Bob Gordon started the "hunting" ILF craze with his Warf bows; then, David Soza develops the DAS Master series of premium hunting bows with a 17" riser. Bob Morrison sees the need for a wood ILF hunting riser and produces three--one in 16", one in 18" and one in 20". Lancaster Archery creates a subsidiary called TradTech Archery. They develop the Titan 17" metal riser and the 19" Pinnacle wood riser, along with a myriad of limbs to go with them, including an ILF longbow limb.
The next step: Three Rivers Archery teams with David Soza to offer the Dalaa; now in a 17" and a 21" model, along with camo wood/carbon limbs of various lengths and weights. Mr. Morrison is now making recurve and longbow ILF limbs in virtually any weight and length a person could need. I see on his website that he has a set of 80# at 26" ILF limbs! TradTech is in the process of offering different length risers, and "may" team up to offer a FireFly riser and more limb options.
Now we hear... that Border is offering a fitting to convert their risers for use with ILF limbs. They already offer top quality ILF limbs. Chek-Mate is offering limbs to fit the Hoyt hunting recurves. Oh yes, we haven't even mentioned those, the Hoyt GameMaster II and the "new" Dorado. Both will accept ILF limbs with the simple change of a bushing. Not to mention that Bernardini is offering a 19" ILF hunting riser called the Mamba.
GEE WHIZ! We can mix and match, risers and limbs for all occasions. It's a great time to shoot a stick bow—don't you think?! I WONDER... where will it go from here?
It is amazing to see so many options. :)shows how trad archery is growing. :)
Yes it is nice to see, but is it growing in the right direction?
Yes, I think it is a great time to shoot stick bows. As well as the offerings you mention, there are probably more custom bowyers at work than ever. So, there truly is something out there for everyone, whatever their taste. The "right" direction is the one each individual chooses for themselves.
I'm experimenting with the new bows and limbs to help accomodate my need to drop way down in weight so I can keep shooting, but still try to maintain a satisfactory performance level. I would imagine that some folks who know me would consider me an unlikely candidate to try these new critters, but they're fun, and effective.
One thing I see is that I can stay "trad" and explore new possibilities... like shooting from some of the compound stakes on my club range... never thought I'd do that at all, let alone with lighter weight bows.
The new bows won't replace my old ones so much as they add a new development, a new thing to learn, an additional way to have fun with archery. To me, the Hills represent the epitome of development of a certain type of equipment... the perfection of simplicity. The new bows are a bit more complex, and they may take us to a new place in terms of development of a new type of equipment to do what we do... shoot without sights but still with a non-mechanically enhanced bow. Developing the best skills we can with both types of equipment just means more ways to pursue our interest, more opportunity to perfect our skills.
I was out today with a Titan and light carbon arrows and I made some shots I wouldn't even try with my Hill and heavy woodies. I plan to keep shooting both and see where it takes me. So, if you see me at a shoot doing one round with a Hill and the next with a Titan, don't be too surprised.
Dick
Dick,
One of the best thought out, and stated opinions I've read about the subject. The voice of reason! Thanks.
Jim
I think it's a great time for trad archery.We are finaly back to new innovation and development that we would have seen anyway if not for the compound.
More choices has to be good.I might want to wear buckskins and shoot a selfbow one day or a full blown FITA rig the next.
There may be some new rules at the ,TRAD,events as to what defines a trad bow.I just hope they are more inclusive than exclusive.Doesn't really matter because thoes who compete to win will use every advantage within the rules and thoes who aren't there to win shouldn't really care what anyone else shoots.
What is ILF?? I am out of it I guess. . .
thanks
don't know the specific words for the acronym... International something something, but basically, it's a cross-brand standard for interchangeable limbs... you can get limbs from international target bows and stick 'em on the new trad ILF risers... or get the limbs the riser makers are providing... tremendous flexibility in length, composition and poundage... and price, of course :^)
the more advanced risers offer tremendous flexibility in adjustments... you can adjust poundage, tiller, etc.
thanks-
Jim: You do have your tongue firmly implanted in cheek when you say "Where will it go from here? right? The desire for ever increasing speed and ease of use led to the widespread adoption of the compound. The next step is to put pulleys/cams on the limb tips. Oops. Somebody's already thought of that. High tech crossbows perhaps?
Cudos to Bob Morrison for his new innovative ILF riser design. Several weeks ago I traveled to Bob Morrison's shop in Granview, OH to make up my mind on wether I wanted to order a Shawnee w/Dakota carbon foam limb, or his new ILF riser with his carbon foam longbow limb. I was quite surprised with how much more forgiving the ILF riser was for me with its more forword set grip design than the Shawnee.
