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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:20:00 PM

Title: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:20:00 PM

OK here's the preliminary results. It looks to me that what the base finish is has more to do with the finish durability than either the VHT or the Duplicolor wheel finish. I started with a piece of locust and used the edge grain. I sanded the wood down to 220 grit before adding the different base finishes. Once they were dry I lightly sanded them with 320 grit and wiped them off. I sprayed each with VHT and Duplicolor, let them set for 10 minutes in a 80 degree hot box. I did that for 3 coats and then left it over night to cure. I used the wheel finishes by themselves and over 5 minute epoxy, wipeon poly, superglue, rustolium flat camo and flat clear, Krylon blue paint, and Helmsmans gloss poly. Here's a picture of the rock that I used the point to hit each sample. I also hit each with a hammer at an angle. I don't think there's a finish that would withstand this with no damage. But there only appears to be slight flaking on a few due to the base finishes weakness.
 (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ijvaKj4tnw0YRpaF2MXiln85DSuevEYeiNvRDZ_ptEAwRy9NpdJDAt5vxl8HOlq1Pq5MRcTaV7FwySE5wPUGn8own3qej3FpFUFEx9ZnIonspoQYaHVniDQBsZdvSxmZPhR9AYczG4y6zMyIc5_AmD0VujMhthrcdgHFlYhmrDnlyffkAkH9cE80mteqyGwvPmshuk5ZYP5BJ5QQYRlqKFpqsUb8mWJ75n5rZkXPV4tqlvDkb2hZSwMgT_vLHNLDQaz9-QJP63JlnTTVvDlk3c7NrLrSHapG_pjP45mktYKToJN9wVibJD5ELY7ivdbwoJVwOgyHBwwlZbEyL176g7DFuwLluloas1zH1l1MMQq6ZrAyabvpHNxFA8lmy5eKFCHXmgxmP_5JoFiYnwmZybWp2p4YpoCx_ITGvnYYkjQ3KKEdNfo_8iBc-KfQgNU9oPHSckJDac6iWZb6QzvCNZTLGtbV6xDXH4eQDNIzZ40zf3ZhXryAyuhpBodUL4nqYHWevPwZxwng1AjJJlKPlyT0oyRqX5stYQ3vAysw4Vrl1j5TeS6HOrDJ03A4cKfs6oiaXwft00hZhnPpFAIHYZWE5mOs7ErI1sUzMnMAlsRzXeQ=w300-h335-no)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: passion for knowledge on December 03, 2016, 06:25:00 PM

Fairly thorough piece of research.

Would be easier to just be a bit more careful with your bows!

;-)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:29:00 PM

Here's the Duplicolor samples.
By itself.
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rb75f9kXDMapUcoRPO9k27ZtQBe1upvi6eibkvVOxA3VqbXtK7o4YIATopCGpd3MoI1-5NG8asPq0qCsoXIxnt5Icc0tiU4CXDMXHPq9VbjnVJs6Q3ts3osKAG8vmmdyMa-EL981Z_N8nlNFmY7ZqBnmksX-ynD4zAILOrNigzpM2MXeLkMkbIWW2SGJ7D52ep9vfs9wRIsq3j1UgRgpoRf5DomW7fi8773_Nhf44lAbtHBeH4Vbopib8yxYvnwBvvgfQMY1wDhDLhsVTmnZJ0eDKKft87x7jUf_S4TkvFtrVelPot1rfWLiEHfLnaPm5uMpvU2or396dV0xDKW70yiVhHC0kKQwzoPodSpdKTkm8DdzO68l5-Oro3kI2VUDvaAwy2OEDMYku7daFRJf28Y0EbqKiGvPwSDEx4UoZUQgVR4hpuocDmsvj2SIF1-ryzZPgmv5MehwNm31ghyZsoT3UqscnsPN5_o8ydvfY2l9h51WpLS3f9_ZiDkipaDQchJxW3qZIWQGIRF6rG7hre8aBv-32LEtWKKdomfQ2sV_JtMsaPt1RiIDr8dlDyZoNAkD6amZu0lo2HoCyFU0hAV6YDy3TEpXnPA5kg1Sm9PcoVI=w600-h417-no)

Over superglue
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/f4jiMr0Tu7jfNufrOKMsSgOa7WtgSI30hbeLH6uiMo13_HeFZ6TkpV5Vf_0jd6vgo03tIpEyL9izz5_oXucTMfcDFaZTNWpcCQ8HGW-xDxphUy2HWbd58qxOyTqgRU07VxIyTi9zNf0w7RYrt1IsDDuBRwtb3NXpZDSg5koD3h6VQu-iQYX3VFA9dLnOMYDVSSa1JCO1YyVSs6Bk6XLB1bu3L-9S2pw9l8uB-0YC7YJPC5SaUXAUWBJH9qwl5HfbotlRSHHS6OTGyseBTxIGFmeDx5STU3zmHsqCw4lxUgA_UBPVt21vpBAJKmhIotBrNaQCJdiwnRw9d8H2w9aG50O9kf5bmvu87G06f3OMr4Ia9IgsmSKt7--Z4fx_FZWu0jXGoxjgNydOeeNFFceXmwEhYrSJD78pMd8HwfFkQb5hzQAzU_2ZiTHaf2jys9A4oOsCYrh8hGs_TALhfEy2yLtQh_1gT5yHeG9W4NbeCJ02JJoxjXzL6Gz8JI9750-Zl9ofqzAuoLU9M91Afj37eRSFVqhtKRBvwIIxwRXcxcTVLFTT2Ra35C-pPF55psbQPQifDnj6hqkm-8JqSSDRXlPABnCMRGN9cXEMxtwJQR64Jmc=w600-h432-no)

Over 5 min epoxy
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ivGzD2_UkVPZxFEjxRAkUKvNQTAyNZMoH3bM9sDPYrJDoJx9AiM3PznPxHpgrLuOaKQwkgoRojxs0Yw6eV8O_Yhgm7dwsm3EijvrL6MneSlzm_Ozdfu0QBvKtepNvBEa8C8n4prKepYNgnlmbzNnBp4II5cmWXeXcF1qo3hOkPH3upE5r0UDZfK-fv9Ga3t10NDICPIVyWXwigVdiBKG3aeXj5MJqPNrGyKOz14VM20qzChAYEN6_BuaWomzFofhtqtRmQM3KwckO-Mf-vZhyeZ6AisWphnosxdLvc_OVTwS42uqEYNhjRk11oyhG8biSXllHKl3fZCQ7kaqUeZKPdO-K3lG13SmcA6Pe0gypGiofylMZ-0Lnob93LPTSqVVchJaRx9jJDBVGoFxCZShH1Aqpae2yi-JIyEAqaew8KpqyOFqgnYp6G1UElrm-DcJBFJiQ_alCL4omCvrgankQtQtcyvlB28SEMyS_MHJLkR-F4pwpAKH29kRaDFGKYXGUC0NhEQI06kAThPNEOVK61jTw0Rqxth8G25m2Jx5ksVP9Aas6IxWqhHyv0mnGE09Aw-OeSNtpEMck8Okb3aquDuVRTGbmhqWLtZ7O0_kGQULAq0=w600-h403-no)  

Over wipeon poly
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0omnv7urdQYuScWaUzWbQROkmmMhMX2l8Yna2gEwpkc-B8RoRG_sesJk0KNeokv-RR2zMzhPoIYoUyoHwdI_RFtS0yXv2ITn-X5xsaP73SJNvUQ66Z7YpvT-dBGf4DF5BMlHa9A8XysZo1PJ1Q2sS20H2k4NCBKlJqzC9mrJGbBTD3BmEzZ5G5tiwBxh9FA3vxeRkI3gGCnIFJ7wrZ3EwXQu2hbmFAhvo2cTf1UcsYnHMzk_8tv8prRfEon-YefNmi8lFquQdxinJW8F7ghn4XPg0FDo36d2UUeWsl2Xiae5eY8kUns-nnjyTSvHeDmaPVgImRhXWzwATAo0ZK0VPqTD6cuU2JF-0vKFjX5UWuDdGqWCoe8hMQxa-pFPtCMIESg5WSLS15-cKh1sqUtCkXMF9UOyl4zpoXj2hRE9CL-86Ou2uHt_P5R0eTAS7QndtRmFaqOoptctST-a6p8JrPoGnXMW1NpQ0W9qCefWFbF_iCsIOTy9Q_4oMdcewzpVOJur8Am3RNGlCha3tm8Mbkemm5bJN-oqBRDbG0yNQOdFXfXw2OQd-t0pBoImZ3Bu8ZlvcNoqiCF3RNxLQtU1ARx5aDTZvNB7M38NZjSwTBHayAc=w600-h418-no)

Over blue Krylon
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ST15aUwniDnyyWyjJTfvx16PLJuBfX3MEOcGdU1GtRDmFFQDFiqR3KjrZ41dAEMEz-64BQRKNSkf9ZOtFTc6oCiUIhKtMD0QUHN8207En6AHC1g83Z7-xJVhjfYWpJ2-ns4aamE7FZ4vYzoz9ddlCzTWl_6KiaCCH9Y8iFzkzO9J-0h18teBVi7-wCJkNZl7-66MQfgvlrLhZ4RL4y0i05YT7RL8dZPYk2M8KV63WMtVd6laBDfbgfzpvpUzsgs7szlBDm23BpIcIslRp_UsdR9uOzkLNzm8SRRwgoZa810xSSu5euCVu7q2o7Ub0N0hsTOgkeJlmuvGzNIAjwWKwBThJKbEDzPdwOltEm_-nmUTdqrzUpASEnjD5n0skf7BCLPFu5FXJXtrbSIRGrkO6L6SXhulC_XP1oZDia8c1pqTEaYm_W8SPG51woI29dR_FSqizq2fa2_ZJbys0ne2HodO6nHkQG3Lg6Wua3PjDOSq1Z4OsxzS8ALMTNvGuzQFbfsDpWfjle5BFzd5I-loRwDedvxktmqTEogVpd1icCNVJ6Nn-d7PFoYWWjh3Au6ii2Jj-j0EUtl6Tc5EBy_AfHSfAaQ4GUfsp3rsQHqAcV5w3ws=w600-h417-no)  

Over Rustolium deadflat clear
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/32rFe_WmoHXI-EkbdwNUGDq586lcaT06_iWh-9dvcbkoB7pnp6L3Z02Xe3AKWB0ADx5g83SlCEkwMEhDGcPfTIfF60OZf0Y7i6-MNYfPtXe438eJ3Sr87i98SKQx3H_JDqWKZDrzjFutBqguZqtSxXK_jx3vDgu5isafNNJ1iGNvm5DMBagtnotQQjz6LZZa_HVlva0PRl6CqparO7in30zsAcJz2rJbBGjR3vn_B6bOCP9rH6ZdWWGdzSh3jc7_9D0dKvfzPrgVg0uGUbzM_XopUb1iuKjX7bGxfJg9fS1VVndT99xIKKYFHysRn9TdgoBGA_3TUqUKcLiAvFsUaBWRNveq61BKPSXg-WjKP14m-_YQ9yZD1W7rLFQ-mDc_7gQpxedk2AyiMq7DlANXaF1BtmeIbSBwjzPRVvPhVJ4E4PvRBlWKl09K8JaqmOmY1HjDeEWlj8yXTEVW_EwOh7Zw-5qZ02DbmDL7_BOwpXpRQ2QId19nOxtYUKPzCngsXNk_VbNPMYNeKFDe2nAkNeNr5C2lTdlchk3ugs49TKL8nr66lY_GXfA00FZnSYCHfVv4BNVXfy4d7EgBI4iJZL88iRH35ZJMGzTWpETzksDb2hY=w600-h446-no)

Over Rustolium Flat Camo paint
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/FkuD9Vpr8J3j-a_2lQHsMfllYVF_YjOZ0jmS79tOqbv3n43S01AvPDl_4oBZA2h2APc1kl-beWajzR7kgSyxxB-TXOqMwz3rxIn-ltNQN_cEJeQN5PXokLrI7frSPsKUGPiZQs_W1c3VpKg-UFhP2IarkKkgDbAcprM9iKZ-5vny_qpR3UilA8wD6dcDzZ2WHrpQlEOspjhHfl-MfC-ZvrGFR6bWzZoAYvYh5vX1mGB6ou_VRQ4PSt2zUIeAuBymEEbd7nMlgG7jvPdjXaV96g_BbsYb7pJ5roxtI1X8OGaev47dmbQkZ7Um42eSPclqj_Z2ulhA_IZ3RAwqbVwfhUWip9C4FgC61yoQWJyqLO81XkGCneVLU772-xQzAm6ruBhiXCdePn659i-Q6MsJKMYjc8HuYp2-9g4vlPEULeRTm0goVoPgepXCF8eb1umSTD3lGhZ5asrj1kUrOVtgiUPEir42j1kO7XjEai18IYSHWXOTkubxMj8aEBbTso_RPWj7DgVh9CedKBg2RodH5QwjkjX1UjYSAx5lIJqzycUjEnntJaLPn2q4HnpGm9DJLAGUQlAQEQ5i2Z-P5I0g4Plim_Y7zHT4Ku99rN4OamCI_Q4=w600-h446-no)

Over Helmsman's gloss poly
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kxrw8Jp_WKAflzwR4C9S9DOFixR_IR6t3pGssUhn5dX-HCQgX5gEV0gYdlt7q4x8gC5qg61ckXqe3kXoDLXFtARkNnTo-Blb5JAC49hnAIbkiS9NdquXLeBTIyxTMj8Gb7mh1Zsuadv-pHKEOs0bniG0f6v41dppnE8aY3qo3KwcNnKmlqBJoWaIfQgsc9xRbWWyK7HMxz0iwUqRvpQDM8JgvDVXf9dJpwzL26W5ON73WuDX7VZbBSUzkK_TH5aUT_0OpI2Cpt7AqJNZ3Gt3vCZKEPxhDn-pdKxkYftQ-FSgso_yg9tZop1dgoC_wQp_MB38C-pDnb-u24GszD-oliXsbBSvo2xxg2hLFcSgvOrK4i7pcLPt8G-e_sXVTyDm4bm6qFldnfvKcdbGvpuNgS_2V0-LUNzAwV2vRRBNmbfr9uLl9K0SvrNUnwN-6xlKdLuYp0SQ2Tpmv69IFotVg9TZsEgAAwD-edQqZv-fw46GnqrpSNmMALtE07kTgHk0lDH5ka6eWanh-5zV3Mtlb1QoYsUU0AhZuI-H24l5QoJcs9gfpUdoRulIpUGIh391PlYeJK724tt434Fyo9hy978YgB3fFNRP2U4nqpmzW6vD6zQ=w600-h451-no)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:38:00 PM

Here's the VHT samples
VHT only
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4b5ViAcQNGV6kUr2kxWU6RrhNHFI9Lv29llLHr9TzBJXfFuVMTkOKqIZL7mRVWLF54lk8r1weG-tG0hGhajOjq-HadgiizCIn2y96lSqe5RDrkrugWC38kzGP4peN4QNhcn76FyQPWCR9cM_nCMS_IouYA2J5s_-C95_KrhxHlpNNBErK6H3wfTqf910cNPXL0eZ-v3qeU0BUaL2vg2iW0HNb1sZGL21zQuyK0-5tWGZxF4h8VyWnJJyeDnMtBp7vhRiPkXtu5ri6ejioQEPAwuwQu2-n-MpsPGLi6mc9yVODOZaqbFgqj9DvOC4fAEYbcgVa6AeQ0DHjiKROL0Yd_op0td6WzUq1ksl2RU2RNOvFtdERxaxi4lxl30giSCoZyQ3Lxbt2lWS2724Dft6w_npn61lI2qLYlJyPrNWc9ih9FQ06Q0cdg6OprLF6YLaVLgMuwfJmkdVe8D98x2GjcyxWKb0wj1F9supn0tOBh4s_0nQq_wUmumyMldX1dnydL7Kd9EE2IWpefghmRZOcY0rXJoCj04l6YA-80tjmmQl-To0gbwMcqooPCr0rRnWRUO9MZj89uhXVXUQXEGxfX2j_OKye0EHdQMp1SrfJwWPLMk=w568-h470-no)

VHT over superglue
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Vbf1FHBnHcZAwK-ANcdm4JNM9AuOLaTHtF4MNhFZ3qhXbFXdgESzQrPpwJ5QbnV_JrkSG_wj8zYNETD3bS-upQCuvpayjLlMgM-5uitF7bd27rt--o7DxdSpSmA4j_qrji5ZIci7nCxeL0d2iqSR3yyP5zDDE_B6ZwOzlJSwnBISnpCUbELfYlXTbF0Af1FP4tP8RwlGGLaJ9z4ZAtQpfVtoN-9zLSQ3NO0HfRCu3EN0EOAyJBTR4mcadEk3kJnq8pCv-g5RdJljOvbAG6OlCMrL1BAAb1kfk4EQUvxSTQOHahw8P3lUJvXJy1uwHhnmTcvTIVRdtDt3SKjfMAdlMxTcjNojK02wx11q_SFAVOPUUObEOtY1BYBRIAOXh6XI1odqRPPDCVaKo1xdrXa1IzpfAhJVlBIUihuyAOaMy0qIlrefx2UiULOWlIA2U1kQh0Mpd2LLAHViNkgICff-GnfRoFehM5-3hOy8ZwpENQ4EHk154WOdL4_XwHDu-lM0yqnIqH_26WuxgoGJhDNYXDsVntdih3jXOKtmlY1uIltR7o4mIr-KJCcXCiVpvywniMmS-BpdPb0B7sGKwYdXt9LdkXOnurd2GmshSMkwrSEfef0=w576-h470-no)

Over epoxy
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F-YsZXTgpL9iqvTl5bCcEuZkJLDHxqeviR65VwkKbm9s_Cw09-UsayaXPdnZvLml3SCEyX46ZALTGPGIcP5M4968NNlgKCqr94NMLdQ0eF0vtZXo8EwqR7BoP1ej_qVZVTWzGbD11FnFAIHNrUvJwAcSA2tTBXBorS9vrluM9J1cIK0cc3-EYyB3KdcsLUI2p5uhXbRM-3qi8jc2rgSS8rb5l4ZwhFJ9sy127K6scy4fumlWVV4-qdfGpAAH6vgM2sMa4N8D_8RIroYMtwaDN9VPEdamVKvueJAeZMxWHobjZzxDcNVR1mCEY5YrwLsOFyDxnOdZO2OQL-fkQoatAdKsfpceFv7zN08V6WbM5ZMOg8pPVrtRxu9itiGcjjHjliVw1S-dNSqLi1aLbkS4Frn7wyOfpBIkeXi-zELHnqvbgm17Hc8x0hUmURREw37Hp1jRikBSYRuh_w8_74puWOWrx3vipOm9nPCijkUiyhIwxuVPFQVnD0kcGfxc6C6bQz7R7WnVPbnU4V2j47gdTAblRgxSkkgPzaLISiFfAOWRJF_H1Bgs3nu4huKNZ-GenWRBEuMfPmJMrEsJ4IA1TzbXes4D4fbItEBYWGs33Vu1iXY=w600-h459-no)

Over wipeon poly
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vZDnSCA2c-t2OZnIC0wPG_4hAyfKyDs4vzunDw4kIhtosQWlof3DYtTuDGN-sCXKl7MIwEmM3ziBeEOeJ-IEVwX1y-BgZ_FtaowRnwwrdM97SLstjOYyjsS2Fi9HtVKEMc5udIMLTSMYhmzBK6Rslgpcvte2-WJe87Md9nb222QkGbrmmXLiEECrPAvt1hSpAqZngPiY0W13-u769r4MuMOhyv_m0yffs-f4ElQCYDneQGwZLJAaLJcHRmdV5IKo9bfe136GEV5fywyI3dbRkbqTXZe-SiQDOD1b7JocVk87ijTma4xB0HJMxv7UWSFGxQubDNhM63cWXBZrFPY3LGEwOzG3ZZv0OBTWx5uJ4WKEht0DINlRtNovPVel35kH6JWpbQhcUKcvSJa-1Y-A7eLbqhj7XeU4ibboZqkuVt1hU0eLgftuFCnY6A4YQUFV8d8N-xN0Vj1BVvtE-iM-2zBXzYZ1CFp_QxxpBq9aWKQ6FbnAIuMaaesePzs7eTXXRrx5ODRf-Fx29d-IpwBwrqYWCIVuxVC89ahcgy72s2uS0thndgvEJfIr8A80n3k3NOCn1iWdP7wlSTImIrAkIa47eCLnei4blBawGjn1jSGKOrI=w600-h463-no)

Over blue Krylon
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VW190ARZgyW9B1NYDbvzN4LO2XcBaZIj8Xvl_k9Vx2nbXkEVGYqj80-Kl4qUrypEBRjrHr5hzmzifHsNSYfRByYsUPQHRlFjLyYQ_LKDWAgdTnrFDUHjXlLGtyS-TSuO-kAYH7M54ViRmTQas_K6_bZmYlJgLyRmJTtQ73jrf9M52kpZLOVWFFpOFt04MFip0zWKKrq6XsYr6nUgiGXzvq4rWrM1K3xBnZZoigm_0dfTQrNubEAt7-WCHZ2sPT1owXat8wmZXN08vFu1588Ylq6VYFO4YD7KYsVNWicO74ovH1lry-rOJZEwcY0trOTC2KpYkWpRMbsiO1S7YZ3g-KbOW3b4fJh7Yc8-pHjv58DC_vih4csxFDi-DXwAxtXvbae_mwPsyQjmlAa2yRvsySQWheUs7kHSHf9_lgFo0Jv8l35pAx_f8L5_8sfjYTRMdWuEiQOTJ4BzLh6B1GLO7FaUb9d_yHZIXuEFpFwMoZENW9nDV9EbjgOjfNbwO_9Y3jGXWzoDteUFnoJowApiBnoub_l9X8ia0iGHs6GDXYRsPo3tam46ha1MfGKCEyJhlzzMO88hge_UwcLi3zkzKKJb-jTfWUlR1kzK040wwqZe4To=w600-h435-no)

Over rustolium dead flat clear
   (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2e8ayHrLg6IK4oGEgWKy_ejd4bAm4t4WNBgPOf4u5HqFTYutEw3yEor5uDOSSjdoSlox90VyUX3awZw9L_w5mOut_vAPG6VgRGy_iN7x0jLE-GRyfGKNuFXAZL0f4fDjzayg66tsLpLboc401xGvKP-blRLGElDiJ5b58J1GgsqwuqpQsO7gHdplQbmAuJSVNqTBQBOuDqveNm3MTbq4Y6QvXlPp1QAPxnzrJilpqWkVjiIdpOXqNqyIYhlvKq_sIuln84JJhyX9FGgSQ6ujF_TwuP9rRrkKDXmJjcrL5QGPsiapYHk8g_q52GwuYSJS23SmDYQbsbe8eEhGozy-ogcR6mssZ8XWnpJvUM3fErvmszhb-SdjX-LzqGg8ZDpEOhaTv7BDqG2fC8VioehvWB9U_yrkpJRTsnz4e_iDKsHDksBXVoDFNld9mEqGCSQ0_dsb545wcWG2cg-W4iHPrs_g78WMMGQmiq3h14oh6HHcqhsxm3v3RveD8U57GCIjTenQOtZALj8vKdIiIO_GuCcBet0_v80KT-xC7oBgSjzkNIPK1poPgo3-vbzxqsB8dHLs4zqfpLcwyrsXqysp8SwR-9wUVQiYl0QuX3Fqt6elR04=w600-h462-no)

Over rustolium flat camo
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Over Helmsman's gloss poly
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Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:40:00 PM

There didn't appear do be any conflict with these finishes that caused the base finish to blister etc but the base finish appears to be the weak link as far as durability is concerned.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 03, 2016, 06:43:00 PM

I'll have to try the wheel finishes only and see if I can sand them down to fill the grain to get a smooth finish but dang this stuff is hard so it could be a lot of work. Guess I'll have to get busy.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 03, 2016, 07:49:00 PM

From what I'm seeing there Galen, my duplicolor matte wheel finish probably chipped and flaked due to my not sanding well enough before I sprayed it. Not enough adhesion, I wondered about that ....

Thanks for the extra work brother!!

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 04, 2016, 07:05:00 AM

I have seen the VHT in colors in quart cans. But not the clear. Would be a good way to go for a lot of bows. I think the filler base coats will still be needed on some woods.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: monterey on December 04, 2016, 06:40:00 PM

Would the stuff in the quarts need to be sprayed?

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: mikkekeswick on December 05, 2016, 03:20:00 AM

You fellas might want to take a look at this company.
 https://www.clearcoating.com/testing/detail/scratch-hardness/

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 06, 2016, 03:31:00 AM

Pretty proud of that stuff!!

