So I have a question for all you veteran traditionalists. I have recently got into trad archery, and I have not taken a big game animal yet with my longbow. My question is, "Will I get a complete pass through with my bow?" and if not, "will my recovery be tougher?" I have two bows I can use for hunting. One is a Martin Savannah that is 40 lbs, and the other is a Bob Lee that is 45 lbs. I have been a compound shooter for so long, I guess I am brainwashed to think I need a compound to get a pass through. What are your experiences? Thanks guys and gals.
TK
Just go have a look in all the Highlights forums.....you'll see plenty of big game kills.
And yes, you can expect pass throughs on deer.
At 10, 20, possibly 30 yd. you will get pass-throughs, shot place that will be important, most important will be the Broadhead you are using. I shoot the same poundage range, and I use stinger two blade with bleeders, I use a arrow designed for high penetrating, Axis 500.
If you hit bone or rib, you're not going to get a pass through. But the damage that the arrow does by staying in there, will cut your chances of having to do a long tracking. Most of the time, the deer are within 10 to 20 yd., this year I only had one shot, and I turned it down, it was at 38 yd.
You'll find there will be a lot of others that will post in, and you'll find that a lot of them will get passthroughs.
Carl
TK... the answer to your question is a qualified yes. You will get pass through performance from those recurves.
As with any bow, shot placement will come into play.
Also careful broadhead selection is very important.
While pass through (completely out of the wound channel) penetration helps bloodtrail quality, it's just one factor in the equation.
Lots of people here get passthrus; personally I have never had one, and always go for a double lung shot.
If it is in the right place it won't matter-passthru or not.
Yes expect pass throughs with the right BH and shot placment. heck I even got a pass through on a cow elk at 30 yds. with a Thunderhead 125 2315 arrow 66# recurve, double lung.
Rather then pass-through I look for an exit wound.
Doesn't matter if the arrow leaves the animal. I do like to have that exit wound for blood trialing though.
You should get an exit wound with your setup with the right arrow and BH. . .like Charlie said.
Mike
Bjorn....interesting. Double lung is the prefered shot, and one I also always prefer,...but I've had many more pass throughs than not. The only time I don't if when I get the off leg or shoulder, or the animal is in serious spin mode at impact.
Can you tell my what your set up is that you have never gotten a pass through with?
SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT.
this is the number one most important thing.
if you can put an arrow with the lungs/ heart with that you will have a dead animal.
Also with a low poundage bow your going to want the optimal performance out of your arrow so get them perfectly tuned
QuoteOriginally posted by SouthMDShooter:
SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT SHOT PLACEMENT.
this is the number one most important thing.
It is ONLY if you get enough penetration. If you hit a boar hog in just the right spot, but only penetrait 3 inches instead of passing through, you may or may not get the animal....especially if the 1st inch and a half is just getting through the shield. That's just one example...another is animal movement robbing you of penetration....you can still hit them in the exact perfect spot, and they can roll with the shot and you may not get enough penetration.
Arrow flight...Is VERY important. I went for years not knowing anything about tuneing at all, I was shootin a 65lb recurve and almost never had a pass through, I was shootin way to weak of a arrow, I was killin critters, just never or rarely got a complete pass throug. Now after learning how important perfect arrow flight is and using reasonable weight arrows with good heads, I rarely do not get a pass through, you will have better blood with a low exit, if you are shooting from a tree stand, as you know from your wheel days. A exit wound is very desireable for tracking reasons, but the same vitals are usuall hit if the arrow does not get through the far side completly.
QuoteOriginally posted by TroutKing:
So I have a question for all you veteran traditionalists. I have recently got into trad archery, and I have not taken a big game animal yet with my longbow. My question is, "Will I get a complete pass through with my bow?" and if not, "will my recovery be tougher?" I have two bows I can use for hunting. One is a Martin Savannah that is 40 lbs, and the other is a Bob Lee that is 45 lbs. I have been a compound shooter for so long, I guess I am brainwashed to think I need a compound to get a pass through. What are your experiences? Thanks guys and gals.
TK
With proper tuning, shot placement and arrow selection, there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to smash through whitetail ribs coming and going with either of those bows.
Mike,
"Doesn't matter if the arrow leaves the animal."
My results are different.
I have had enough experience to know that if I come upon my arrow that didn't pass through I can fully expect the blood trail to taper down and quite possibly quit all together. It's not something I want to see.
Keep in mind that if I am lucky I take one elk a year, lots of guys take five plus animals a year so I could sure be wrong.
Your mileage may vary:)
Bob
Thanks a million guys. I had no idea that arrow flight and weight had more impact than speed. I guess that comes from my compound days. I knew that those components were vital, but I thought they were vital for accuracy, not penetration.
TK
If you get the arrow into the lungs, it doesn't matter if you get an exit wound. The deer is still dead. Learn to track. Rapidly moving deer leave good trails.
My first Trad Kill after coming back was with a 53# Mahaska Recurve. A 28" 2016 Aluminum arrow with a 145 gn Bear head at 28 paces. The arrow hit the doe in the heart,passed threw, and stuck in the ground.I didn't realize it was that far a shot. I hit her square in the crease. She barely ran 40 yards.
I get lots of pass-thrus with my set-ups. Good arrow flight and sharp heads help a lot and of course shot placement. I myself for some reason like to shoot them a bit forward(Whitetails)and shoulder shoot them quite often but still get an off side exit a lot of times and if I do that there is no need for a blood trail as I am sure I have gotten both lungs. I have also gotten poor penetration on shoulder shots as well, but most times I have no problems. Shawn
Thanks for the email Bjorn. :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by LKH:
If you get the arrow into the lungs, it doesn't matter if you get an exit wound. The deer is still dead. Learn to track. Rapidly moving deer leave good trails.
I disagree.
I think one of your main goals should be an exit wound. If you shoot a deer, which I have, that is accompanied by several other animals, tracking by tracks alone can be very confusing. Also in the case of an animal that is in marshy or wet areas, it can be impossible to track on tracks alone. Blood leaking from an exit wound left on vegatation can be the difference between a recovery and a lost animal.
That's just my personal opinion.
Two leaking wounds are always better than one.
I agree with Hoytman. I believe a pass thru arrow aids in many ways.
First, you have your arrow to inspect after a hit. If the deer makes it out of sight or earshot, this is a big part of how I decide what to do next. Hopefully, I also have a visual of where the arrow hit.
Next, as we all know, arrows do not kill by impact shock, and tissue damage. All we need is for the broadhead to cut major blood vessels. A pass thru does the cutting we need and at least some of the arrow`s energy is wasted, imparting less shock to the animal. Hopefully, this will bring about less of a reaction and the animal will not run as far before it stops to survey the situation. Seconds tick by, and your animal is down. Blood or no blood, less travel from the point of impact, to the animal, increases the odds of locating the animal easily.
In addition, I believe that a whitetail is very aware of an arrow protruding from its body, and that at least sometimes, this fact will prevent them from stopping until they can go no more. I think it`s safe to say, most everybody is aware of how far a whitetail can run in fifteen seconds without stopping, even in heavy cover.
Lastly, two holes are better to bleed from, especially if the shot was from an elevated position. I like drain holes.
Forty pounds WILL do what you need to get two holes in deer, but I would keep my shots close, and wait for a relaxed broadside shot. But then again, thats good advice with eighty pounds as well.
Bentpole said what I wanted to say, with a lot less typing.