I made up my mind and went with the 16" ILF bocote riser with phenolic flare, half pine-cone carving and his carbon foam longbow limb with eastern diamondback skins. Bow will be 58" 58+ pounds at 27". The Shawnee was quite an enjoyable shooting experience that in the future I will possibly look in to ordering one.
Very well said Dick, we are still "trad" just exporling new possibilities.
Also I want to thank Bob Morrison for taking several hours out of his saturday morning to answer all my many questions and point me in the right directions.
Steve
Dan,
ILF = International Limb Fitting
Developed by Earl Hoyt to standardize Olympic equipment.
Jerry,
No tongue-in-cheek, and yes, it's already been done, so not applicable to the present conversation--but expected none the less. That's what makes these boards so enjoyable for most of us. Our opinions vary as much as our current options on what bows, arrows, risers, or limbs we choose to use.
Steven,
They are something special aren't they? I've got an 18" right handed one, and an 18" left handed one. I "may" have bought the first 18" ILF riser he made. What I like most is the ability to change the tiller along with the weight adjustment. Pop in a set of cheap ILF light weight limbs and work on form; then, pop in a set of heavier ones and hit the range, then heavier again and chase elk.
Thanks,
Jim
OK... now I'm curious.... I liked the idea of Mr. Morrison's riser, so i went and looked.. beautiful... but.... It says usable only with Win & Win ILF limbs or damage may result.
So, if ILF is truly a standard protocol for limb fitting, as it is on the Titan and Pinacle and all of the target bows, how does one make an ILF riser that won't fit all ILF limbs?
I certainly like my Morrison 18" ILF riser and recurve limbs. And I'm anxiously awaiting a set of the longbow limbs. I enjoy the adjustable weight and tiller, and the being able to adjust the preload, if I want.
Growing in the right direction? For some people, definitely. For others, not. Find a place where you are comfortable, or find a bow that shoots well for you, and enjoy!
But, really, the only difference on an ILF is the limb attachment. An adjustable bolt that fits a variety of limbs. The horror! LOL! :D
Dick,
He just hasn't changed the website. My riser would only accept W&W limbs. I had to grind the sides off my Hoyt limbs for them to fit in it. He has since changed the limb pockets to accept ALL ILF limbs. As a matter of fact, we emailed last week and in our conversation he suggested that I send my riser back so he could open the pockets to accept any manufacturers limbs.
well, darn... that answer's gonna cost me money!
thanks.... I think.... :^)
That is what I wanted to hear as well. :)
I think 3 Rivers Dalaa came out before the Titan so it should not be "the next step". If the Titan came out first, then I might be shooting the Titan instead of a Dalaa. Not trying to stir up anything but just wanted to put history in order. The 21" Dalaa riser is new tho and comes in ILF or The DAS proprietary connection.
What is the next step? Well, an Italian company (Bernardini) is coming out with their own short ILF hunting riser :bigsmyl:
I've been shooting the ILF bows for a couple of years now, I been through a couple of warfs and have been shooting a TT Titan since August. Its truely amazing how far its come from useing old converted compound risers to the offerings today in that short time. With there growing popularity and the talent of some of these guys I amagine it only going to get better..Craig
Good! Maybe the thing will become a craze, and I can buy off all these old, junk (beautiful), recurves and longbows cheap.
What am I missing? How is this any different than having three sets of limbs in various weights for my Black Widow MAII? Isn't "ILF" just another attempt to reinvent or at least rename the wheel- i.e., take-down.
Big deal. ILF permits the interchangeability of limbs on a bow. Unless I'm missing something, so what. :confused:
Labs - the difference being I cannot try your widow limbs on my Fedora or Morrison risers or vice versa - just gives you more options.
Steve
Labs4me:
"What am I missing? How is this any different than having three sets of limbs in various weights for my Black Widow MAII? Isn't "ILF" just another attempt to reinvent or at least rename the wheel- i.e., take-down."
Pretty simple really. Your three sets of limbs will only fit on your BW. If you had those three sets of limbs in ILF, they would actually be adjustable (on an ILF riser) to probably 15 or 20 different weights, tiller adjustment would be virtually unlimited, they would fit on any one of a hundred + different risers (costing anywhere from 75.00 to 1,000.00 new), limbs are readily available for immediate shipment in every price range and weight range within reason, in both recurve and longbow configuration. Not to mention that all the serious R&D money is going into competition limbs and we are starting to see that spill over into the hunting limb market.
