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Title: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 14, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
On Wednesday evening, my 4 year old chocolate lab named Bruce passed away.  He was walking out in a neighbors field and the neighbor decided to kill him with a rifle.  He also decided to shoot my other dog that was with him.  He was shot a couple times and has a surgically repaired broken leg now.  My wife and I are heartbroken.   Neither dog was causing any kind of harm, and these senseless acts were completely illegal.  Nothing will ever bring my buddy back.  He loved everybody and never met a stranger, sweetest dog you could ask for.  I just hope that maybe someday that we can roam the woods together again.  Rest in peace my friend.

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Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on April 14, 2018, 06:17:29 PM
Sorry to hear Jake.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Pine on April 14, 2018, 06:20:30 PM
Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 14, 2018, 06:25:14 PM
That just is not right.

So sorry to hear this.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: A Lex on April 14, 2018, 06:28:23 PM
Really sorry to hear this Jake
They are indeed mans best friend
Lex
Title: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Sawpilot 75 on April 14, 2018, 06:36:38 PM


I'm super upset to hear that happened. I think I would loose my mind if someone did that to my dogs. I'd probably end up on the news.. So sorry for your loss Jake. Terrible. Prayers for you and family.


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Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Lowrider on April 14, 2018, 06:41:54 PM
Jake I am sorry to hear this. I just can't imagine someone cruel enough to do this. Please tell me you pressed charges and the neighbor was arrested.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Gator1 on April 14, 2018, 06:54:55 PM
Thats cruel.  I'm sorry for you're loss.  That neighbor should be arrested.

Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: arrow30 on April 14, 2018, 07:03:35 PM
I was in the same exact place you are now, almost exactly a year ago. I feel your pain bro. I still feel the anger!
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Orion on April 14, 2018, 07:07:02 PM
I agree with Lowrider.  The SB should be prosecuted. Even if your dog was on his land, it still doesn't justify shooting.  Do bring it to the attention of the authorities. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 14, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
I am mad, sad, sick, and just lost in general. I'm going to do everything in my power to ruin this guy. He has a history of crap like this, but he killed the wrong dog this time.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Steve Clandinin on April 14, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
So sorry to hear this ,my son has the exact same dog,couldn't imagine loosing her.I would be taking action legal or otherwise,that's just me.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: McDave on April 14, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
My dog is my constant companion and best friend.  To lose her in such a callous manner would make me heartsick.  Certainly the person who shot your dog should be prosecuted, if possible.  Since he shot your dog so openly, with no attempt to conceal what he did, I suspect he may have the law on his side.  But you should certainly find out about that, as I'm sure you will. 

Ironically, people have been prosecuted recently for shooting bears that broke in and were in the process of ransacking their houses at Lake Tahoe, as the bears are protected there, but there was a story about a year ago about a rancher who shot two dogs some ladies had taken onto his land.  There was no livestock around at the time, and the ladies were just looking for a place in the country to take their dogs for a romp.  But a rancher is allowed to shoot any dogs running loose on his property without warning.  Other than the newspaper warning people not to do that, there wasn't anything anybody could do about it.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Rough Run on April 14, 2018, 08:08:02 PM
I am so sorry for your loss.  My lab is my nearly constant companion.  He is 12-1/2 years old, and not well.  I have had time to prepare for what is next, so I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel.  The type of person that would commit such a heinous act deserves far less compassion than the law will provide, but I hope you can see that he gets every ounce of its weight.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: ron w on April 14, 2018, 08:16:00 PM
So sorry for your loss.........I would be in jail about now. I hope you can have that jerk arrested and jailed or fined big time.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: recurve3 on April 14, 2018, 08:47:50 PM
I agree with Ron W, i would be in jail if anyone shot my 7 yr yellow lab. Make me sick to my stomach thinking about your loss.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Hermon on April 14, 2018, 09:51:36 PM
So sorry to read about this.  We had to put down our 6 year old lab last fall when she came down with an untreatable disease.  She was a great dog.  Couldn't imagine losing a dog in this manner. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Ari_Bonn on April 14, 2018, 09:59:15 PM
That is terrible,   I hope you are able to make this hateful dirty scum  pay. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: kennym on April 14, 2018, 10:16:51 PM
Jake, sorry ,I hate to hear that.

If I'm not mistaken, it is against the law in MO to shoot a dog unless it is harassing livestock. I would talk to the sheriff quickly if you intend to do anything about it.



Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: gpa fishin on April 14, 2018, 11:21:12 PM
Sorry for your loss
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 06:20:19 AM
I have already filed reports for criminal charges and am waiting to hear back about what the next step is. I will keep climbing the ladder until I get the resolution I want. I have also been in contact with a lawyer. This man also has a his own local business and a Facebook page for it. Word spreads fast and social media is a good platform to let everybody know what kind of person they would be doing business with.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Tater on April 15, 2018, 06:57:26 AM

  Jake,
   So sorry to hear this, I can only imagine how you and Hannah must feel. If there is anything I can do let me know.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: huntryx on April 15, 2018, 07:45:04 AM
Sounds as if there are a lot of us who would suffer awfully if such a thing happened to our "best friends". I have a chocolate lab (and a black one, too). They are the most harmless and good-natured critters on the planet. I just don't understand this kind of cruelty. Can you press charges? Won't get your pal back, but this guy should have some consequences for this inhumane behavior. Please take care of yourself. You are in my thoughts.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 07:49:19 AM
I am waiting to hear back from the county about pressing charges. So far, there has been total incompetence on their part. I had to inform them of the laws about killing dogs in Missouri. A deputy is supposed to call me back tomorrow and let me know what is going on. If I don't get the result I'm looking for, I will be arranging a meeting with both the sheriff and prosecuting attorney.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: CRM_95 on April 15, 2018, 08:40:09 AM
Quote from: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 07:49:19 AM
I am waiting to hear back from the county about pressing charges. So far, there has been total incompetence on their part. I had to inform them of the laws about killing dogs in Missouri. A deputy is supposed to call me back tomorrow and let me know what is going on. If I don't get the result I'm looking for, I will be arranging a meeting with both the sheriff and prosecuting attorney.

Sorry for your loss...it's ridiculous that some people will shoot a dog simply for being on their property even when they aren't bothering anything. As far as the criminal charges,  if you don't get a phone call I'd show up in person and ask for a supervisor. Even if the sheriff isn't in there will be a Sgt, Lt, some sort of shift supervisor on duty. Politely make it clear that you aren't going away and you expect them to help you!!!
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 15, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
Another way to draw attention to this would be to have the local paper or tv station come and interview you, then they could put it in the paper or on the news..

Just take the high road and do things right, don't lower yourself to that scums standards..
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: kennym on April 15, 2018, 08:58:13 AM
Roy is correct on that. There is usually something in the deer regs about shooting dogs also, have you talked to your game warden also?
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 09:06:38 AM
I have been in contact with the game warden. Luckily he is a friend of mine and we grew up together. He had the same situation occur to him with his 4year old lab in October. He is doing everything he can to help me out. The problem is that he isn't the game warden for my county. The county line runs between my property and where they got shot. That's what is causing some of the issues right now. The county I live in has been accommodating in every way. The other county sheriffs office has been the problem. They said there was no ordinance against killing dogs in the county. I had to inform him that their county laws don't mean anything, because the state laws will override any county laws or ordinances. So that's what I'm waiting to hear back on. I had to give the guy the statute numbers to look up to show that it was illegal. He said he was going to look at them and then see if the prosecuting attorney will do something or not. One way or the other, I will be having a face to face visit with the prosecuting attorney. I have a folder full of evidence to present to him. And the guy admitted to 2 officers and my BIL that he shot the dogs.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Sam McMichael on April 15, 2018, 10:06:03 AM
In your sadness and anger toward your evil neighbor, don't allow yourself to do anything illegal or unethical. Outside of that, I hope you can ruin him. Remember, though, if he will do that to animals he will likely do it to people. The loss of a pet is sometimes just like losing a family member. I am sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: kerry on April 15, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
I don't understand why someone would  do that and I'm left wondering how I would respond my friend was shot. I'm sorry this happened.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Preston Lay on April 15, 2018, 10:19:08 AM
I can't imagine what I would do. It would be the same as someone shooting my wife or son. All I can say is it would be the biggest mistake someone could make. I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Terry Green on April 15, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
It sounds to me like you have a terrorist a neighbor that's horrible I couldn't even imagine having to live next to somebody that did that to one of my dogs
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: the rifleman on April 15, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
I am very sorry for your loss.  Dogs become an irreplaceable part of our lives.  Their loyalty and love are unconditional and my heart goes out to you.

