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Title: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 15, 2018, 08:09:05 PM
Later next week I will start stocking BearPaw clear and Stabilcore. Will be sold custom cut by the inch to save throwing any away .

Prices to follow when shipping is determined.

Thanks !  :notworthy:
Kenny
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 15, 2018, 08:23:19 PM
How will the Bearpaw be priced as compared to the Gordon's product?
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 15, 2018, 08:30:27 PM
It will be less, won’t know final pricing til I see shipping costs. Should know about Tuesday.

A side note , I have read you need to add about 5 lb to stack compared to Gordon’s. I will glue up a bow with it when it arrives to test .
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: skeaterbait on June 15, 2018, 08:38:27 PM
Will you be selling it by the roll as well?
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 15, 2018, 08:44:34 PM
I hadn't considered that yet, but I could I suppose.  There is 328' in a roll …...
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 15, 2018, 08:54:23 PM
Will you be selling it by the roll as well?

I had been thinking about buying a full roll myself, .040 clear.  I seldom use anything but clear and was thinking about buying in bulk to save money.

Kenny, I trust your opinion highly.  Do you think the Bearpaw is on par with Gordon's in terms of quality overall, but specifically in terms of durability, consistency, and clarity?
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 15, 2018, 08:56:34 PM
Also, what do you think about Stabil core vs uni-weft?  I've been using Uniweft and I think it's a great product, but a lot of guys swear by stabil core.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 15, 2018, 09:54:39 PM
Craig, I’ve never used or even had a piece of either to look over. I have had quite a few calls about both from folks wanting both. Pics of bows I’ve seen with the new clear have looked great.

Monterey’s bow with the cracks is the first one I’ve heard of that happening on and I asked the distributor if he had heard of any , he said no.

Sorry no hard facts yet on your question.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 15, 2018, 10:16:18 PM
OK, fair enough.  When you get some in stock, I'll place an order and try it out.  I don't mind guinea pig duty.  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 15, 2018, 10:54:22 PM
Guinea pigs have more fun!  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: skeaterbait on June 16, 2018, 06:42:55 AM
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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 16, 2018, 08:01:15 AM
Been using the clear for awhile now. Dont know if I noticed quite a 5 lb. difference maybe 2 or 3. It is very clear.   I have two bows with stable core. One longbow and one recurve. Noticed a lot of difference in the curve. A good person to ask about weight differences would be Bob at Sarrels archery.


 I am sure it does not hurt longbows but not as noticeable.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 16, 2018, 08:39:21 AM
I figured the stabilcore would help a bow with radical hooks more than a gentler curve on a longbow. 

Bob posted on a thread on FB that he was on roll 5  of clear Bearpaw and wouldn't use anything else.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 16, 2018, 01:25:33 PM


 :biglaugh:  Appropriate for many reasons.  Not the least of which is that I frequently wear a hat very similar to this one.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 16, 2018, 05:39:05 PM
Have glass cutting table set up except building 2 drawers


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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 16, 2018, 05:45:32 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180616/125f829f5bb539e1fa8e27d43e75cc07.jpg)


 Complete with air cutoff and dust collection system!

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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Buemaker on June 16, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
http://www.bearpaw-blog.com/bearpaw-powerglas-is-crystal-clear/
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: mwosborn on June 16, 2018, 11:34:31 PM
Well going to have to try some of that.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 17, 2018, 09:09:59 AM
Dang..

I may have to try a gwass bow build:)
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 17, 2018, 01:02:55 PM
OK, just send the Osage back and I’ll hook ya up!  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 17, 2018, 01:04:05 PM
And there is a charge for wiping drool off returned lumber....  :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Pago on June 17, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
Awesome, less components I need to get from another vendor!
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 17, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
I dunno...

May have to think about that one...

Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 17, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
You could always have an assistant wipe off the drool and pack it for you. :)
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 17, 2018, 10:44:15 PM
lol !!
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Bowjunkie on June 18, 2018, 05:53:58 AM
I may be interested in some glass. I've been putting off buying any, waiting for quality issues to 'clear up'. Since I prefer working on wooden bows anyhow, it doesn't take much to dissuade me from buying glass to begin with, throw in a streak or two, and I'm out. But I'm ready to redesign my longbow profile again and I think I have like just two or four pieces of glass left.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Bowjunkie on June 18, 2018, 06:03:24 AM
Hmmm... So, like 27-28 bows in a roll.

