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Title: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Morning Star on November 28, 2017, 12:38:00 PM
For the guys who are grinding your own lams. Would you mind explaining the process that works most consistent for you?  My tapers have been inconsistent.

I have some jatoba sleds,they are right on. Using a Grizzly Baby Drum sander.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Bowjunkie on November 28, 2017, 07:10:00 PM
Inconsistent in what way(s)?
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: kennym on November 28, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
First two things I’d check are don’t run on the conveyor splice( it’s thicker on some sanders )  and check to see if your sleds are slightly twisted. It don’t take much...
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 29, 2017, 08:45:00 AM
I run the lams through twice on the same setting. Then do one turn on the adjustment and run through twice every time after adjusting. On the last pass I'll do 3 runs through.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Bowjunkie on November 29, 2017, 09:05:00 AM
I go one pass after each adjustment. I'm using a Delta.

But that's not a fair comparison... we could be using different grit paper, feed rates, removing more or less material with each pass, etc. In fact I often alter the rate and depth of cut as work progresses for various reasons.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Krasus on November 29, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Is the conveyer feed belt perfectly parallel to the drum? Even out slightly will have a big impact
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Crittergetter on November 29, 2017, 08:46:00 PM
When I get close I make Multiple passes without adjustments  and flip end from end and sides several times.  Flipping ends and sides makes it more consistent at least for me .
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Holm-Made on November 29, 2017, 10:45:00 PM
The  hook and loop paper the the baby drum takes isn’t the best choice for grinding consistent lams.  Too much give.   Can you clean the drum to bare metal?  Attach the paper with two sided tape or spray adhesive.  Wrapping each end with packing tape.  Grinding on a hard drum is the way to go.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Bowjunkie on November 30, 2017, 03:55:00 AM
Maybe that's why mine is consistent. The paper is wrapped directly on the metal drum, I use a relatively heavy machined aluminum sled, and it rides on a thin belt on a metal feed table.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 30, 2017, 06:43:00 AM
I Agree with you, Chad.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Morning Star on November 30, 2017, 11:02:00 AM
Thanks fellas, I will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: kennym on November 30, 2017, 01:36:00 PM
Oh, not to do with grinding except saving time and material, I like to cut the lams to taper before grinding, not grind from parallel.......
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Morning Star on May 31, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
Just wanted to update you guys. The advice on getting rid of the hook and loop paper on the Baby Drum is spot on.  I replaced it with standard paper attached with spray adhesive.  My tapers are much better.  Thanks fellas. 

Those reading this that have a Grizzly Baby Drum, I wouldn’t hesitate changing over.  Very easy to do, still need to tape the ends.
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Forwardhandle on May 31, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
Kenny how do you pre taper your lams on the band saw with a jig or sled ?
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Shredd on May 31, 2018, 06:22:41 PM
Good Move Morning...  Personally I think the Hook and Loop is chit...  It might be good for some applications but not for sanding lams accurately...
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: Flem on May 31, 2018, 08:05:00 PM
I was having problems with inconsistent tapers. So I made this sled/shooting board, now they are dead on side to side and running length.i don't use the plane much, mostly the block with sandpaper [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Grinding tapered laminations, your process?
Post by: kennym on May 31, 2018, 09:29:52 PM
Ritchie, I run a 2" wide sled about .250 thick(thickness really don't matter much) of proper taper rate against the fence.

You can set it to lam butt thickness with a preacher stick(it don't lie) which is a .005" per inch taper marked every .010 "  starting around .050 " and going as high as the thick end allows.

Just put the proper thickness number on the end of sled (thin end here) for your desired lam butt thickness plus whatever you need to clean up saw marks when  grinding. .035 " extra works for me unless it is on flat grain, osage and red elm are the worst to lead the blade with the flat grain for me....