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Title: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 07:17:00 PM
Im trying to decide how long of a bow I can make off of my current form and still have an enjoyable bow to shoot.

I realize that as a general rule, longer bows are more forgiving to shoot. But as I get longer, I will also be getting more reflex. The form has 1-13/16" deflex. How much reflex can I put into it.

I know the most logical answer is build one and find out. But the next bow is going to be built with/for my son. So I'm trying to fit him the best I can. I want to build his longer than mine in hopes of getting a longer draw before stacking as he is only 13yrd old, but 6' tall and still growing.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 07, 2017, 07:50:00 PM
Build one and find out!
   :wavey:    :jumper:
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Robertfishes on March 07, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
can you post a picture of the bow form..I build  66" bows off of the KennyM 62/64" bow form that shoot super nice.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 07:56:00 PM
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=014053;p=2
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 07:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
Build one and find out!
    :wavey:      :jumper:  
Oh go have a Coors and be quiet    :p
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 07, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
Make the longer bow, it will be fine and a sweet accurate shooter.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
Make the longer bow, it will be fine and a sweet accurate shooter.
For once I agree with ol smarty pants.....   :D
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 08:19:00 PM
@62" T/T it would have 2-5/8 reflex.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Not sure how you are measuring, but if your nocks are 2 5/8" ahead of riser back, that will be plenty.

I built one with the nocks 4" ahead if I remember correctly and it was a bi@#$ to shoot for me. Looking for speed then and failed that too. It now leans in the corner as a reminder...
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2017, 08:54:00 PM
A tip wedge helps string angle to get a bit more draw length before stack too.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
Sorry. That would be 60" nock to nock. Nocks would be 2-1/8" ahead of riser.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 07, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
Ah for pitty sakes, 2 5/8th is nuffen. This bow below has 4 inches of reflex at the tips. Don't be scared Ohio boy....

   (http://i.imgur.com/i5OdKA6.jpg)
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 08:59:00 PM
Not scared just don't wanna disappoint on a kids first trad bow.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 07, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
I understand Dad. Just send him here for a weekend and him and I will make a real trad bow...    :)
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2017, 09:12:00 PM
You prob have this, but check out the 60" on this, there is an inch from template to bottom of form for scale. It is a sweet bow and fairly fast too. I designed it with the tips a little more forward than the original 62/64" for my bro who draws 27" for some free horsepower.

You may be able to scale out and see how far ahead the tips are of riser back.

 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=011684#000010

Roy , you are measuring total reflex from low point of curve in limb, right?
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2017, 09:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
I understand Dad. Just send him here for a weekend and him and I will make a real trad bow...     :)  
Don't do it Brad!!   :D
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 09:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
I understand Dad. Just send him here for a weekend and him and I will make a real trad bow...     :)  
You mean one of those ones where you tiller and tiller then say screw it. Chop it up and throw it in the trash.    :laughing:
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 07, 2017, 09:58:00 PM
Kenny,
My form is built off of the basic design of the 58-60 form. I basically reduced both the riser and limb radiuses to shorten the 58" profile to 56".  
A little D&R may have been lost in the translation.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 08, 2017, 04:26:00 AM
Kenny, yes.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: beachbowhunter on March 08, 2017, 12:37:00 PM
Does anyone have, or know of, a similar template for a one piece recurve? Something like a 59er knockoff?
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: passion for knowledge on March 08, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
Kenny, I downloaded your .pdf files.

Without getting terribly technical regarding file formats, the files are images. If you are interested, I could trace them in Adobe Illustrator and save in a format that could be used on a CNC router to build a form.
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 08, 2017, 07:10:00 PM
David, if that would help someone, do it if you want. My computer skills are lacking! LOL
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 08, 2017, 07:12:00 PM
Brad, I think you will be OK on that much. If he is gonna grow into a longarmed critter, put a p lam and tip wedge in to help string angle. Or make another form and build him a 64" LOL
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 08, 2017, 08:04:00 PM
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Originally posted by kennym:
Or make another form and build him a 64" LOL
I think the wife would kill me if I only built one bow off that form before starting another.    :scared:
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: kennym on March 08, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
She will get used to it when she realizes you are addicted or afflicted or whatever mine says....   :D
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: passion for knowledge on March 08, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
Only if she finds out!

   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Bvas on March 08, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
Oh she knows that another form is inevitable. Just not yet  ;)
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: die_dunkelheit on March 09, 2017, 01:14:00 AM
This is why I don't tell mine how much I'm spending on building bows. She only knows how much the tools cost, which is fine because those are investments lol..
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Robertfishes on March 09, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
I do and buy what I want..cause I'm the boss just like Mr Roy..
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: LittleBen on March 09, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
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Originally posted by kennym:


Roy , you are measuring total reflex from low point of curve in limb, right?
I thought this too. I always measure reflex as how far the tips lie in front of the back of the riser, but an even better measurement would be from the most inset portion of the grip. That would make comparison between bows easier.

 
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Originally posted by Robertfishes:
I do and buy what I want..cause I'm the boss just like Mr Roy..
I'm the boss too, as long as my wife isn't around
Title: Re: How much Is too much?
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 10, 2017, 06:24:00 AM
I'm the boss in the bow shop, until the door opens..   :)