I would also recommend getting local media involved.  Law enforcement and prosecutors are basically worthless entities and unless kicked in the pants generally won't get out of their own way.  The slob that you spoke to didn't even know the law and that's about all he has to know in his job.  As another on here said I hope you are able to use the system to ruin this idiot.  Barring that I am sure there is a special spot in hell for him.  Keep your cool and don't let this lead you into trouble.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 10:33:29 AM
A little more backstory on this guy. He has shot at people that were searching for a deer on my neighbors property. Not his property, but another neighbors property. He has also told my neighbor that he has watched him in his scope while he was on his tractor. These people have all agreed to testify against him if this makes it to court for criminal charges.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Car54 on April 15, 2018, 11:06:16 AM
Be careful!  This guy sounds like a sick-o. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: T Sunstone on April 15, 2018, 11:20:57 AM
I'm so sorry I think I might be in jail also.  I know 1 thing, he would never have a day of peace again.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: elkken on April 15, 2018, 11:23:53 AM
A very sad situation. Pets are family and provide unconditional love. I hope you get justice, just be careful and not get shot yourself.   
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Terry Green on April 15, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
Is this sounds like a terrorist instead if a neighbor!!!

oh he wouldn't like it very much if I was his neighbor?
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
Well, luckily he is an idiot and told both officers that interviewed him, as well as my BIL, that he shot the dogs.  He already admitted his guilt, thinking that he can just shoot any animal on his property that he pleases.  Both of my dogs were collared, and it was the first time that they had ever been to his property.  They were out of my view for approximately 7 minutes.  They went in the woods behind my house and made their way to his property.  I was walking back to my house to get my 4 wheeler to go get them and I heard him open fire.  He shot approximately 15 times.  My lab was shot once in the head at about 130 yards from his driveway.  He was wearing a bright orange collar.  I've been in contact with a state trooper that used to live close by and has dealt with him.  He knows what kind of person he is and is going to make some phone calls as well.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Woodpuppy on April 15, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
Jake, I'm so sorry. I've had labs for half a lifetime, wonderful companions. Nearly worthless for security, but good with the kids. Were I in your shoes I'd have to take a deep breath and remember I couldn't provide for my kids from prison. Your "neighbor" needs to meet with a series of unfortunate events, but I'd settle for criminal conviction, financial responsibility for the whole thing including pain and suffering, loss of his guns due to felony conviction, thorough web shaming, and replacement cost for a lab.

Watch yourself, this guy sounds like he'd come after you. Keep your powder dry.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: imbowhunt10 on April 15, 2018, 12:46:53 PM
My heart goes out to you for your loss, and the way it was caused. Continue to keep a clear head, and your integrity by staying on the legal path you are following.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: reddogge on April 15, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
I guarantee where I live it is illegal to just kill a dog. It comes under the animal cruelty laws. People who do so regularly wind up in the paper, on trial, and in jail.

I'm sorry for your dogs. Dogs are truly man's best friend and your neighbor is a rotten SOB.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: stevem on April 15, 2018, 03:54:46 PM
Sorry.  I have a brown lab that I love and can't imagine losing him like this.  Hope your neighbor gets a just reward.  I agree about seeing if the local newspaper would write an article, including the neighbors name ad business. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Sirius Black on April 15, 2018, 04:14:02 PM
Sorry. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: T Sunstone on April 15, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
What's the name of his business and Facebook page, I'd like to make a post. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 05:17:19 PM
I'm going to wait a bit before starting a Facebook smearing of his name. I just don't want to jeopardize any chances I may have of getting him prosecuted. I'll let the world know once I find out more details.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Killdeer on April 15, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
Looking at my rescued Jindo, with all her baggage, I just have to cry.
Abused, rounded up by the county and adopted, I have given her all the love and encouragement I could come up with. I have no children, she and my husband are my family.

A dog is about as mentally competent as a four or five year old child. My dog, one at a time, is my substitute child, I care for her as I would any family member. I have been fear-bitten, and have forgiven and learned.

God help any who would harm her. I do my best to keep her from stressful situations, and she is rarely unleashed.

Your case is far different, with a kindly pet who was killed for whatever sick gratitude this person felt entitled to. May he meet Justice.

Your beloved pup will live in my heart. I may not remember the name, but the crime will petition for justice in my soul.

Killdeer
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Whip on April 15, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
Like many on here, I fear for what my reaction might have been if someone shot my dog.  You are handling in the best way possible and I hope that justice is swift. Criminal prosecution, civil lawsuit for damages, and destroying his business and reputation should all be pursued.  The man is a piece of garbage and should be treated as such.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Macatawa on April 15, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: Roy from Pa on April 15, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
Another way to draw attention to this would be to have the local paper or tv station come and interview you, then they could put it in the paper or on the news..

