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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: Pat B on July 09, 2018, 12:05:23 PM
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I searched but couldn't find the old "hickory backed lemonwood" thread. I had to grind off the hickory backing because it lifted a splinter. I wasn't sure about the boo I had to back it with but I thinned and shaped it anyway...
...jump ahead a few months. I finally decided to go ahead and back the lemonwood with the boo. I was expecting it to come out light but was I surprised. I rushed the glue up after resurfacing both the lemonwood and boo but without doing a thorough inspection. It held about 2 1/2" of reflex off the form but as you can see the reflex is uneven. Fortunately there is plenty of weight so I should be able to even up the tiller.
Here are a few pics...
(https://i.imgur.com/oH08qHz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rv4pej7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ar2wFH1.jpg)
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Nice, Pat..
This the thread ya want?
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=156603.msg2702410#msg2702410
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I guess I didn't look back far enough. Thanks Roy.
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Looks good what kind of adhesive ya using.
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I used Weldwood Plastic Resin.
It's been so long since I made a boo backed bow that I didn't even consider the node placement on this bow or even up the bend before glue up. I really wasn't expecting it to be very strong but boy was I surprised. I guess we'll see how she holds up. :dunno:
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I would bet that combo will make a solid durable bow ,I really like slightly reflexed strait long bows , one of my favorite natural material bows they make great smooth shooters :thumbsup:
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Well, I've got her shooting. She's 68"t/t and pulls about 50#@26". I still have to add the Tru-Oil finish, floppy rest and handle wrap. I'll post a full draw pic later when I can get Marcia to take one. Here are a few pics...
(https://i.imgur.com/mALEOjb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MDNcDfu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qpt1ZLl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q6WPd0F.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XZZCQXI.jpg)
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Very nice Pat it held it's profile nice at 68'' bet it's smooth drawing ! Looks like it has some positive tiller with the slightly more reflexed limb ?
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FRETS!!! :banghead:
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Dang. I hate when that happens. Are they really bad?
I have at least 5 bows with frets that shoot just fine (although I would rather them not be there)
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Wow I wouldn't of thought on a 68 '' bow I guess you never know that sucks !
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From what I've read, lemonwood is susceptible to fretting. I was concerned using the boo backing but it was the bad bend in the the lower limb that caused the frets. I was trying to relieve that bad bend by bring the bend back towards the handle when I noticed the frets. There are 3 or 4 across the belly and very obvious. I can't trust it.
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I read that too about lemonwood. Yeah if it's more than one and across the whole width that isn't good as I'm sure you realize. Man, was looking like a nice bow.
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That sucks, Pat.
It was looking real nice.
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I can't blame the lemonwood. I made a hickory backed lemonwood ALB a few years ago that is still shooting as far as I know. I rushed the process on this one without thinking it out first. Glued up with uneven tiller then overcompensation trying to tiller it out.
I won't burn it but I may re-purpose it. Atlatl anyone? ;)
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I finally got around to grinding down the lemonwood belly and added a thin strip of osage to each limb. I used TBIII because the Weldwood Plastic Resin was lumpy and I couldn't get it smooth. She's in the oven now. I turned the heat off after an hour and I'll let her rest in her bike tube bindings til tomorrow. This was a spur of the moment happening so I don't expect too much. Maybe I'll surprise myself. :cheesy:
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Damn,too bad it was looking good. Funny how fret describes a physical effect and the emotional response it causes. Do you think the reflex had something to do with the frets?
Where the heck do you get Lemonwood? I didn't think it was available, being from Cuba
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I got the lemonwood from a guy that had it for years. It is still available but quite scarce.
I think the problem was I got in a rush and my tillering was off. Lemonwood is susceptible to fretting but I built a similar bow a few years ago(it was hickory backed) that is a great shooter and as far as I know is still shooting well. I donated it to the raffle table at the Tenn Classic.
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How old is that Lemonwood, pre Castro? Wood does loose its elasticity with age. Lignins like other connective tissue degrade over time. I know mine has :saywhat:
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I believe this is pre-embargo lemonwood. The other piece I made a bow from did fine. Like I said I blame myself and not the wood, knowing that lemonwood is susceptible to fretting.
My lignins have definitely stretch out of shape after almost 69 years. :laughing:
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I took the bow out of her wraps yesterday sawed off the excess osage and today I rounded the edges of the osage and cleaned up the sides of both limbs and reshaped the fades where the osage belly goes on it.
The glue line isn't the best so I doctored that with superglue. I'll take her as she is now to the Tenn Classic and retiller her there. If she decides to blow at least I'll be in good company. :thumbsup: Here's a few pics..
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Looks like you got a trilam now!
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Hope it doesn't go to a quad. :laughing:
She's not the first tri-lam I've HAD to make. Might as well do what I can to make a shooter. :thumbsup:
I've only made one tri-lam on purpose and that was years ago.
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Well, here she is and her name is "Wilsheblo". She came through the process OK. I put a few dozen arrows through her yesterday and she shoots pretty good, nothing special but pretty good. She pulls 47#@26". I had to narrow the limbs to get the draw to a manageable weight because the osage belly lam was getting thin. Still no finish on her but I'll start that today, 5 to 6 coats of Tru-Oil with a satin poly over spray. I'll add a floppy rest and hemp cordage handle wrap.
As you can see the one limb still has more reflex at brace that the other. That was glued in initially and trying to even them up didn't work out for me.
Here are a few pics...
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Looks nice, Pat.
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Thanks Roy. I'm curious to see if she'll last hence her name "Wilsheblo". :saywhat:
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I think it'll last. Osage and boo are a strong combo, and you tiller looks spot on. Nice Pat. Looks like it would be a smooth shooter at that length.
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Bending very nice Pat.
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Here are a few finishing touches...
(https://i.imgur.com/5mxvGmU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/swp5mz7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FCP65X4.jpg)
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I dunno know, Pat.
It looks a little frail.
Maybe ya otta send it to me so ya don't get hurt if it blows up?
LOL... Nice Job..
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Roy, I keep waiting for the hammer to fall but so far she's holding up. Maybe she won't live up to her name. :dunno:
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I have a feeling she will be fine, Pat.
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Looks nice Pat! Your add on lams look like joinery, pretty cool :thumbsup:
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Not up close, Flem. It's all smoke and mirrors. :bigsmyl:
BTW, the handle wrap is hemp cord set in Massey finish. I used 2 colors of the hemp for a little contrast and of course a "Ferret's" Floppy Rest.
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Looks good, nice patina. I'm like you I prefer longer bows, I believe that one is 68 NTN. I'm just finishing off a bow its 67 NTN. I prefer the smoothness and cast of a longer bow besides been easier for me to tiller.
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:thumbsup: looks good