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Title: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on February 21, 2010, 04:08:00 PM
I killed this cow buffalo last Saturday in Colorado. It was supposed to be on a 30,000 acre ranch and not a pen hunt. Well when I got there it was a 60,000 acre ranch with a 100 acre pen with the cull cows and bulls in it. Disappointed with the outfitter but still wanted to honor the animal and what she means to me.
 (http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/sparson_bucket/Buffalochips005.jpg)
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Post by: Carcajou on February 21, 2010, 04:19:00 PM
Awesome! Great pic!
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Post by: Mr.Vic on February 21, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
SWP, thats a fine animal. Congradulations. Nothing better than buffalo burger and steaks. of course i have to buy mine for now.   :thumbsup:    :notworthy:
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Post by: Chris Shelton on February 21, 2010, 05:30:00 PM
yea that would have pissed me off, but I suppose in the end it is still the same meat, so how big of a herd was in that 100 acres?
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Post by: KentuckyWolf on February 21, 2010, 06:04:00 PM
Nice cow. It's a shame about that bait and switch. What was the name of the ranch? I was looking at doing a bison hunt with my tax returns, and I don't want that kind of operation on my short list.
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on February 21, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
Guys I am not going to make this a public flaming of the booking agent or guide as I am trying to get them to make it right. I will take part of the blame for not getting things in writing but I specifically asked when I talked to the booking agent if this was I high fenced hunt and he said no. There were 5 or 6 bulls and three other cows besides this one in the pen. Honestly I could have got this type of experience a lot closer to home but was looking for something a little closer to a hunt so I booked this one. In the end I still got the meat, hide, head and bow/arrow performance info on this cow.
I don't want any of you to get the same deal as me so if you want more info email or PM me.
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Post by: on February 21, 2010, 08:29:00 PM
Congrats on the cow!

Bisch
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Post by: Goke on February 21, 2010, 09:58:00 PM
Congrats. She'll eat great. What was the bow/arrow specs and how did it perform?
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Post by: swp on February 22, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
BW PSR 59@28, pulling it about 56#. 540grm ramin arrow with a 150 Grizzly El Grande on top. First shot (broadside) hit a rib going in and only got about 14" of penetration. Second shot (quartering away) buried to the fletching, entered through the liver and got lungs. Put her down in about 20 seconds.
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Post by: Goke on February 22, 2010, 08:50:00 AM
Thanks for the info.Congrats again.
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Post by: HornHunter on February 22, 2010, 11:19:00 AM
SWP--just for the record I am 100% against any kind of fenced hunt

but did you really expect it would be anything but a kill shot?

I am very familiar with the place that you killed your buff, and they have a bad rap for many years now, sorry you were dissapointed, I can only imagine the smoke they blew up your skirt, but it was a fenced hunt.

I hope you enjoy the meat and hide.

Scott
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Post by: swp on February 22, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
HornHunter,

I was expecting to get out and stretch my legs and have to go find them anyway. I didn't expect the killing part to be any huge challenge. I have never shot "raised" big game. But I have hunted pen raised birds and I understand the difference between hunting pen raised birds and wild birds, the only thing they have in common is they fly (sometimes). I figured this would be the same thing but I still wanted to go find them. At 45  and having never put in for a wild bison hunt I figured my chances of ever drawing for one were very slim so I went with something I thought would be as close as I could get to wild. Turns out it wasn't even on the same planet.   :)
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Post by: Jeff Romans on February 22, 2010, 12:10:00 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience with us.  It's too bad that it wasn't what you were hoping for.
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Post by: Arwin on February 22, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
Good eats, fire up the grill!!!!    :saywhat:
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: HornHunter on February 23, 2010, 08:07:00 AM
SWP
I understand ,that place is well known for there BS,
looks like your set up worked well,buffs are big critters,

