Post by: Recurve7 on May 14, 2018, 07:05:15 AM
I use both, if I had to choose one though it would be tie on.
They are easy on my shooting glove. A little less weight also. Am I missing anything here?
Post by: katman on May 14, 2018, 07:25:07 AM
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Post by: Tedd on May 14, 2018, 08:29:07 AM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on May 14, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
I've had bow strings break right where the brass nocks were.
Tie on's are easier on my tab where brass nocks would mar it.
Post by: Bisch on May 14, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
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Post by: Red Beastmaster on May 14, 2018, 09:06:27 AM
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Post by: Terry Green on May 14, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
So if you do the time please keep super glue on it please or you may miss the chance of a lifetime....
Post by: Keefer on May 14, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Post by: A Lex on May 14, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Found Charlie Lambs tie on nock point in the "How-To's" (I think) here on Tradgang a few years ago, so now, after the nock point position has been established, a "Charlie" nock point is tied in.
These are brilliant, they will never ever move and easily last the life of the string.
Don't know how to add a link to the post, but a search should find it.
Best
Lex
Post by: Sirius Black on May 14, 2018, 05:30:44 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on May 14, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=108909.0
Post by: OkKeith on May 14, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Works great for my three under shooting.
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Post by: A Lex on May 15, 2018, 03:34:24 AM
Best
Lex
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Post by: Bisch on May 15, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
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Post by: LBR on May 15, 2018, 02:24:35 PM
IMO it boils down to using the right tool(s) for the job. Brass nocks require a quality tool to crimp them on smooth and round and not pinch the string underneath. Tie-on need to be the right material and tied on properly.
FWIW, I've been using brass nock sets for around 25 years, pretty much exclusively the first 15-18 years. I've helped coach a NASP team for 7 years (last 5 we've been North Half and State Champions), and we use tie-on nocks exclusively (brass isn't allowed in the NASP). I've had a lot of experience with both.
Post by: McDave on May 15, 2018, 03:58:44 PM
I have been mainly using Ryan Sanpei’s clinch knot. I like the 80# test bowfishing line from 3 Rivers for tying it. After trying a lot of things, I really liked the bowfishing line, so I ordered another 3 rolls of it, as it’s pretty cheap. A lot of times I decide I like something, and then they quit making it.
https://www.3riversarchery.com/braided-nylon-bowfishing-line.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/braided-nylon-bowfishing-line.html)
Post by: David McLendon on May 15, 2018, 04:28:43 PM
If I travel to a hunt and need to reassemble my bow it only takes a minute to put it right here it needs to be.
Post by: black velvet on May 15, 2018, 04:55:53 PM
Post by: Kelly on May 15, 2018, 05:21:41 PM
I have been mainly using Ryan Sanpei’s clinch knot. I like the 80# test bowfishing line from 3 Rivers for tying it. After trying a lot of things, I really liked the bowfishing line, so I ordered another 3 rolls of it, as it’s pretty cheap. A lot of times I decide I like something, and then they quit making it.
https://www.3riversarchery.com/braided-nylon-bowfishing-line.html (https://www.3riversarchery.com/braided-nylon-bowfishing-line.html)
Am I missing something here but in the picture looks like there are two places the arrow nock could rest on-no definitive edge like the brass.
Been using brass for almost 60 years with absolutely no issues, no cut tabs, no cut nocks, no slippage, very easy to adjust. FYI, the splice of the brass nock point should be directly opposite the arrow. This way there is no nock gouging nor any tab/glove cutting. Also just a little squeeze where the sharp edges of nock point takes care of the sharpness. When adjusting brace height do it in even numbers, 2, 4, 6 twists, etc. That way the splice will stay opposite the arrow.
Now for tie ons, I won't do them not because I can't learn how but because there is no definitive stop, slippage unless you glue it, then if you want to adjust it you can't. Have bought lots of used bows over the years with tie on nocking point. None of them were moveable and the vast majority were in the wrong place for my shooting so have to cut them off very carefully, urgh!
That said most of the brass nocking points I see on used bows are in the wrong place for my style but they are easily moved to a lower setting.
Post by: Rufus on May 15, 2018, 05:49:18 PM
This be what I use.