Just take the high road and do things right, don't lower yourself to that scums standards..

Yes...I believe that Roy is providing a solid and appropriate approach.....hang in there brother!!
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: David McLendon on April 15, 2018, 09:24:21 PM
Focus your anger and grief on sticking to the path your on, I admire you for that, I'm afraid that I'd have an overpowering urge to break his legs and throw him into a crowded hog pen.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Pointer on April 16, 2018, 06:17:39 PM
Sorry to hear that Jake
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: finkm1 on April 16, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
Sorry for your loss. I'm on my third lab in almost 30 years. Like a few others, I would be sitting in the County Jail if I were in your shoes. Stay the course and keep us posted on the outcome.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: rraming on April 16, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Sorry to hear about this. Around here the humane society would have the guy in jail as fast as if you shot a person. I have always owned labs, great companions.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Zradix on April 17, 2018, 12:15:34 PM
Very sorry to hear this.
I too would be fit to be tied.
As someone else has said....be careful around this guy..He's obviously a looney tune and a dangerous one at that.

Take the high road...and take it as far as you need to.

Good luck on getting some kind of satisfaction that the sum b!+c# is gonna pay.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Tradcat on April 17, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
I'm so sorry Jake. I know how you feel. What a beautiful dog
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Terry Green on April 17, 2018, 01:02:43 PM
I just remove someone's post because they labeled a group of people that do this and we're not doing that here we're not going political we're not going to label a group of people that do this it's not only blonde haired people that kill people in Chicago so don't bring your name labeling stuff here don't do it it ain't happening take it somewhere else..... this same so cold label group you named  would go to the end of the Earth to save people's dogs....

assholes do that how about that?
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: huntryx on April 17, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
I think "a**holes" covers it.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Bladepeek on April 19, 2018, 02:10:52 PM
I hate to think how I would react to something like this. My wife was killed in a car accident April of last year by a man with 18 points on his license. It is a 1-year misdemeanor in Michigan. Shooting a dog intentionally, however, is a felony here.  Regardless of how it comes out in a criminal court, I'd take that guy for every penny he has in a civil action.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: varmint101 on April 19, 2018, 04:19:00 PM
Wow, I couldn't imagine!  Hope he gets what he deserves!
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 19, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
Thank you all for the kind thoughts and well wishes.  So far, nothing has happened.  I can't get the deputy that responded to the call that night to call me back.  So, I called to talk to his supervisor.  Turns out he is on vacation.  I have to wait until Wednesday for him to come back on duty.  We have also been in contact with a lawyer, but we are waiting to see what will happen with the criminal charges first. I also got some interesting info earlier tonight.  Turns out that there is another guy that he did this to within the last year.  I am going to contact him to see what happened.  I don't know what the statute of limitations for filing a report on something like this is, but I would like to at least see what the whole story is from this other guy.  I would love it if this guy could get the misdemeanor put on the guy that shot our dogs.  I would then try to get him on the 2nd case and it would be a felony at that point.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: McDave on April 19, 2018, 10:59:27 PM
It must be maddening to have to wait while someone is on vacation, but the wheels of the law turn very slowly, and you just have to hang in there.  I would imagine that everyone involved other than you just wishes it would go away, so you have to be willing to keep the wheels moving all by yourself.  I hope for the sake of my dog and all the other dogs that could one day be in the same situation that you are able to keep the wheels turning.  If you end up with a misdemeanor, that would be a victory.  It might keep him from doing it to the next dog where it would be a felony.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on April 20, 2018, 12:05:42 AM
Just read this and it is infuriating. So sorry for the loss of your dog and the injury of the other...how is that one doing with recovery?
Be patient, but be persistent. Your so-called "neighbor" can't just open fire on dogs no matter what his story. The fact he shot both of them is also incriminating and shows a vicious streak on his part.
Justice will prevail. In the mean time, you have my sympathy.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: David McLendon on April 20, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
Quote from: JakeD on April 15, 2018, 10:33:29 AM
A little more backstory on this guy. He has shot at people that were searching for a deer on my neighbors property. Not his property, but another neighbors property. He has also told my neighbor that he has watched him in his scope while he was on his tractor. These people have all agreed to testify against him if this makes it to court for criminal charges.

