Post by: klr650Teach on August 22, 2018, 10:39:40 AM
I'm moving into an old building that will be my new workshop space. I'll be building a workbench and shave horse for the shop. Are there any features for archery that could be incorporated into the design of these two shop appliances? Perhaps a longer bed on the shave horse for building trad bows? Or maybe a specialty vice for the bench? Or perhaps simply mounting the vice in a specific location to make life easier when building bows and arrows?
Any input will be appreciated. Tnx
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 22, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
Put 3/4" plywood on the top, glued and screwed down.
Then anchor the bench to the floor with lead anchors and 2" angle iron brackets.
Mount a vice on a corner, makes it easier to work both sides on the bow.
Pad the vice jaws with heavy leather or rubber.
Cover the table with heavy paper to keep the plywood clean, "of glue".
(http://i.imgur.com/7uFadM1.jpg) (https://imgur.com/7uFadM1)
Mount a vice in the center of the room, then you can work the whole way around the bow.
(http://i.imgur.com/cuLS3vz.jpg) (https://imgur.com/cuLS3vz)
Post by: EwokArcher on August 22, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 22, 2018, 01:25:18 PM
Post by: skeaterbait on August 22, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Post by: Surfifty on August 22, 2018, 03:16:56 PM
Post by: C. Johnson on August 22, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
Second, buy the biggest, most powerful dust collection system you can afford. No matter how much you spend, you (and your lungs) will be happy you did.
Finally, if you're adding power, wire as many 20amp outlets as you can fit. Consult an electrician for help doing this safely.
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 23, 2018, 08:50:47 AM
Make your workbench twice as big and twice as heavy as you think you will need. I do all my drawknifing on mine and it is so heavy it won't walk across the floor.
Here is my big heavy workbench as well as a small table I made just for glue-ups, BBO and the like. I have a heavy curtain rod running just under the table to hold all my 30+ C clamps.
(https://i.imgur.com/JE4Q6Se.jpg)
Another shot of my glue-up table;
(https://i.imgur.com/HfO0L5f.jpg)
Post by: Flem on August 23, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 24, 2018, 07:05:58 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 24, 2018, 07:18:45 AM
Post by: klr650Teach on August 24, 2018, 12:13:36 PM
Well so far my plans are to build a split top Roubo style bench for general woodworking that will have a wood leg vice and a tail vice for mounting materials between bench dogs for planing etc. The bench will be somewhere between 20-24 inches deep from front to back and somewhere between 6-8 feet long. I've not quite determined overall dimensions yet for the bench but initially I too wanted it in the middle of the floor so as to be able to use it from all sides. The top will either be laminated 2x4's or 2x6's and will weigh a few hundred pounds just for the top, then the legs and framework will also be heavy with 4x6 or 6x6 legs and 2x6's for the spreaders. I'll build some storage under the bench as well for tools making it even heavier. It won't be moving anywhere under any task. The bench top will be planed flat and true. No MDF or plywood. With the completed bench in the middle of the room I should have 4 feet or so on each side of free space and a lot more than that off the ends. My shop looks similar in size as Roy from PA's photo of his.
For machinery I have a Shopsmith with 4'' planer, bandsaw and scrollsaw attachments as well as the Shopsmith dust collector. I'm not really a power tool guy and prefer slower more meditative pace the hand tools give. But in a pinch the Shopsmith does pretty much all I require power wise.
As I started with an empty space with stone and mortar walls I had duplex receptacles installed on each wall and every 4 feet apart. That should provide me with enough power outlets and they are all steel conduit enclosed for safety.
For light as many have suggested, I already had LED tube lights installed for lighting at night and for daytime use when I had the new roof put on I had them install a full length skylight that runs down the middle of the shop from one end to the other. The LED's are great if I am right underneath them but I find as I get to the ends of the shop where I do machinery tasks such as grinding or turning on the lathe that there are areas that are a little on the dim side. I'll ad a couple more 4 foot fixtures in those areas. I like the idea of clamp on lights that I could just set up wherever I needed temporary additional lighting for doing dovetail work or perhaps scraping and final tillering processes, that could be real handy.
Why the centrally mounted vice? Yes I understand being able to get to all sides of the stave but if I have vices on the sides/ends of the bench......could I simply not just flip the stave end for end?
Post by: klr650Teach on August 24, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 24, 2018, 12:41:11 PM
:thumbsup: :laughing:
Post by: Ringbill on August 24, 2018, 01:40:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuJkl87NtNM
Post by: klr650Teach on August 24, 2018, 01:48:59 PM
I'll be down to visit so yer gonna need that bigger beer fridge..
:thumbsup: :laughing:
:help: :help: :help: :laughing:
Post by: klr650Teach on August 24, 2018, 02:08:15 PM
I also prefer to use hand tools and built my bench with laminated 2x4's for the bench top. 3 2x4's laminated for the legs. The benchtop is 29" x 72" and it does not move no matter what I am doing. The leg vice is still half way completed after 2 years. for some reason there is always something else to do than finish it. I do have a pattern makers vice which is great. Being able to adjust for a taper and flip it up comes in handy. I also carve decoys so it seems that most of what I do isn't square. If you are going to use 2x4's let them sit for a month or 2 in your shop to completely dry before gluing everything up. Kiln Dried 2x4's are typically dried to 20% moisture or something like that so they will shrink a bit. About a month after I built my bench I noticed that the legs we no longer parallel. The benchtop shrunk about 1/4" and I had to redo the stretchers and the bottom shelf.
