:23 PM

Check out Sarrels Archery on FB , he just did a zebra job and may have used cloth ...

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 08, 2019, 10:42:53 PM

Got to be sure your cloth is totally saturated a roller may be a good tool for that.

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Post by: monterey on February 09, 2019, 12:46:19 AM

Wonder how that plays into stack and draw weight?

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Post by: skeaterbait on February 09, 2019, 05:55:09 AM

I am captivated, who's gonna be the first to try this out?

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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 09, 2019, 06:24:01 AM

Bet ole Kenny is cutting up his old camo skivvies now to try it:)

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Post by: skeaterbait on February 09, 2019, 08:33:29 AM

Take downs are good for experiments, that way you don't have to remake a whole new bow after a failure.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: skeaterbait on February 09, 2019, 08:35:36 AM

I wonder how paper would do for a veneer. It should be thin enough to soak up plenty of epoxy and I would think have virtually no affect on stack thickness (depending on the paper used)

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Post by: skeaterbait on February 09, 2019, 08:38:30 AM

It even comes in pink.


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Post by: Flem on February 09, 2019, 09:06:54 AM

Most fabric is going to be too thick. Printed rice paper is what you see in skis, surfboards, skateboards, etc.

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 09, 2019, 09:14:13 AM

I remember years ago Assenheimer had a patriotic bow with a blue riser that had american flag material under clear glass that he said was from Wal mart. Thinner would be better.

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Post by: goobersan on February 09, 2019, 10:37:44 AM

slightly compressed this stuff is .015" and I think its a cotton/poly blend
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Post by: kennym on February 09, 2019, 10:46:25 AM

Paul Schafer made them waaay back ..

And camo skivvies would be waaay better’n brown Roy ! Just sayin ...

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Post by: Bvas on February 09, 2019, 10:50:42 AM

Someone did a kids bow on here a few years back. I think they used leopard print cloth.

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Post by: Bvas on February 09, 2019, 11:34:56 AM

http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=145339.0

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: longrifle on February 09, 2019, 03:02:49 PM

Thanks guys for the input, I’m sure if I really get the cloth soaked in smooth on I should be fine. Sort of like making a thin linen micarta lam with camo cloth. I’ll be sure to post pics, it might be one of those FHLB like Kenny makes.

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Post by: Shredd on February 09, 2019, 08:07:42 PM

The Hunter epoxy may be better suited for this because it is thinner than smooth on...  It will saturate the cloth fibers better... I would definitely cut the cloth at least an 1/4" bigger than the lams...  At least in the riser area and a 1/3 the way up the limb...  The rest of the limb will be cut back to the profile taper any way...
     Lay out some butcher paper, put your fabric on top and work your resin in good with a squeegee... When done it may have a better bond between glass and core than just resin alone...  You can make some really cool bows using printed fabric...

    Last note...  I like using cotton...  I don't know if it makes a difference but I feel the the resin will saturate the fibers better than a man made fiber...

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: Shredd on February 09, 2019, 08:21:00 PM

  Here is one I did when I started making bows...

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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 09, 2019, 08:26:39 PM

That's nice, Rich.

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Post by: Shredd on February 09, 2019, 08:36:11 PM

   Not Nice...  Pimpin'...     :laughing: 

       Thanks Bro....

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Post by: skeaterbait on February 10, 2019, 02:06:06 AM

Quote from: Shredd on February 09, 2019, 08:07:42 PM

The Hunter epoxy may be better suited for this because it is thinner than smooth on... 

I hear a bit of talk about Hunter epoxy but I can't seem to find a price on it. How does it compare to EA 40?

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 10, 2019, 09:42:24 AM

Rosewood has it. I think $80 for quart of resin and pint of hardener. Probably good stuff but I aint changing till I have a reason. If you work the Smooth on in it will soak in the cloth.

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Post by: Flem on February 10, 2019, 09:44:17 AM

Quote from: Shredd on February 09, 2019, 08:21:00 PM

  Here is one I did when I started making bows...

Thats very cool looking!
Good thing I was not around when you were thinking of doing that. Shows what I know :knothead:

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: skeaterbait on February 10, 2019, 10:41:22 AM

Quote from: Crooked Stic on February 10, 2019, 09:42:24 AM

Rosewood has it. I think $80 for quart of resin and pint of hardener. Probably good stuff but I aint changing till I have a reason. If you work the Smooth on in it will soak in the cloth.

Thanks Mike. I have thought about trying it simply because it's thinner and I would like to try applying with a roller at some point. It seems like it would be quicker, easier and not having to apply pressure to thin veneers would lesson the chance of them breaking. Although, I have not had that happen yet.

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Post by: Shredd on February 10, 2019, 10:50:38 AM

If you are gonna use smooth on I would definitely warm up the resin that you are gonna use on the cloth to about 90 degrees...