You really need to locate these people and see if they would be willing to come forward to the Prosecuting attorney with their experiences. Shooting at people is a crime an shows a definite predisposition for violence and would carry a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Bamboozle on April 20, 2018, 07:40:37 PM
I'll always remember early in my Law Enforcement career, I went on a call of a man who shot a dog. Turns out he was a construction worker on a job site in the country where some local dogs figured out if they went to the construction site at lunch time, the workers would feed them goodies. Anyway, this fellow who had partaken in feeding the dogs for days had just poured a driveway. Here comes the Irish setter......you guessed it....right across the new pour. This guy was so enraged he got a .44 mag out of his truck and shot a front leg off the setter. The other workers were ready to string him up and he had to make a hasty getaway.
That bonehead ended up paying dearly for being an ass. He actually thought I could not arrest him if he met with me on the other side of the county line. :biglaugh:I would stop in occasionally and pet that dog for some years afterward if I was in that part of the county and saw him out. He got around pretty well on three legs. Great dog. Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: arrow30 on April 20, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
shooting dogs in Missouri is pretty common, since people with cattle are protected under .(protecting their livleyhood). and they use it as an excuse to just shoot any dog on their property weather they are messing with the cattle or not.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JMR on April 21, 2018, 12:18:49 AM
I commend you on your control. My dogs are like my children. If you mess with them, you mess with me. I hope there is some sort of closure on this for you.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Airdale on April 22, 2018, 02:15:04 AM
You mentioned lawyer, may be your best bet.  Cost money, let us know and we will get the ball rolling.  Can't spend to much to prosecute the SOB.  I am an old man with not a lot of time left, no one to leave my stuff to so I will stand for $500. if needed.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Lowrider on April 23, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
Airdale  :clapper:
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on April 24, 2018, 11:17:02 AM
Who in their right mind would shoot a dog out walking in a field, anyway? :dunno:
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 24, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
Airdale, that is a very generous offer.  I really do appreciate it, but it isn't necessary.   

I am hoping to hear back from the sgt. tomorrow sometime.  I'm ready to know something for sure about what they intend to do with this guy.  I have a feeling that they won't charge him with anything, but you never know unless you push the issue.  On a more positive note, my dog that survived is doing very well.  He has started to put a little bit of weight on his leg that was operated on.  He seems to be getting around extremely well on 3 legs for now.  It won't be long and he will be back to normal. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Airdale on April 24, 2018, 05:58:51 PM
Great learning your other pal is on the mend.  I just do not understand what makes some people act like your neighbor.  Please keep us informed Jake.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on April 24, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
In most states dogs are considered property. At the very least he should be responsible for the replacement cost of the one and medical costs for the other. Hope he gets more
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: arrow30 on April 24, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
hangem high and letem swing!  hope it goes your way Jake.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: David McLendon on April 24, 2018, 08:31:46 PM
He needs proper punishment, GOD help him if he could get what I have in mind, he surely deserves it.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: DanielB89 on April 26, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: JakeD on April 24, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
Airdale, that is a very generous offer.  I really do appreciate it, but it isn't necessary.   

I am hoping to hear back from the sgt. tomorrow sometime.  I'm ready to know something for sure about what they intend to do with this guy.  I have a feeling that they won't charge him with anything, but you never know unless you push the issue.  On a more positive note, my dog that survived is doing very well.  He has started to put a little bit of weight on his leg that was operated on.  He seems to be getting around extremely well on 3 legs for now.  It won't be long and he will be back to normal.

I may have missed it, but, did your dog lose it's leg? 


I would have a hard time sleeping knowing someone like that lived close.  There is no limits to what someone like that will do.  If he has shot at a human on wouldn't that be attempted man slaughter? 

Either way, I would have a burning anger that isn't very beneficial.  I will echo what everyone else has said and what you seem to be doing, don't take justice into your own hands.  A lot of times the law doesn't work out our way.  Although it sucks, we can't do much about it and still be a good husband and father.  I hope justice is served. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Matty on April 26, 2018, 05:18:54 PM
I'm so terribly sorry for your loss.
Like Killdeer said. For those if us without kids our pets are them. They mean the world to us. Right down to the Ducks!
You are a better man than I.  And I wish you the strength and tolerance that I do not have for people like this. The next place he'd be seen is on a milk carton.
I hope this works out in your favor.
Be strong my friend
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on April 26, 2018, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: DanielB89 on April 26, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: JakeD on April 24, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
Airdale, that is a very generous offer.  I really do appreciate it, but it isn't necessary.   

I am hoping to hear back from the sgt. tomorrow sometime.  I'm ready to know something for sure about what they intend to do with this guy.  I have a feeling that they won't charge him with anything, but you never know unless you push the issue.  On a more positive note, my dog that survived is doing very well.  He has started to put a little bit of weight on his leg that was operated on.  He seems to be getting around extremely well on 3 legs for now.  It won't be long and he will be back to normal.