Sorry to hear after all that work you put in that you had those problems with shrinkage. I think my problems here are going to be with humidity. Already I'm having great difficulty keeping my tools rust free. Back where we used to live in the Okanagan Valley the humidity was fairly constant of 30 - 40% year round. Down here in Mexico it can vary by as much as 40% depending on the time of year. So this is giving me some concern but it rarely drops below 60%. My beer fridge is going to be working overtime when Roy shows up :wavey:. That vice is just nuts. I've never seen one before. It looks super versatile. I'm sure the price tag is also just nuts! grin
Post by: klr650Teach on August 25, 2018, 12:25:00 PM
I'd do a freestanding stave voice or a large leather padded standard vice. I used pony clamps on my work bench for building self bows for a long time and it was effective but I always wanted to be able to work both sides. I'd fabricate one of those large square opening stave clamps on a free standing pole if I was still doing self bows. I built a shave horse late in my selfbow career but it honestly didnt get much use I was so used to clamping to a bench. I know they are great for a lot of people though.
EwokArcher for longer material to be shaved, shaped or otherwise worked on......I find the English syle a P.I.T.A. to work with as you have to withdraw the entire piece just to take it in and out of the clamping jaws. Whereas the dumbhead style allows you to place your material in and out of the clamping dumbhead from the side in and out. This saves a WHOLE lot of extra wasted movement and you won't need as much clearance in front or behind you for turning the piece end for end. The English style I think work and hold just as well as the dumbhead for shorter pieces but for the longer stuff the dumbhead is easier to work with.
An English style can easily be modified to accept a dumbhead for longer material. Cheers
Post by: fujimo on August 25, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
tons of experience collected there.
i will only add, and harp on about my favourite topic......
dust collection!!
please, if you can afford it, DONT buy those bag dust collectors- spend the money and get the best you can buy.
remember any solids ANY solids you breathe in, stay in your lungs, your lungs cant process the solids- thats what leads to emphysema etc.
many of those dust collectors claim a high-efficiency rate- but those are done in labs- everything perfectly clean, and with a short straight run of suction pipe.
a dust collectors inflow can only match the outflow- so if your filters or bags are dirty and effected by normal use- your suction is reduced, unless of course you are going to clean the bag and filters every 15 minutes :bigsmyl:
get a good cyclonic particle extractor that works between the impeller and the dust source.
those ones in a bucket- work well- and are better than nothing( i also use one that works in a std. 44gal drum)
but they are not as efficient as a proper cone shaped cyclone
this is the very best cyclonic dust extractor on the market,
http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/
they sell all the parts in a modular or complete package.
there are even plans if you want to build your own cyclone, or impeller - the whole deal.
you can buy kits to build your own, or start from scratch with just the plans, or build some parts, and buy some parts.
and they have a range of sizes from a shop vac size to their maxi size( which i have in my shop) with 8" mainline , and 6" drop lines.
please, as mentioned above, for your own safety( as mentioned above) please get the very best system.
beg, borrow or steal the money, the expense amortized over every day you spend in your dust free shop will just be pennies per day.
coz, if you are anything like the rest of us, once this bug bites, even if you dont have anything to make or build, you will find yourself just standing around and looking at things in your shop :biglaugh:
i know i do, i come to my senses, and find myself in my shop many times.
put a nice comfy old sofa or lazy boy chair in there( maybe within arms reach of the medicinal fridge) :)- great place to relax while yer waiting for glue to dry
Post by: klr650Teach on August 25, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
Post by: fujimo on August 25, 2018, 03:18:37 PM
good luck on your build!
i have friends here that built their own, with the plans- and it works really well.
and is an easy build
Post by: klr650Teach on August 25, 2018, 05:48:03 PM
Post by: fujimo on August 25, 2018, 06:16:34 PM
if its smaller, like you say, just empty it more often, but essentially it will be just as efficient as the bigger ones, just less capacity.
well done!!
ps, i think you can get the micro filters that go on the outfeed side- that will clean the air 99.99%.
use their filters as the wrong filter will restrict the outflow of air, then the inflow is compromised accordingly.
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 26, 2018, 10:00:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/41QnTDX.jpg)
Post by: klr650Teach on August 26, 2018, 11:40:55 AM
I put my dust collector in adjacent room to keep the noise and any dust that got through the filter bag out of my shop.
(https://i.imgur.com/41QnTDX.jpg)
Eric, that's a heck of an idea! :notworthy:
Post by: klr650Teach on August 27, 2018, 09:48:44 AM
yup, its those superfine particles that do the damage. its the stuff you want to get out.
good luck on your build!
i have friends here that built their own, with the plans- and it works really well.
and is an easy build
Fujimo, although I have already ordered my complete system I looked on their site for "plans" and used their search feature as well and nothing came up. Do you have a link for the DIY units? tnx
Post by: fujimo on August 27, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
sorry, i should have been more specific :knothead:
he offers all kinds of plans, and i think his son does the kits as well, all precut out and marked etc, and he gives all the resources for motors , impellers etc
http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/cyclone_plan.cfm
Post by: klr650Teach on August 27, 2018, 04:34:18 PM