Man, a 328' roll of glass. Imagine if that thing got away from ya and sprung open in the shop like a giant itchy spider web  :o
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 18, 2018, 07:57:59 AM
Yep Jeff, it would be like a big spring coming off that coil. I have a containment plan,if it doesn't work, the shop will be a bad place to be when I cut the last coil fastener!! :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 18, 2018, 08:30:36 AM
I'd love to be there ifin it happens..

 :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Carpdaddy on June 18, 2018, 08:53:43 AM
Keep an eye on ole Roy, curiosity may make him cut the bands!
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 18, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
Not me..............

LOL

 :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: C. Johnson on June 18, 2018, 09:56:56 AM
What widths will you have available? 1 1/2", 1 3/4", and 2"?  Just clear, or black as well. Someone was telling me that Bearpaw doesn't manufacture 1 1/2" glass.  That doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 18, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
My first order was 1.5 and 1.75 crystal clear and stabilcore which is all 1 7/8” wide I believe. Probably metric on the stabilcore ?

I sell very very little 2” so probably won’t get that for a bit.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 18, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
Yup, the stabilcore is 1.88".  I only have enough for one bow right now.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Flem on June 19, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
Not familiar with Stabilcore, is it a carbon fabric, prepeg strip?
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 12:50:02 PM
Here is what Bearpaw says about it. I haven't used it but will be trying it soon...

Stabil-Kore is a light weight core material which gives bow limbs lateral and torsion rigidity. Stabil-Kore is a proprietary composite that can be used as an alternative to carbon to increase efficiency and add multi-directional attributes, reinforce limbs, increasing cast, and eliminating nearly all lateral twisting for better in-line recovery and more energy down range. Stabil-Kore is sanded on both sides and is used as a core material and can be used with carbon laminations.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Bvas on June 19, 2018, 01:27:30 PM
I’m curious how it’s physical weight compares to fiberglass and some of the common core woods.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 01:44:30 PM
More redneck testing may be required! :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 01:46:04 PM
I'd love to be there ifin it happens..

 :laughing:

I just saw this, pops!  328' would make several laps around my shop! Where would you stand to cut? In the middle?  :o
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 19, 2018, 02:23:51 PM
The stabilcore is very light.  Only .016 thick.  I have used it in five RD bows and while I can't attest to ALL of bearpaw's claims I'll say that it improves stability considerably.  If you are careful with the center line you can narrow the tips quite a bit and still maintain excellent stability.

I haven't used it in an ASL because I don't feel like that style bow will benefit but I'm ready to find out that I'm wrong (again :) ).
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 19, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
I'll add that it's easy to cut with high quality scissors.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
This will be the BearPaw glass test bow, Bocote riser and aboo cores with Bocote veneers. Riser will have phenolic and a wave in it... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180619/1cb47219127b47334becc3a27279ff33.jpg)


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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
Oh, it’s a TD so I can further test the drill jig I have.

The same spec bow with Gordon ul came in at 42@28


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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 19, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
Kenny are you going to increase the stack by the thickness of the SK or reduce the other core materials by the thickness of the SK?

For thems what are curious, this is what it looks like.

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Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
Mike, this one is just to see diff in glass between the two.  I've heard from heavier to 5# lighter...

I'm thinkin each set of lams may be different even from the same board, you might get more pressure at glue up for a thinner glue line, and different width on limbs by a few thou could all change the outcome.

I'm just finding out if there is any glaring difference. :)

When I try the SK, I will reduce stack by .016 since it's sposed to be stiff!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: monterey on June 19, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
Looking forward to seeing your results.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 19, 2018, 06:16:47 PM
Pops huh?
Ya want me to bring back the thumpin list, sonny boy?

I would stand at the door and video the theascial....

Then post it in here... :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Carpdaddy on June 19, 2018, 07:31:35 PM
 Considering the many test bows you have built, like the one your about to try, I gotta ask what are you doing with all those bows?? There has to be a page somewhere where test bows are sold to recover cost. Roy ain’t buying them there gwass bows but others may.
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 07:57:07 PM
Tony, don't have much prob getting them gone. Buddies, archery orgs , and such.  Easier to give away than a free hat! :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 19, 2018, 10:17:51 PM
"I would stand at the door and video the theascial...." 


Huh? Whassat?  :laughing:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: Roy from Pa on June 20, 2018, 08:02:48 AM
Don't know, made it up...

LOL
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: kennym on June 20, 2018, 08:41:37 AM
Dang, I thought I was gonna learn something!  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Coming next week!
Post by: skeaterbait on June 20, 2018, 12:58:35 PM
Tony, don't have much prob getting them gone. Buddies, archery orgs , and such.  Easier to give away than a free hat! :biglaugh:

Maybe throw the hat in with the bow....  :archer2: