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Title: Tiller tree damage
Post by: mrbxzzz on January 11, 2017, 06:41:00 PM
I have always used i simple board with nails as a tiller tree, thinking i should switch to pulley as I start to use more exotic staves.

Does leaving a wood board bow drawn on a tiller tree cause any damage to the belly of the bow ie induce set, reduce cast, etc.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: mwosborn on January 11, 2017, 07:15:00 PM
Pulling it a few inches at low weight probably doesn't hurt anything.  But IMO the further it is pulled under greater weight and the longer it is held, the more damage done.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Mad Max on January 11, 2017, 09:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by mwosborn:
Pulling it a few inches at low weight probably doesn't hurt anything.  But IMO the further it is pulled under greater weight and the longer it is held, the more damage done.
yep
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Pat B on January 11, 2017, 11:33:00 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 12, 2017, 09:47:00 AM
Yes, sir.
Jawge
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 12, 2017, 04:45:00 PM
So how long is too long to hold a wooden bow drawn on the tree? And how much weight might a bow lose if held drawn that long?
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: LittleBen on January 12, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
I shoot all my bows with a pretty long hold at anchor, maybe 1-3seconds typically. I haven't really noticed that doing anything terrible.

I also commonly leave a bow drawn on the tree for long enough to quickly step back and look, then mark the belly side with a pencil where I need to scrape. Maybe 10 seconds.

I try to reduce how much I need to do that, but at the end of the day a well tillered bow will last longer, and you got to do what you got to do to make a well tillered bow.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Pat B on January 13, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
I try not to hold any selfbow for longer that 2 or 3 seconds. When I shoot I release as soon as I hit my anchor. If I find myself getting sloppy or short drawing I will hold for a second or 2 before releasing.
 Remember wood in a natural material and too much stress can shorten it's life or at least add more set.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: die_dunkelheit on January 13, 2017, 09:47:00 AM
Yeah during tiller it should be quick as others have suggested, but also always have a scale on it and never pull it over the intended draw weight.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: EwokArcher on January 13, 2017, 10:25:00 PM
During tillering a bow should be treated like you plan on shooting it. Any more draw weight pulled or unnecessary time held is going to be extra damage to the wood cells
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 14, 2017, 07:02:00 AM
I once had the T stick break. The bow gave me a nice bump on my head. I burned the t stick and made a nice portable top and pulley.

Nails driven into a board can work their way out.

Y'all are much braver than I am. I have no desire to get my head near a bow under construction while at full draw.

Jawge
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2017, 07:29:00 AM
Ah come on, Jawge...

Where is your sense of adventure? LOL
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Mad Max on January 14, 2017, 08:01:00 AM
I shoot a video with my camera and pull to full draw.
Then I use  Windows live movie maker and get a snap shot at full draw to post for you guy's.

You could do the same at any part of the draw.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2017, 03:56:00 PM
Been  8 hours now.. Lose the camera?
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 14, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
Look in the sock drawer.    ;)    :deadhorse:    
Dave.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: Pat B on January 15, 2017, 11:59:00 AM
A tiller stick and even a tiller tree holds the bow statically. Have someone take a full draw pic with you drawing the bow by hand. That will give you a more accurate depiction of the state of your bow than a static hold.
Title: Re: Tiller tree damage
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 18, 2017, 07:53:00 PM
Good one, Pat.
I call it digi tillering.  :)
Jawge