I'm only guessing here but BW is a pretty progressive company. If they are not already messing with the ILF system, I'm sure they're already thinking about it, as are many, many others.
What about the guy that really loves Morrison's risers but likes BW limbs? Well, if and when BW starts producing an ILF limb, the question is answered.
You are probably right, it's not a big deal...it's HUGE.
Lenny
Lenny,
I agree, this "ILF Craze" certainly represents some huge changes. Our options appear to be endless. An excellent post BTW.
Jhoneil,
You're correct. The Dalaa was several months, perhaps even a year, prior to the Titan. As a matter of fact I ordered a Dalaa in the first run of 12 that Mr. Soza and 3Rivers offered. I doubt I'll ever turn loose of that one.
Thanks everyone (again) for your thoughts.
Jim
Labs- Aside from the other things just mentioned, the biggest thing you may be missing if you haven't ever shot a pair of higher end ILF limbs is HOW they shoot. They are truly impressive.
QuoteOriginally posted by c ott:
.... the biggest thing you may be missing if you haven't ever shot a pair of higher end ILF limbs is HOW they shoot. They are truly impressive.
In what way? How does a set of "higher-end" ILF limbs provide an advantage over that of other bows/limbs in regard to bowhunting scenarios? Seems to me it's more about convenience for those that like to have multiple sets of limbs and multiple risers to use them on.
Cut to the chase ...
ILF (International Limb Fitting) limbs and risers have been around for many decades.
The prime advantage is uniformity of fit to any ILF designed riser, since the butt ends are created to a very specific set of dimensions.
Any ILF limb set will fit any ILF bow riser.
Other than that they're just TD bow limbs like any other TD limb set. Carbon, ceramic, syntactic foam - these kinda limb cores and laminates can be made for any type of limb design - ILF, proprietary, custom, and one piece.
Are ILF style limbs a good thing for trad bowhunters? Sure, why not? Makes for easy limb swaps. :D
ILF limbs are the best performing limbs. Fact! Not becauce they are ILF limbs. Because they are the same limbs used on the Olympic style bows. So if the limbs on the bow your shooting are not the same, they are not the "Best". Some people want the best that $$ can buy. Some people are happy getting there in a Ford and some in a BMW, in the end your still getting there.....
Open the doors and let the sunshine in boys. This ain't new! It's just new to you 8^).
:knothead:
QuoteOriginally posted by DesertDude:
ILF limbs are the best performing limbs. Fact! Not becauce they are ILF limbs. Because they are the same limbs used on the Olympic style bows. So if the limbs on the bow your shooting are not the same, they are not the "Best". Some people want the best that $$ can buy. Some people are happy getting there in a Ford and some in a BMW, in the end your still getting there.....
Get it straight - ILF limbs have
NOTHING to do with limb or bow performance.
"ILF" is a label for a specific style of limb attachment that meets a specific international standard. ILF has been around since the late 60's - it's nothing new to trad TARGET bows, but it is "new" to trad HUNTING bows.
Limb mechanics design, composition and build can be precisely the same for a set of ILF limbs or for a one piece hunting trad bow.
Using ILF for trad hunting bows only means more versatility - nothing more or less..
QuoteOriginally posted by DesertDude:
ILF limbs are the best performing limbs. Fact! Not becauce they are ILF limbs. Because they are the same limbs used on the Olympic style bows. So if the limbs on the bow your shooting are not the same, they are not the "Best". Some people want the best that $$ can buy. Some people are happy getting there in a Ford and some in a BMW, in the end your still getting there.....
Uhhhh, nope. Both Bob Morrison (and some others)and a few guys testing ACS/CX bows have beaten the performance of the top end of ILF limbs.
One of the main advantages of ILF limbs, to those who know them and love them, is the "perceived smoothness" of their draw and the ability to shoot very low gr/# arrow weight and not blow up the bow.
Companies like Hoyt and Win&Win have put tons of money and countless hours of research and development into their olympic competition limbs. They don't just look to produce raw speed, but overall, well balanced performance. The result are limbs that have an excellent combination of durability, smoothness, speed and stability. Couple these limbs with the ease of interchangability an ILF attachement system provides and one has a excellent combination for target archers and hunters alike.
QuoteGood! Maybe the thing will become a craze, and I can buy off all these old, junk (beautiful), recurves and longbows cheap.
Yep John, I'm buying my time as well.
:D
JC,
I will have the opportunity in a couple of months to see if maybe there's a trad hunting bow specific ILF recurve limb that will outperform, or at least equal, the ACS CX and Morrison limbs. I have to qualify that by saying I have yet to shoot the Morrison foam cored ILF limbs.
I will be shooting this fall a 19" Firefly riser with Tradtech Extreme BF recurve limbs, longs, 50#. I'll have an adjustable range of around 47-51# on the Firefly riser. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to shoot the new bow.
Bill
Gosh... this got a little testy overnight :^) Not in any sense of arguing, but just as an observation, here is how this development is benefitting one archer...
Due to my shoulder problem, I have had to drop from roughtly 55 lbs down to roughly 40. OK... I traded/sold/bought some bows to move heavies out in favor of lights and that got me some light bows. However, dropping that much weight cost me a lot of range... and to be honest, I'm not a good enough shot that I had much to spare! Part of the problem was that I tend to longbows and they tend to heavier arrows.
I decided after seeing a friend shoot a Titan to try one... for me, one of the advantages is that the limbs are happy as clams with very light arrows... my range moved back out to where I used to shoot, and even further. (Don't hunt so arrow weight isn't a consideration in that respect.) The wide recurve limbs are definitely an easier draw, pound for pound, than my longbows... which is easier on my shoulder. Now, as it happens, as happy as I am currently with my Titan, it came in at 42#, and that is still proving a little heavy if I overdo on a particular day. Not a big problem... I don't have to get a new bow... I just need to pick up a set of lighter weight Olympic target limbs and stick them in there. To someone with declining physical condition, who may have to move down a couple of times over the next few years, that's a big deal.
Do these new developments replace the wonderful feeling and look of a fine custom bow? Of course not... don't be silly. No one is saying they do. But, they do have their benefits.
As one side benefit I haven't seen mentioned, think how much easier it is to confuse the resident bow police at home. Once you have a couple of sets of limbs and a couple of risers and start switching them around, new limbs, even a new riser, can appear in the mix and remain pretty much under the radar!
Dick
Dick, yer still confusing a limb attachment system with limb performance - two distinctly different concepts. Separate the two and ILF gives you a universal standard for limb attachment and the possibility of adjusting limb tiller to accommodate a range of draw weights per draw length, and the ability to adjust to different shooting styles (i.e. - split and 3 under).
I didn't know there was a 'craze'. 1st I've heard of it.
Oh, I've got hybrid longbows that are faster than some ILFs.
not really, Rob... I know the difference. In my particular case, the switch was from longbows, with their deeper, narrrower limbs, to an ILF system, at which point, coindidentally, I also made the switch to recurve limbs on it. I had not shot a recurve before... only longbows. I did/do find the wider, thinner in cross section recurve limbs seem to be easier to pull, weight for weight, somehow... I know that if that's true, and it may just be my own personal impression, it would be due to the limb cross section, not the attachment system. I had noticed something similar last year when i got a Checkmate Longhorn... a rather radical RD longbow that is really a lot more like a recurve in having wide thin cross section limbs. It, too, seemed a smoother draw than my slim straight longbows of the same weight... But you are correct... the limbs are just limbs and the ILF attachment system simply a means of providing flexibility.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Oh, I've got hybrid longbows that are faster than some ILFs.
Absolutely. The fastest trad bow I've ever owned is a Thunderstick MOAB longbow, and in terms of stickbows, it doesn't get much simpler than that.
The thing I really like about ILF compatible hunting risers is that if I want another set of limbs, they're just a click away. I can choose from dozens of different suppliers and several different manufacturers, for as much or little as I want to spend. No more $500+ and a year's wait for a set of limbs. No more being married to one bowyer's work.
To me it's not about performance, per se, it's about convenience. Yes, I'm sure high end limbs like the Winex ones on my DAS offer some performance advantages over other limbs (just try to twist them), but at the distances I shoot animals it's a moot point.
Here's a downside of all this ILF flexibility...at least for those of us who are math impaired. It ain't as simple as we make it sound. You have to be able to do some math. The limb weights change with the length of the risers you put them on. man, did that confuse me! You have risers varying from 16" to 25", and a specific set of limbs get heavier in pull the longer the riser they're put on. Then, you have short, medium and long limbs, and sometimes the catalog will tell you that this set of limbs makes "X" length bow on a "Y" length riser, but that's usually Olympic 23 and 25" risers. You have to make adjustments for the newer short risers, both for length and pull. Also, now, you can get longbow limb variations for ILF. You can sort it all out, but make sure you do before you order limbs for a specific riser, or you may be in for a surprise... It took me awhile to figure out that if I want a set of 35# limbs for my 17" riser, and I'm shopping in the Olympic limbs part of the catalog, or on the used lists, I need to look for limbs of about 27# when rated on a 25" riser. LIke I said, confusing, but not really any worse than trying to understand spine....
The limbs get heavier the shorter the riser Dick.
Hey Rob! take it easy, no need to yell. Remembner the respect thing......I fully understand that the ILF is a fitting system....Question then, if the other guys are making better limbs by design. Why aren't they used by olympic shooters? The fastest bow doesn't mean the best "Performing"
The conveniance and having adjustability is the biggest advantage to the ILF type system.None or little wait for limbs and a backup set can be ready to go in about a minuite. :)While ILF limbs are not the fastest they are on average better performers than most others.Sure my fastest bows are longbows as well but overall from the $150 limbs to the most costly they all perform well and all will not have warrenty issues if you don't want to shoot heavy arrows all the time.Either way you look at it having choices is a good thing for us and the sport in general.Ilf risers and limbs are just that mant more choices we all look at. jmo
QuoteOriginally posted by DesertDude:
Hey Rob! take it easy, no need to yell. Remembner the respect thing......I fully understand that the ILF is a fitting system....Question then, if the other guys are making better limbs by design. Why aren't they used by olympic shooters? The fastest bow doesn't mean the best "Performing"
Calm down, Dude, no one's yelling or this thread would be locked or removed.
If you understand what the ILF system is all about then there is no need to talk about limb design or performance since those aspects have nothing to do with how limbs are either attached (TD) or built into (1 piece) a riser.
Some of you folks aren't that knowledgeable about the origins of the Olympic recurve TD bows and limb systems - these type of trad bows were designed to have a compromise between stability and speed, with a larger emphasis on stability (hence, much longer limb lengths).
Over the years, the introduction of new limb materials increased the performance and consistency of Olympic ILF limbs - that started with biased limb cores, carbon fiber, syntactic foam and ceramic cores - all of which matriculated over to wheel bow limbs.
Very little of this technology moved over to trad hunting bows because there was simply no demand and these esoteric limb materials were quite expensive.
All that is changing.
Very Calm here.......Have a great day.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dick in Seattle:
Gosh... this got a little testy overnight :^) Not in any sense of arguing, but just as an observation, here is how this development is benefitting one archer...
There is no argument to be had, there is only fact. I'm observing too many statements in this thread that correlate the ILF system to limb performance - this is not true.
The ILF is a limb attachment system and has NOTHING to do with limb or bow performance from that attachment point of view.
There are horribly slow glass and maple cored ILF limbs to be had, just as there are some really fast state-of-the-art carbon/foam/ceramic ILF limbs offered.
It's only fairly recently that ILF style limbs are finally being recognized and used by bowyers building trad bowhunting bows.
The ILF system offers a universal limb attachment - this means you don't need to send yer riser back to yer bowyer when you want a new set of limbs. In fact, you can use some other bowyer's ILF limb set. Typically, ILF allows for a range of draw weight to be dialed in, as well as tweaking the limb tiller.
When all is said and done, ILF is not a brandy new gotta-have panacea for trad bowhunting - it's just a another option that might well be your cup of tea - and having options is usually a good thing.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
QuoteOriginally posted by Dick in Seattle:
[qb] It's only fairly recently that ILF style limbs are finally being recognized and used by bowyers building trad bowhunting bows.
The ILF system offers a universal limb attachment - this means you don't need to send yer riser back to yer bowyer when you want a new set of limbs. In fact, you can use some other bowyer's ILF limb set. Typically, ILF allows for a range of draw weight to be dialed in, as well as tweaking the limb tiller.[/b]
Rob,
I think these two paragraphs clearly states what Jim's original post was addressing. There's now quite a few choices of risers available to the trad hunter, if he/she so chooses, which can be used to couple a broad spectrum of ILF limbs and yield a shorter than the typical Olympic/Fita bow and an increased poundage over what the typical Olypic/Fita bow would draw.
The result is an increased performance over the longer, lighter draw weight Olympic/Fita bows. And now with some of the Trad bowyers, e.g., Morrison, the folks across the pond in Scotland, and others building ILF limbs and risers specifically for the trad hunter, in addition to a variety of aluminum ILF hunting risers that have been available, the horizons have been broadened and performance has been enhanced.