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Post by: OkKeith on February 11, 2019, 01:55:14 AM

How would the camo netting work? It seems pretty thin.

Seems like I saw a post several years ago where someone used the old school WWII looking "Blob-o-flauge" and put it under clear glass, or maybe it was over. Not sure... slept since then.

I have been looking at the artificial snake skins Mike has on his Pine Hollow website. I think they are printed on cotton and look really good.

OkKeith

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Post by: Bob T. on February 11, 2019, 10:33:29 AM

World war 2 Camo netting is what Paul Schafer used back then.

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Post by: beachbowhunter on February 11, 2019, 01:13:04 PM

A friend of mine has used the camo netting from hunting blinds successfully. Just be prepared to use more smooth-on than you normally would.

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Post by: ty_in_ND on February 11, 2019, 02:00:18 PM

I've thought of messing around with having printed cloth under clear glass, but I wonder what the difference between going that route vs gluing the cloth on top of the fiberglass is.  I know I've seen how-to's about gluing snakeskins onto glass, but cloth is a bit thicker than snakeskin.

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Post by: Shredd on February 11, 2019, 06:21:17 PM

If you just glue the cloth on with an adhesive it should be fine...  But if you saturate the cloth with resin it may develop a bunch of small cracks...

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: longrifle on February 11, 2019, 07:12:25 PM

Would love to use WW2 camo netting if anyone has any???

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Post by: T Folts on February 15, 2019, 08:50:42 AM

I have made 2 woth cotton camo cloth. I used smooth on. Layed the bow up just like any other. You just have to leave the cloth wider as it does slip a little.

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2019, 09:16:29 AM

Thimking about this if you go a little extra on the smoothon let it soak for a bit I would think air the hose a little at a time like you should do the glue will get in the cloth ok.

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Post by: Robertfishes on February 15, 2019, 09:57:50 AM

One of my friends told me Mike Treadway built a bow with newspaper under the glass just to see what would happen... He said it worked. Sounds like it would be a pain during glue up since its paper..

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2019, 03:40:17 PM

Hmmm something to read while hunting  :bigsmyl:

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Post by: kennym on February 15, 2019, 09:00:30 PM

I reckon I’m gonna have to do this?  :biglaugh:

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Post by: hunting badger on February 15, 2019, 10:27:31 PM

Kenny's right Paul Schafer used to make them. I used to live in the same town as Paul and he showed me one of his camo bows, it had camo netting under clear glass. worked good!

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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 16, 2019, 06:39:56 AM

Do what Kenny newspaper??  Maybe PA. newspaper with pink tips  :bigsmyl:

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 16, 2019, 07:59:12 AM

Hey sticky, nuff outta you boy:)

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Post by: Pat B on February 16, 2019, 09:53:15 AM

I've used animal print tissue paper for decorative backing on selfbows and wood backed bows. I got it from an art supply catalog(Dick Blick I think). It comes in tiger and zebra stripes, leopard, giraffe and others. One problem is getting the thin, delicate tissue paper to lay flat. If you try to rearrange it once it has glue on it it tears. If I can recover some pics I'll post them.

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Post by: Pat B on February 16, 2019, 10:04:28 AM

Here's a bow I did 2 years ago. It has tiger and leopard print tissue paper on it. This was a gag decoration, I called her "Tacky".
(https://i.imgur.com/AaEWEwl.jpg)

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: hunting badger on February 16, 2019, 08:29:31 PM

 Pat, I think your name for that bow is appropriate! :biglaugh:

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Post by: Pat B on February 16, 2019, 10:23:11 PM

Oh, I really dolled her up.  :thumbsup:
(https://i.imgur.com/LTIkGeA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ELSYNrG.jpg)

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: Tim Finley on February 22, 2019, 11:04:14 AM

I bought some tiger printed material that is like a scarf very thin and you can almost see through. One day Ill get time to put it under the glass . Shouldn't be any different then any other lams .

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 05, 2019, 05:20:24 AM

Guys, I cleaned this up a little.

We need to be careful about crossing the line when it comes to trad gang rules.

Don't wanna see the bench section done away with.

Title: Re: Camo cloth under clear glass on limbs??
Post by: monterey on March 05, 2019, 05:57:45 PM

Sorry, Roy, I'm going to go sit in the corner for a while. :(

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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 05, 2019, 06:13:55 PM

Don't come out till I tell ya too.

LOL

 :laughing:

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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 05, 2019, 07:57:25 PM

Ok Mike, ya can come out now:)

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Post by: monterey on March 05, 2019, 10:47:56 PM

I'm baaaaack!

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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 06, 2019, 04:18:28 AM

 :laughing: :clapper:

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Post by: buckeyebowhunter on March 18, 2019, 10:14:35 PM

You guys that are using cotton fabric under the glass,  are you still using the same thickness core wood? Or do you have to accommodate for the cloth to add poundage? Might be a silly question but I'm still new to all this. Thanks!