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 06, 2016, 06:09:00 AM

Ya all need a can of that black rubber they sell for dipping tools into to give them a nice chip proof rubber grip.

I'm having nightmares now. I keep dreaming about Ole Benny Boy sneaking into my bow shop and beating my bows with pointed rocks.     :)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 06, 2016, 10:12:00 AM

I'll mail you the rock Roy       ;)    
Hey Roy now that's an idear tape off the grip area and spray it with that black rubber for a super nonslip grip. Dang Roy you got me thinking. If I stipple the grip first then spray it with that rubber stuff it would look just like beaver tail without the headache of working with beaver tail. I'll post pictures later.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 06, 2016, 01:10:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by BenBow:
I'll mail you the rock Roy        ;)      
Hey Roy now that's an idear tape off the grip area and spray it with that black rubber for a super nonslip grip. Dang Roy you got me thinking. If I stipple the grip first then spray it with that rubber stuff it would look just like beaver tail without the headache of working with beaver tail. I'll post pictures later.

Now that is an interesting idea.  Please post some pictures if you try it.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: bow loving man on December 06, 2016, 01:51:00 PM

I tried it over true oil/armor all  finish and it is smooth and hard... I reallly like it. No adhesion problems.   But I'm not doing the rock test!   Lol

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: monterey on December 06, 2016, 05:35:00 PM

The beavers would like it.

Would it be tested by throwing it in a pond?

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 06, 2016, 05:56:00 PM

Ben, I don't have any problems working with a Beaver Tail... But I've been told Ole Kenny M has a problem wrestling them down  :)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 06, 2016, 07:53:00 PM

Roy I wonder if he grabs them from the wrong end    :knothead:
Monterey it's so dry here that even if I threw the bow into the Rio Grande the bow string wouldn't get wet.  Shoot even the three mosquitoes that live here are dehydrated.    :laughing:

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 06, 2016, 08:42:00 PM

Beaver wrestling is the MO state sport....  :goldtooth:

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 07, 2016, 09:07:00 AM

:biglaugh:     :biglaugh:

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Buemaker on December 07, 2016, 01:45:00 PM

Yeah, beaver is allright.   :)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 07, 2016, 04:48:00 PM

I took a sharp pick to the finish and pressed hard enough to dent the wood. Then I sanded it smooth and recoated. It turned smooth and good enough for this hobby builder who is hard on his bows. By the way I have a couple of coats of liquid beaver tail sprayed. Pictures to come in a new thread when finished.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: matt61 on December 08, 2016, 02:37:00 AM

Hi BenBow would it be possible for you put up a photo of the spray can of VHT clear coat that you have been using.
Thanks
Matt

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: bigbob2 on December 08, 2016, 04:03:00 AM

see you found it Matt!   :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 08, 2016, 12:12:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by matt61:
Hi BenBow would it be possible for you put up a photo of the spray can of VHT clear coat that you have been using.
Thanks
Matt

Matt here's a picture of both brands but i prefer VHT. I hear Duplicolor makes a wheel sealer that's good but I haven't had a chance to find some and check it out.
     (http://i.imgur.com/08qeMju.jpg)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 08, 2016, 12:45:00 PM

I used the can on the left for a selfbow.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: matt61 on December 08, 2016, 04:44:00 PM

Thanks BenBow, off to the Auto store today.
Matt

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 22, 2016, 08:57:00 PM

BenBow, have you done any flexibility testing on this finish?  I am about to finish a 59" yew bow with a rigid handle.  I'm drawing it 25".  I would like to try the gloss out on it.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 23, 2016, 10:20:00 AM

scrub-buster the only testing I've done is shooting the bows I sprayed with it and it hasn't pealed, chipped, or cracked. If you want you could spray it on a thin strip and bend it till it breaks or the finish fails but I haven't had any problems with it.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 23, 2016, 12:28:00 PM

I have the duplicolor on my bow and have shot it hundreds of times, maybe more and no stress marks yet....