While it is true that the increased performance is not due to the ILF connection, the connection does enable the top of the line ILF limbs to be used interchangeably on the hunter specific ILF risers. And then when you add the new limbs being offered by a variety of bowyers, it is truly an "ILF Craze." The craze is a phenomenon that is blazing hot in some circles more so than others.
Bill
Bill, I think yer quote editing got a bit messed up. :D
Yep, Jim's post that started this thread was about how the ILF allows for versatility. This is an overall good thing, a good option for some bowhunters. That the ILF is now a "craze", well, I dunno about that.
Just don't equate the ILF as being better than non-ILF limbs, or that any ILF limbset will get you an instant performance boost.
I think we might be splitting hairs here a little bit.
True, all ILF limbs are not the best performers but most of the best performers were indeed designed with the ILF system in mind. (remember, "best performing" does not only mean speed)
No large manufacturer is going to put a lot of R&D money into a limb that can only be used on one riser. It's a simple matter of cost vs return. I don't think anyone implied that all ILF limbs were better than all proprietary limbs, but make no mistake, the best "overall performance" is coming from limbs that are designed around that system.
Lastly, if Morrison, BW, Adcock, Quinn or any other bowyer was building limbs that outperformed competition ILF offerings, people would literally be beating a path to their door.
Lenny
Rob & JC,
I didn't type what I was trying to say. Most of the Top Performing limbs, are offered with the ILF system. Exception is the A&H limbs. This is more what I was trying to say. I hope this makes better sence.
Sorry Bill, I think you and I were posting at the same time.
Lenny
Hmmmmm how does a fitting system make a bow limb perform more???
That's like saying my morrison is faster with antler bolts instead of benzles.
The limb is the limb, and the conection to the riser is just that.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Hmmmmm how does a fitting system make a bow limb perform more???
That's like saying my morrison is faster with antler bolts instead of benzles.
The limb is the limb, and the conection to the riser is just that.
Oh Yeah??? Well MY custom ILF limbs have TITANIUM connectors, so MY bow is just gonna be faster and better than your old bow with plain old ANTLER topped bolts. HAH! :D
Tarzzz,
I don't think anybody would say that a fitting system would make a bow perform more or better. But, I do think the ILF fitting system now makes some great performing limbs available to the trad hunter in ways we would have never envisioned 5 years ago, or so. Perhaps there were folk then that took a 23" ILF riser, put short or extra short ILF limbs on it, camo painted the limbs and riser and used it for a hunting bow. But today you can buy an ILF riser and limbs of your choice from Morrison Archery in a variety of lengths and draw weights. And there's a broad spectrum of choices with a variety of sources of risers and limbs. With 17 to 19", and maybe even 21", risers, it brings recurve lengths with ILF limbs down to the typical 58" to 64" length seen with standard design T/D wood risered bows.
Bill
OK Rob....I'll just cut the limbs off my MOAB and re attach them with POLISHED Veranium and then it will embaress your mere titanium conection bow. :jumper: :jumper: :jumper: :jumper: :jumper:
QuoteOriginally posted by WildmanSC:
Tarzzz,
I don't think anybody would say that a fitting system would make a bow perform more or better. Bill
I'm pretty sure its been said numerous times here....and why Rob keeps trying to clear it up.
"I'm pretty sure its been said numerous times here."
No, thats not what's being said here, at least not by me. As a matter of fact, I don't see where anyone has said that a connection system makes a limb a better performer.
This is what I said:
"True, all ILF limbs are not the best performers but most of the best performers were indeed designed with the ILF system in mind. (remember, "best performing" does not only mean speed)"
There is a big difference there.
Lenny
LOL, I don't even own a bow with ILF system. I have a MOAB and a Tomahawk.
QuoteOriginally posted by DesertDude:
I have a MOAB ...
Then you 'n' me are both in good company. :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
OK Rob....I'll just cut the limbs off my MOAB and re attach them with POLISHED Veranium and then it will embaress your mere titanium conection bow. :jumper: :jumper: :jumper: :jumper: :jumper:
OK, Mr. Green - you have raised the stakes and I'm now I'm gonna get me a set of SOLID BERYLLIUM limb connectors. Hah, BEAT THAT!!! :D
So much for intelligent conversation. This started out as a good, informative thread.
Oh well.
Lenny
QuoteOriginally posted by Lenny Stankowitz:
So much for intelligent conversation. This started out as a good, informative thread.
Oh well.
Lenny
Yep, yer right. It's run its course.