Post by: McDave on May 15, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
The arrow nock stops when it hits any part of the tied on nock, which is the part of the tied on nock that is closest to the arrow nock. The arrow nock won't slide up onto the second level of the tied on nock, if that's what you mean. One of the reasons I like the material I use is that it is thick enough to make a definite edge that the arrow nock hits. The thickness also keeps it from digging into the serving.
My experience is that people generally cinch down an adjustable nock when they get it where they want it. If they want to move it again, they have to cut it off and tie another one. I have never had Ryan's knot move after it is cinched down, and doesn’t require glue, so it is easy to cut off.
Post by: Gdpolk on May 15, 2018, 07:42:38 PM
I've had one instance when a tie on nock on the top moved a little bit despite even a touch of superglue being applied to the top of it. I likely didn't have enough glue on it to begin with AND it was on my practice string which had a LOT of shots in it and was pretty much ready to be replaced. I've never had a brass nock drift.
Pro's for tie on:
- lighter weight
- easier to adjust when tuning
- easier on arrows
- easier on fingers and/or release aids
Pro's for brass:
- more durable (although that's likely irrelevant since the string itself is also a wear component and tie on's consistently last for the lifetime of a string)
- easier to feel, especially in winter time with cold or gloved hands for arrow placement in low light
- marginally less likely in my experience to drift with use
For these reasons, with me shooting 3-under I put brass on the top to reduce the risk of nock point drift and a tie on for the bottom nock to reduce wear on my glove and keep the string as light as possible without sacrificing the dead holding power of the top nock which gets the majority of the stress for a 3-under shooter anyway. In the end they both work and both work pretty well and both methods have stood the test of time. I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do it but I go brass on the top and tie on for the bottom for the aforementioned reasons.
Post by: Bisch on May 15, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
Alternating overhand knot method, and I also use BCY Nock Tying Thread
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Post by: two4hooking on May 16, 2018, 12:28:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SbiX4DX.jpg) (https://imgur.com/SbiX4DX)
Post by: Tedd on May 16, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgk0y4WFRK0
Post by: McDave on May 16, 2018, 08:11:05 PM
Post by: Kelly on May 16, 2018, 09:05:05 PM
Post by: smokin joe on May 17, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
Here is the link to the Trad Gang thread I posted about the nock points I have used for the last 7 or 8 years:
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=104981.msg1973547#msg1973547
Post by: Lakerat007 on May 17, 2018, 04:35:42 PM
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Post by: kevsuperg on May 18, 2018, 09:43:43 AM
I don't always have a brass nock and pliers with me but I always have some Paracord.
Pull it apart and use a single strand to make a very serviceable nock point should my nock point come loose.
Post by: Steve D on May 18, 2018, 10:53:17 AM
Post by: McDave on May 18, 2018, 12:20:40 PM
I am surprised by the overwhelming majority of tie ons. I made one once about 20 years ago when I ran out of brass. Didn't like it at all. Nearly everyone I hang with uses brass.
I would imagine the overwhelming majority of people use brass nocks, and are no more interested in a discussion of brass vs tied-on nocks than they would be in a discussion of hand made vs machine made paper clips.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 18, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on May 18, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
I use a stapler...
:biglaugh:
Post by: McDave on May 18, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
Are you crazy? Machine made paper clips are far superior. :saywhat:
That's because you've evidently not tried a paperclip made from the spring steel salvaged off an abandoned clicker. There must be thousands of clickers out there free for the asking that people have tried once or twice and then put in a drawer because they didn’t like them. Get the spring steel from two of those babies and a pop rivet and you're in business! To put icing on the cake, the hole for the pop rivet has already been drilled! Which is hard to do in spring steel!
Post by: Charlie Lamb on May 18, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Post by: McDave on May 18, 2018, 08:38:36 PM
youtube? :goldtooth:
I don't want to make it too easy for you guys until I have my patent.
Post by: Orion on May 19, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
However, now I use masking tape. I shoot skinny carbons and not so skinny woods so am often changing nocking point heights. Four wraps of 3/4-inch masking tape above and below the arrow nock and I'm good to go. It's remarkably durable, though certainly not as durable as brass or a tie-on. But it's a whole lot easier to remove and change. It takes about a minute per nock point to pull the old tape and wrap on new.
Post by: Bldtrailer on May 19, 2018, 11:39:57 PM
Post by: BowHunterGA on May 21, 2018, 07:59:12 AM