I may have missed it, but, did your dog lose it's leg? 


I would have a hard time sleeping knowing someone like that lived close.  There is no limits to what someone like that will do.  If he has shot at a human on wouldn't that be attempted man slaughter? 

Either way, I would have a burning anger that isn't very beneficial.  I will echo what everyone else has said and what you seem to be doing, don't take justice into your own hands.  A lot of times the law doesn't work out our way.  Although it sucks, we can't do much about it and still be a good husband and father.  I hope justice is served.

No, my dog did not end up losing his leg.  Had he gotten an infection after the operation, chances were good they would have to amputate part of it.  But he is doing quite well now.  I don't know how, but he has already been putting quite a bit of weight on it and was trying to run earlier today while I had him out on his leash. 

The reason that he didn't get in trouble for shooting at people before was because it was dark and the people that got shot at couldn't actually see him.  They could hear the bullets in the trees, but since there were no witnesses nothing could be done.  That's what was told to me by an officer that dealt with it. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: pdk25 on April 26, 2018, 09:31:28 PM
Sorry for your loss.  Our dogs are like our children, and that is why we have our property mostly perimeter fenced near the house, in order to keep them off of the neighbor's property.  In Oklahoma, you are allowed to shoot stray dogs if they are harrassing your livestock, and tons of people have cattle.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: pdk25 on April 26, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
In fact, I have been on the other end of this, when roaming pit bulls tore up a horse of mine, and if you report it, they tell you the dogs aren't licensed and nobody will claim ownership and pay for the damage.  It makes people less tolerant of the next dog they see around their livestock.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: McDave on April 27, 2018, 11:06:29 AM
It's ironic that dogs can be shot on sight if they are seen loose in livestock pastures in many areas of the country, but look at the hoops you have to jump through if you want to take a wolf that has been killing your livestock!  https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/wag/handouts_121913_WAG.pdf  (https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/wag/handouts_121913_WAG.pdf)
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: DanielB89 on April 27, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: pdk25 on April 26, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
In fact, I have been on the other end of this, when roaming pit bulls tore up a horse of mine, and if you report it, they tell you the dogs aren't licensed and nobody will claim ownership and pay for the damage.  It makes people less tolerant of the next dog they see around their livestock.

Pat,

I think there is always the other side of the coin.  I would have no problem killing an animal that was harming my animal, but I can't even kill a bird anymore without a purpose.   
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on June 28, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
I know it's been awhile, but I have an update for this.  After my continued calls to the sheriff's department, I finally got somebody that was willing to listen and give me some assistance.  The guy that I spoke with is going to send this to the prosecuting attorney and see where it goes from there.  If there are no criminal charges filed against the scumbag, then I am going to file a civil suit against him and get every dime that I can. 

My other dog that was shot is still doing okay.  He is still limping around some, just trying to build up strength in the leg that got shot.  It's not slowing him down much though, he still likes to run to the edge of my yard and bark at my in laws when they drive by on the 4 wheeler.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Bowguy67 on June 28, 2018, 09:10:12 PM
You're not aggressive enough. He'd be worrying more about me than the cops believe me. I'm not condoning violence but I don't think I'd be as level headed as you
Very sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: madmaxthc on June 28, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: JakeD on June 28, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
The guy that I spoke with is going to send this to the prosecuting attorney and see where it goes from there.  If there are no criminal charges filed against the scumbag, then I am going to file a civil suit against him and get every dime that I can. 


Hey, JakeD, I am sorry for what happened to your dogs. You're doing the right thing, forget all the "if it were my dog, I'd..."
It might take time and stress, but I am glad you are keeping your head on your shoulders.

