Title: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on March 16, 2008, 05:47:00 PM
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on March 16, 2008, 05:47:00 PM
Sometimes I'm pretty good at smelling snake oil.
For the past year or so there's been at least one company promoting carbon arrow shafts with "Front of Center Design". I believe their commercials tout it as "weight forward technology". I've kind of suspected it was bunk.
Today I was shooting a field round at the archery club when I found one of these arrows by Carbon Express -- camo up front, black on the back and "Front of Center Design" on the logo. It was very slightly cracked at the nock end, so instead of throwing it in the lost arrow bucket, I took it home. After stripping it down to a bare shaft (no nock, fletching, insert or point) and making sure it was clean, inside and out, I decided to see just how much so-called FOC this thing had.
The math is actually very simple. It's a 28 1/4" shaft, and the balance point is dead on at 14 1/8". So the FOC is, well...zero.!["[dntthnk]"]("graemlins/dntthnk.gif" "\"\"")
For the past year or so there's been at least one company promoting carbon arrow shafts with "Front of Center Design". I believe their commercials tout it as "weight forward technology". I've kind of suspected it was bunk.
Today I was shooting a field round at the archery club when I found one of these arrows by Carbon Express -- camo up front, black on the back and "Front of Center Design" on the logo. It was very slightly cracked at the nock end, so instead of throwing it in the lost arrow bucket, I took it home. After stripping it down to a bare shaft (no nock, fletching, insert or point) and making sure it was clean, inside and out, I decided to see just how much so-called FOC this thing had.
The math is actually very simple. It's a 28 1/4" shaft, and the balance point is dead on at 14 1/8". So the FOC is, well...zero.
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Whip on March 16, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: Whip on March 16, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Sometimes it just has to make you laugh :biglaugh: It's all about marketing I guess :rolleyes:
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: GameGetter on March 16, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: GameGetter on March 16, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Wow, very interesting!
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: ishiwannabe on March 16, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: ishiwannabe on March 16, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
Nothing different about the insert either?
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: bloodyarrow on March 16, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: bloodyarrow on March 16, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
Kinda like the "FOR GET THE WIND AND HUNT" just somthing else to get your money
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on March 16, 2008, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on March 16, 2008, 06:11:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ishiwannabe:The insert only weighed 14 grains.
Nothing different about the insert either?
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: ishiwannabe on March 16, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: ishiwannabe on March 16, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
Wow...I was just eyeballin' those online. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Lewis Brookshire III on March 16, 2008, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: Lewis Brookshire III on March 16, 2008, 06:16:00 PM
I have always wondered how much weight the camo dip could really weigh. Now I know.....nothing! LOL
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: ifalls_archer on March 16, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: ifalls_archer on March 16, 2008, 06:37:00 PM
I suspect that you would need to trim these shafts from the nock end to keep FOC. I wonder if the owner trimmed the point end to get to 28" and threw away his extra $30. Just a thought.
Brent
Brent
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Bjorn on March 16, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: Bjorn on March 16, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
Dontcha' love the marketing department! Just another high performance jock strap!
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: bayoulongbowman on March 16, 2008, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: bayoulongbowman on March 16, 2008, 06:51:00 PM
makes Alum. and woodies look good again... :)
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Terry Green on March 16, 2008, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: Terry Green on March 16, 2008, 07:03:00 PM
Jason...didn't you know????
Their 'regular' arrows are ROC. (rear of center, or negative FOC) :D
Their 'regular' arrows are ROC. (rear of center, or negative FOC) :D
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: blueslfb on March 16, 2008, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: blueslfb on March 16, 2008, 07:04:00 PM
Thats why I love my woodies w/ my big 190grn heads.
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Dr. Ed Ashby on March 16, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Dr. Ed Ashby on March 16, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
Why am I not surprised? :rolleyes:
Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow
Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 16, 2008, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 16, 2008, 07:32:00 PM
Jason, I recently checked some at an archery shop as I was curious and they indeed were heavier up front. A 30" shaft balance at around 17"s fron nock end. These were $140 a dozen though and I would rather just add weight by using brass inserts or heavier heads. These were just being cut for a customer and they were actually a tad thicker walled near the point end. Shawn
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: whitebuffalo on March 16, 2008, 07:36:00 PM
Post by: whitebuffalo on March 16, 2008, 07:36:00 PM
Dat is funny right there,,LOL,,
Title: Re: "Front of Center Design"?
Post by: draco on March 17, 2008, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: draco on March 17, 2008, 11:38:00 PM
Would`nt you like to be the guy who came up with camoed arrows. One shot-one gone.