Scott
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Post by: Joe Hysong on February 23, 2010, 10:55:00 AM
Nice Pic the horns look great what did it cost you there?  How much was the Taxidermy?
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Post by: mancole5 on February 23, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
Sorry that things didn't go exactly the way you planned. Its a bummer for sure! Regardless, thank you for sharing your pics and story with us. Nice shooting!
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on February 23, 2010, 11:54:00 AM
Joe,
I took the hide to the guy who did my bobcat and bear. The head I had planned to do european and had got a quote from another person for $175. After everything went down with the outfitter I wasn't feeling like spending another $175 so I am just doing it myself. For anyone who is interested I just got my meat back and there was 411 pounds of it. I think I can make it through the rest of the winter on that.  :)
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Post by: Bowshot on February 23, 2010, 12:41:00 PM
A couple of years ago we got a call from a farmer who wanted a few buffalo culled, yes we could use our bows. no surprises as to what to expect, where they would be etc. Figured, what the heck, its february and we will be able to get some cool pictures, we were getting the meat either way. When we showed up, there was a hitch thrown at us, about a dozen had escaped and he couldn't chase them back home, they had entered a large muskeg on public land. Talked to Fish and Wildlife and were told that there was no issue as long as he got them back home on or off their feet. It turned an afternoon into a week long adventure and a ton of fun, still fence grown but a totally different deal and I have been waiting for some more to escape. Used a Jack Kempf long bow, 2020's and the Wensel Woodsman head. 1 cow fell over within feet and my bull went 1/2 mile with 2 arrows through the boiler room. The recovery wasn't as easy as we had planned, they are pretty big and the meat was awesome, you should enjoy it alot.

Terry
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Post by: rushlush on February 23, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
Cool pics, thanks for sharing. Good eatin too...
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Post by: SveinD on February 23, 2010, 01:09:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by swp:
I will take part of the blame for not getting things in writing but I specifically asked when I talked to the booking agent if this was I high fenced hunt and he said no
I do not agree. People need to keep their word! Oral agreements should be just as good as in writing, or it should be known to others, so they do not make the same mistake. IMO  ;)
But giving them the opportunity to do right is a nice gesture none the less. Hope you get it settled!
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on February 23, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
Bowshot,

I would be tempted to go cut the fence and haze a few more out.  :biglaugh:  That sounds like a LOT of fun other than getting all of that meat out.
Svein,
Used to be your word was all you had between you and being run out of the country. "The times they are a changing."
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: Smallwood on February 25, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
Scott,
if you do the european mount yourself, you might want to seal the horns with something to keep them from feathering apart on you. You might talk to some taxidermists and find out a little more about it. Also, I think you have to pop the sheaths off and clean out from under the horns and then put them back on or they will stink.
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on February 25, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
Thanks Sammy,

I will look into it and see what I need to do.
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: Bowshot on February 26, 2010, 01:11:00 AM
We are just waiting for some more escapees. I boiled the skulls after removing the horns, similiar to bighorn sheep, turn the skull upside down and cut the cartilige up into the horns, keep them moist with wet towelling for a day , smack them with a rubber mallet and they should pop off. The taxidermist sprayed the horns with something, not sure what it was.

Terry
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: jerry r baker on February 26, 2010, 02:43:00 AM
you did nothing wrong because you respeced the animal first
nice kill
and i would bet you will use all the meat
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Post by: akdd on February 26, 2010, 05:39:00 AM
Congratulations on the buffalo.
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Post by: Ethan Grotheer on March 04, 2010, 05:30:00 PM
Very nice.
The meat alone would be worth it to me.
That stuff is GOOOD!
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Post by: swp on March 24, 2010, 04:17:00 PM
The meat is AWESOME!
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Post by: Pinecone on March 24, 2010, 06:26:00 PM
Very pretty animal.  Sure beats buying your meat at the grocery store!

Claudia
Title: Re: Not quite as advertised Tatonka
Post by: swp on March 24, 2010, 08:13:00 PM
That it does Claudia!
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Post by: tkytrac on May 30, 2010, 08:24:00 AM
Was told that a farmer lost some steers the same way and couldn't get a few back. He told the neighbors to shoot on sight for fear of crop damage or being hit by a car. During deer season one strolled in front of me, but I couldn't bring myself to shoot. These things go wild very quickly! I can image that a buffalo would be so much more so.