Good luck
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: McDave on June 28, 2018, 09:56:16 PM
I think Jake is probably doing the best he can.  A lot of us on the sidelines who love dogs, which includes me, would be happy if he would go over an wring the guy's neck.  But then Jake's life would be ruined, and his dog would still be gone.  Or maybe the neighbor would turn the tables and wring Jake's neck, and claim self-defense.  No, the only reasonable course is what Jake is doing: try to get law enforcement interested in prosecuting it, or if they're not interested, sue the guy if he can find a lawyer that thinks he wouldn't just be wasting his money.  You do your best, and then move on.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: RJonesRCRV on June 28, 2018, 10:01:22 PM
I commend you for keeping your actions civil.  I know most people would want to take matters into their own hands, but at the end of the day its better to be level headed than to do something rash and end up with charges against yourself.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on June 28, 2018, 10:05:39 PM
I miss my dog every single day, and nothing is going to bring him back.  My wife and I loved him like he was our little kid.  He was with me all the time, and loved going places with me and roaming the woods.  He was taken away from us and nothing about it is right.  The best that I can do for him at this time is to try and get him some justice.  The guy that killed him needs this on his record so that he will get a felony if he does it again.  Maybe it will save somebody else from going through the heartache that we are still dealing with.  As much as I want to go beat his face in, it won't help me get him prosecuted.  I can't get much done from inside a jail cell.  Trust me when I say that I would love to go give him the treatment that he deserves.  I just have to remind myself that I have to keep a level head and get to this guy through legal means.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: kennym on June 28, 2018, 10:22:31 PM
You are handling it as it needs to be Jake. No matter how much the guy needs it, it won't help the cause. If it ends up being a felony, he shouldn't be able to possess a gun anymore.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Possum Head on June 28, 2018, 10:38:44 PM
Yep, what Mcdave and KennyM said is the wise coarse. Hope the situation works in your favor.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: TIM B on June 29, 2018, 12:19:41 PM
Dang Jake....I've been MIA a while working 2 jobs again and just saw this.  Your doing right keepin a cool head- hate that for ya man
Tim B
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on June 29, 2018, 12:45:49 PM
The wheels of justice turn slowly...ponderously slow at times, it seems...but they do move as long as you keep pushing. In today's day and age wantonly shooting and killing another man's dog is not only morally and socially unacceptable but it is illegal as well.
Your route is the right route. Your goal should be not only to receive compensation but to impinge upon his firearms ownership. He obviously lacks the moral responsibility to own them.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: indianalongbowshooter on June 29, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
What your doing is the right thing but,
cant say what Id do but the neighbor and me would have a very serious talk about shooting someone's pet and the consequences that go along with it, this talk would take place in a nice quiet place with no one else around..
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 29, 2018, 06:35:18 PM
Keep doing right Jake! With all the mass shootings lately, I would think law enforcement would give a serious look at this loose cannon who has on record made threats to people and obviously has no regard for life.  I hope he gets his felonyvand has his firearms removed.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: swamper on June 29, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
Man,dont know how to word how I feel,Sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on August 15, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
Well, it's been a long time since my buddy was killed, but I got some news today. The prosecuting attorney is putting charges of animal abuse on the guy that shot my dogs and discussed a figure with me for restitution. I'm hoping that the charge sticks and everything goes like it should.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: DanielB89 on August 15, 2018, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: JakeD on August 15, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
Well, it's been a long time since my buddy was killed, but I got some news today. The prosecuting attorney is putting charges of animal abuse on the guy that shot my dogs and discussed a figure with me for restitution. I'm hoping that the charge sticks and everything goes like it should.


Jake,

I know it wont bring your buddy back, but it will give you a sense of closure(hopefully), and hopefully, your buddy will have learned a very valuable lesson.  I can't imagine the outrage, but I believe you have handled this in a very honorable way! 

Good luck my friend! 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: 2madjacks on August 15, 2018, 10:02:38 PM
Glad to hear this, and glad you went this route.  Hopefully you get the justice  you guys deserve.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: BWallace10327 on August 15, 2018, 10:30:16 PM
I am very sorry for your loss and hope everything goes as well as possible.  Any further commentary on the topic would have caused me to be removed from Tradgang. 
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: kennym on August 15, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
Hats off to you Jake, stay the course brother.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: onemississipp on August 15, 2018, 10:42:38 PM
Horrible!

The pain is great and seems it will never end, many of have been there but never in your situation.

I lost a great mountain cur about a year ago and 3 months later my wife got me a dog I had talked about a few times. A wirehair miniature dachshund, what a great little buddy and still a sporting dog!
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on August 16, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: kennym on August 15, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
Hats off to you Jake, stay the course brother.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: achigan on August 16, 2018, 06:37:11 PM
Way to take the high road brother. However it ends up you've p r oven yourself a winner.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: WVFarrier on August 16, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
Contact the news and report it.  If you have friends on Facebook, have them post it.   It gets around quick
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Florida lime on August 16, 2018, 08:13:51 PM
I'm glad that the prosecutor is finally taking this seriously, and hope the a$$&*#@ is found guilty. You've handled better than I think I would have.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Tall Paul on August 16, 2018, 09:26:04 PM
Now is the time to keep your eyes open.  Anyone that would shoot your dogs, and the other things he has done, has a screw loose.  You've done things the right way, but I'd have a loaded gun ready all the time.  You see how long it took the justice system to do anything about your dogs, an open and shut case.  They sure won't be there to protect you and your family if he decides to come over and shoot you.

Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on August 20, 2018, 09:42:10 AM
Thank you all for the kind words and support. As has been stated before, that is what makes this site what it is.

I think about my lab every day. I've been doing a lot of scouting this summer and wishing he was along with me. He was a great companion and I will never forget him.

As long as these charges stick, this guy is gonna have to walk a fine line when it comes to shooting a dog.  He will be a felon if this happens again. I can't imagine that it would be worth it to him to shoot a dog again and risk getting caught. At the very least, maybe this will save somebody else's companion from a senseless killing.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Woodpuppy on August 21, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
Well done sir. I agree with Tall Paul's sentiment. Keep your powder dry.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: David McLendon on August 21, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
I agree with the above sentiments, this guy is not smart and there is about zero chance of some cathartic experience that will show him the error of his ways. More than likely you will have major trouble with him down the road as he will see it as his right to extract payback. You better watch your back and look after your family. In the horrible event that he does something stupid and dangerous, the best story told is one story.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on September 19, 2018, 07:04:13 PM
So killing a dog (your private property) is only considered "animal abuse"? That in itself is criminal!
There can be no 'other side of the coin' in this instance; this guy has a couple screws loose and frankly, you need to watch your back around him. Be careful, and I hope the compensation awarded you is enough to buy you a dozen dogs. Jail time, fines and compulsory community service are more fitting, but at least he's not walking scot-free.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: John3 on September 19, 2018, 09:20:34 PM
Dogs are a blessing....!  I think dogs are considered personal property in Missouri.  Not sure there is much law enforcement can do about it.  Sue this bastar*--cost him time and dollars.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on September 20, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
He has a trial date set. Surprisingly, he ponied up and got a lawyer. I go tomorrow to turn in all the paperwork for restitution and what I want to happen. If he is found guilty and made to pay all of the restitution, he isn't gonna be happy. He has charges of animal abuse and 2nd degree property damage against him. It's taking awhile, but I am just going along with the process and hoping that everything works out. I am hopeful that the court will see what kind of person that he is and make him pay for what he did. If he is found innocent, there isn't much I can do about it. Regardless, this is now becoming an issue for him.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: MikeNova on September 20, 2018, 08:58:04 AM
Good that dude needs to go to jail. I've had to put two old dogs. To sleep,I had no choice. It was as bad as watching my parents die.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on September 20, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
Good on you doing this the right way. I pray justice is served.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Tall Paul on March 28, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
JakeD, whatever happened on this?
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: mahantango on March 28, 2019, 08:44:15 PM
I am almost speechless. I'm  afraid they would be hauling my neighbor out in a body bag and I would be headed to jail.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on March 28, 2019, 08:45:18 PM
Funny this got brought back up right now. I have court in about two weeks to settle it. The weird thing is, two days ago I got a letter in the mail from the judge Judy tv show asking if I would like to appear on it. All expense paid trip and an appearance fee. Never thought I'd get a letter like that. Anyways, this will finally settle the matter. Hopefully he will have to pay.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on March 28, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
On another note, my one dog that got shot is doing very well. He will never walk quite right again on the leg that got broke, but he is a funny little quirky guy and he is having fun and still able to run around and play. It's good to see that he is using the leg more and more and it isn't slowing him down completely.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on March 29, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
Best of luck to you.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: 4dogs on March 29, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Are you going to do the Judge Judy thing??
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: JakeD on March 29, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
No I'm not going to judge Judy. I don't want to go to LA, be on TV, or take time off work for it. I could possibly use it as leverage to try and get the money that I'm seeking, but I'm just going to follow through on the court date we have and be done with it.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: SteveL on March 29, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
I know this post is kind of old, but I just ran across it. Jake you are to be commended for remaining rational under these circumstances. It show real strength of character. Not sure I would have reacted the same. So sorry for your loss. Gawd they are like our kids and best friends all rolled up in to one.
Title: Re: Lost my shooting and shed hunting buddy
Post by: Captain*Kirk on March 29, 2019, 02:51:57 PM
Not to mention JJ is biased, irrational, and obviously makes up her mind many times before both parties have had their say.
Good move on your part. :shaka:
Hopefully justice will prevail and this guy will feel the long arm of the law.