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 23, 2016, 04:20:00 PM

Awesome.  Thanks guys.  I put it on an osage bow but its been to cold for me to shoot it much.  I really liked how it turned out.  I just wanted to make sure before I put it on a shorter yew bow.  It's hard for me to get a yew stave so I don't want to screw this one up.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 23, 2016, 04:36:00 PM

Mine is a glass bow, not sure if that will be any different.I don't do selfbows.... (yet)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 23, 2016, 08:21:00 PM

This one has the VHT on it. I plan on it being my 3D bow for this coming year so I will see how it does.
   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/crookedstic/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/20161210_152135_zpsxlec4oim.jpg)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 23, 2016, 08:33:00 PM

Mike, that doesn't look like actionwood. Is it dymalux?

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 23, 2016, 10:34:00 PM

I picked up a can of the VHT gloss tonight.  I'm going to try it on some arrows.  I can't decide wether  the Duplicolor matte or the VHT gloss on the yew bow.  I guess I'll wait until I put the skins on it to decide.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 23, 2016, 11:04:00 PM

All this high tech paint talk is making me dizzy from the fumes. Why would a guy spray it on a selfbow or wood arrows? The Injuns didn't use it.

I rub bear fat, possum fat, or beaver fat on all my bows and woodies..

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 24, 2016, 08:59:00 AM

Roy you didn't far to go  ;)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 24, 2016, 11:02:00 AM

How many power tools do you use to make you authentic indian bows old man    :D

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 24, 2016, 11:06:00 AM

I sold them all and bought me a hatchet at a flea mart, boy..   :)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 25, 2016, 10:38:00 AM

Mike, that doesn't look like actionwood. Is it dymalux?
It is from Rosewood Archery. Imported stuff they call it dymondwood. They have high density and a lower density like actionwood. That one is high density (they called it Walnut) Dont stink as bad as dymondwood still about as brittle though. Same stuff in this only camo
   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/crookedstic/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-11/20161103_091610_zpsubueu2iz.jpg)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 25, 2016, 10:52:00 AM

Thanks Mike !

Roy, Roy-- the Indians didn't have flea markets,

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 25, 2016, 11:58:00 AM

Ah shucks..

My darn history teacher lied to me then..   :)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 25, 2016, 10:46:00 PM

How many coats do you guys think I should put on a selfbow to seal it?

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 26, 2016, 07:00:00 AM

3

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on December 26, 2016, 08:26:00 AM

I think I put 4 or 5 coats on the last osage bow.  I didn't know if that was to many or not enough.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: kennym on December 26, 2016, 08:53:00 AM

My glass bow has probably at least four on it, sprayed the edges  2 or 3 to seal the wood then entire limb a couple then one with the flat wheel finish. No probs yet on it, but haven't done a self bow with it.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: jess stuart on December 26, 2016, 12:06:00 PM

Which sanding sealers have you found to fill the grain well and work well with the VHT paint?

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: matt61 on December 31, 2016, 06:30:00 PM

I have a Cascade Brushhawk one piece longbow and want to refinish it with the VHT clear gloss. Do I need to completely strip off the original clear finish first, would that be better. And any tips on how set the bow up to paint it so I don't have to touch it once I begin spraying would be good.
Thanks
Matt

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on December 31, 2016, 10:11:00 PM

Matt all I can say is what condition is the original finish? If it is ok try spraying a limb tip and see if the two finishes are compatable. If it is sound and compatible then wet sand it with 220 or 320 grit to give VHT something to adhear to. I use a wire hook that is shaped to fit in the nock and hang the bow. VHT dries to the touch in 10 minutes so after 4 or so coats take off the wire and spray the tip while holding the bow. VHT is something new so there isn't a lot of experiance using it. If you do decide to use it please let us know how it turned out.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on January 01, 2017, 10:06:00 PM

I put a couple coats on some cane arrow shafts today.  

  (http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv22/Outlawstaves/20170101_173302_zpsw96lekwf.jpg) (http://s666.photobucket.com/user/Outlawstaves/media/20170101_173302_zpsw96lekwf.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Walt Francis on January 02, 2017, 12:05:00 AM

Clint,

Let's us know what glue works with the the VHT.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: scrub-buster on January 02, 2017, 07:11:00 AM

Will do.  I'm going to try superglue first.  I'm out of fletch tite.

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on January 02, 2017, 08:56:00 AM

Nice arrows Scrub, pictures when they're done please

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: BenBow on January 02, 2017, 09:01:00 AM

Sorry double post

Title: Re: Clear Wheel Finish Test
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 02, 2017, 09:36:00 AM

Very nice, Clint.