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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: brent d. on March 19, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
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I was wondering how the pine cone carvings such as Bob Morrison offers feel on the hand? Also is there someone, maybe a TG sponsor, that does light checkering on a riser? I really like the looks of the pine cones but it looks kind of rough. I just ordered a new riser that is all one piece of osage and I was planning on doing something as it looks a great "canvas" for a picture. Anyone ever seen any other grip style carving? like a deer head maybe? Is it sacrilegious to even mess with it? :eek:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/cadyak/7193-1.jpg)
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If you can't find a trad ganger to checker, can probably just do a search on the web. Don't have the sites now, but I know there are several checkers who do bow handles.
Checking does have some disadvantages, in my opinion. For some people, checking on the belly side of the grip is hard on the bow hand. Remember, you're pressing that checking back into your hand with whatever weight bow you're shooting. It's not like holding a pistol grip on a gun.
A larger issue IMO, is that checking keeps the bow's riser from moving/rotating in your hand. Some people consider this a plus, but I don't. I like to grip the bow loosely when I draw and let the grip come to rest in the web of my bow hand where it will. That way I don't torque the handle. With a checked grip, whatever your grip on the bow before you start to draw is the same grip you will have when you complete the draw. If you've torqued it to start, it will stay torqued because it won't move in your hand. As I said, some people consider this a plus. Depends on your shooting style.
Some things to consider. :)
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thanks Orion
Some risers have just been a little too slick for me in july in Ga. I had a brack drifter that a very limited number of checkering grooves spaced about 1/4" apart. Worked great for gripping, and you couldnt really feel them.
I have always thought that the really tight checkering would be hard on the hand.
I use snakesin for almost all my grips but I dont want to cover that pretty wood up.
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try stippling..real cool...pm Tim Golder on this site..he does real nice work
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Love my pinecones! I have a number of Bob's bows and I prefer the pinecones over no pinecones. Mine are on 64# Shawnee and have never given me any problems at all.
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I have the pine cone on my Cheyenne. It is not a problem for me because the part of the gripping hand that comes in contact with it is loosely touching it. The majority of the pressure against the grip is at the top where my fingers wrap around the grip (the yoke of my hand). So, the pine cone just helps give the meaty lower part of the thumb somewhere rest against. If you like to grip the bow firmly then it got become an issue. I hunt into November too. So, having a light weight glove on this pine cone helps too.
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razorbak, I have seen a picture on TG of a riser that he did I believe.. I cant find it now but the stippling looked extremely cool.
Hunt it....Thats what I was wanting to hear!
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You get used to the pine cones in just a few days. Or you can get just one, also known as a half pinecone. I think it would look perfect on that riser. You could ask if Bob would smooth off the sharp edges. I have trouble with bows slipping in the early season when I wear light cotton gloves. The pine cones are more pronounced than the stipple grip, which I also like a lot. Love that Osage.
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I really like the Pine cones on my Cheyenne. Ever have had a issue with them being uncomfortable or effecting my shooting. Matter of fact I really do not like shooting bows that do not have them or some form a stippling or checkering.
Just talk to Bob about what you are looking for and he will do you right.
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Bob put a single pine cone on my Shawnee and ILF risers. They look great and are quite functional.
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I have a bear paw carved on my Ancient Spirits. It really helps the grip and looks cools too :)
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Brent,
For what it's worth, you get my opinion. I had ordered a "plain jane" Shawnee from Bob a couple of years ago. Every time I talked to him, I added to it. I ended up getting half pine-cones on the riser.
As Orion mentioned, you're putting the draw weight of the bow into that carving. At first, it hurt my hand. It doesn't bother me now (only takes a couple of shooting sessions) and I feel "naked" if I shoot a bow without them.
As with all things in archery, to each, his own. Your mileage may vary.
Hope this helps.
homebru
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I can't vouch for this artist's work but I've been considering giving them a try when my 16" ACS-CX riser is built. Admittedly that Bear Paw carving John mentioned above sounds intrigueing.
http://www.checkering.com/
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The pine cones are beautiful...and work great.
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I met a bowyer in Wappello who had a grizzly head carved into the grip portion of his riser. That was way cool! Good luck and let's see the new pics.
-Brett
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I just ordered a Bob Lee, and I asked Rod if I could have deer hoofs drawn into the riser, and they said they'll see what they can do. I am looking forward to getting it. Should be here any day.
Carl
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Had to bring this one out. Looking for some different options besides pinecones(they're beautiful), the bear tracks sound cool. Saw what Sherry Abraham does, very nice, just looking for something different. Yes, saw the stippling. Certainly in the running. Any ideas, pics, contacts? Thanks.
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I have stippled 3 bows according to Tim Golder's HOW TO....I just did a new Lost Creek yesterday.
It's not as difficult as some may think...give it a shot....it's fun, looks good, and works great. If you decide you don't like the stipple job, you can always cover in it in leather or sure grip.
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I was going to suggest contacting Terry Green. I've seen his Morrison with the pinecones. One of the best looking recurves I've seen. Since he has already posted, just ahead of me, you already have his opinion. Your both out of GA., maybe its worth getting together with Terry to take a look and try the pinecones on for size before making a decision. :thumbsup:
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Just got a new to me Morrison with the single pine cone, looks great and feels good to!
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The pine cones look gorgeous BUT dig into your hand and as Orion pointed out, there are disadvantages.
karim
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I find checkering very helpful in maintaining a consistent grip, but others do not.
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My pinecone doesn't bother me at all.
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I like the grip to settle into my hand as I draw. Ive had several bows that had checkering and never shot them as well. They sure looked good though. Different strokes I guess- I'll take mine smooth.
BTW I always thought some type of tribal design wrapping the grip would look cool.You could probably find something at a tattoo shop.
SL
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I've had a couple bows that had so-called checkering in the grip area. It was more like course chicken scratches, and in my opinion detracted from what was otherwise a beautiful high end bow. Not sure why some of the well known bowyers would even offer that quality of checkering on their bows.
If I were wanting checkering on my bow, I would send it off to a professional gun checkerer and have them put in some Fleur De'Lis or other fancy pattern and really add to the quality and value of the bow.
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I prefer no checkering at all. I had A shawnee with pinecones and one without and I prefered the shawnee without. No more checkering for me, Thank You.
B.
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I have Brant's "old" Shawnee riser with full pinecones, and I have Morrison risers without pinecones and others with half and full pinecones. I prefer the pinecones. I also have other bows with and without checkering. They all shoot well, but I like having a grip that does not tend to slip in my hand. To each his own.
Allan
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I have 2 Schafers with the checkering and wouldn't have another bow without checkering . It makes the grip more consistent.
Jack
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You may want to try a Bow Saddle or a rubber grip first they do not dig into hand just gives you a non slip grip.