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Title: Metal monster
Post by: BenBow on March 08, 2016, 10:06:00 PM
Finally healthy enough to get back out to the shop and have fun. Picked up some new stronger steel and started over. I'm trying it before putting on the adjustable limb pads to be sure it would stay straight. But its at 52 lbs now which is right where i wanted so now I'll have to think about whether or not I want to put the adjustable pads on because it will raise the draw weight. Anyway it spits out arrows so I'll play with it some more tomorrow and I think I need to make a little longer string for it too.
   (http://i.imgur.com/OHe4Whv.jpg)
   (http://i.imgur.com/4ZWgfa0.jpg)
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Post by: Trux Turning on March 08, 2016, 10:21:00 PM
Nice- you could call that the terminator.
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Post by: BenBow on March 08, 2016, 10:23:00 PM
HMMMMM   ;)
BTW it appears to be 67-68 inch nock to nock and 52+ lbs
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Post by: Mad Max on March 08, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
Metal Mania
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Post by: Jomohr84 on March 08, 2016, 10:47:00 PM
Cool! Never seen anything like that!
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 09, 2016, 04:18:00 AM
Looks nice there Mr. Tin Man.... LOL
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Post by: BenBow on March 09, 2016, 07:38:00 AM
LOL Roy that's the nicest thing you said to me
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Post by: PV on March 09, 2016, 09:22:00 AM
Definitely one of a kind!
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Post by: KellyG on March 09, 2016, 03:32:00 PM
Wood, Glass and Metal, oh my
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Post by: 1oldbowguy on March 09, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
Now that is some kind of a bow.  Specs if you can?  
What and how you made it. That is just crazy looking.   :thumbsup:      :eek:
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Post by: iohkus on March 09, 2016, 06:40:00 PM
Well, that's ................... different.
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Post by: BenBow on March 09, 2016, 07:32:00 PM
Here's the Force Draw curve and chrono data for the bow. 525 gr arrow at 182 fps at 28" 52.03lbs at 28"
     (http://i.imgur.com/8abCZVj.jpg)
Title: Re: Metal monster
Post by: BenBow on March 09, 2016, 08:11:00 PM
Here are some more numbers from different arrow weights. 52.03 lbs @ 28"
672 gr arrow @ 161 fps
476 gr arrow @ 189 fps
388 gr arrow @ 203 fps
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 09, 2016, 08:19:00 PM
Just shoot, LOL....
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Post by: BenBow on March 12, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Added some color to it.
  (http://i.imgur.com/2dwvX4w.jpg?2)
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 12, 2016, 07:12:00 PM
OH WOW.
FAR OUT.
NEAT-O.
CAN I HAVE ONE?
LOL
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Post by: BenBow on March 12, 2016, 08:59:00 PM
Roy whats your address? I'll send it and a matching tie dye t-shirt to you.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 13, 2016, 07:22:00 AM
PM sent, Ben.
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Post by: BenBow on March 17, 2016, 07:07:00 PM
Hmmm 6gr/lb at 30" = 225fps
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 18, 2016, 05:19:00 AM
Didn't happen wif out pichers or video.   :)
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Post by: ron w on March 18, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
:thumbsup:  I love imagination.......   :notworthy:
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Post by: Miles Bate on March 30, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
That's pretty cool . Now I feel lazy for grabbing an old compound riser , sanding , truck bed lining and grinding limb pockets. That really cool..
 I do however want to see some groupings.

  (http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w479/milesbate/IMG_0204_zps9km6nhqd.jpg) (http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/milesbate/media/IMG_0204_zps9km6nhqd.jpg.html)

Here is my first with this bow.
Title: Re: Metal monster
Post by: BenBow on March 31, 2016, 08:58:00 AM
Miles not lazy at all I've done the same with an old comp riser too it just didn't shoot as well as hoped. I've been trying different arrow combinations to see what I have that shoots best out of it. We've had weeks of 25-45 mph winds so haven't had the best conditions. Supposed to be relatively calm for a few days so hope to get something finalized.
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Post by: Miles Bate on March 31, 2016, 01:46:00 PM
I would really like to see your results. What kind  of arrows does it like heavy ,light , skinny , etc arrows .
Looking forward to hearing more.
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Post by: BenBow on March 31, 2016, 04:11:00 PM
Miles I'm struggling with the bow weight trying to shoot groups as I'm still recovering from a bad drug reaction. These are Beman ics speeds that weigh 630gr shot from 25 yards. Collapsed a bit on the low shot. I'll try some old blackhawk acc arrows that weigh 550gr later.
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Post by: BenBow on March 31, 2016, 07:17:00 PM
Man I have really wimped out. I had to shoot maybe 2 arrows then walk away for a while so I had enough strength to shoot a couple more. Never noticed this when I was out stumping.The 550gr blackhawks went all over the place so they don't work. Anyway here are a couple more groups all shot at 25 yards. The first is using my cheap wlmart stumping arrows which seem to work well
     (http://i.imgur.com/XzQawga.jpg?1)
The second is the beamans with a 250 gr point which brought them in at 675 gr. They weren't too bad but I was starting to pluck the string even more as I was getting weaker and the last arrow was a wild flyer.
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Post by: JEFF B on April 01, 2016, 04:26:00 AM
how are ya Ben,  WOW !!!! Awesome looking Bow there and i would stick with the walmart stumping arrows   :thumbsup:
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Post by: BenBow on April 01, 2016, 07:56:00 AM
Jeff its been a fun project that helped me get off my back
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 01, 2016, 08:01:00 AM
Not bad for an old timer...   :)
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Post by: BenBow on April 01, 2016, 08:56:00 AM
Yeah Roy if I could see better maybe I could shoot better. At least I still have most of my teeth.    :bigsmyl:
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Post by: JEFF B on April 01, 2016, 02:22:00 PM
at least thats something   :biglaugh:
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Post by: Miles Bate on April 02, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Not what I was expecting to see at all. These Walmart arrows that you used were they the higher poundage bow range like 50-70 or lower. I don't have the all the charts of the indivual spine. It could infact be settling as of use, I would be always cracking on those bolts in fear of it failing on me. If you don't mind telling spine of each arrow.
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Post by: BenBow on April 03, 2016, 08:35:00 AM
Miles the wmart arrows were 55-70 or something like that. They are cut to 28 1/2" with 250gr points and 4 2.4" vanes. The ICS are 400s cut to  29" with 120gr brass inserts and 250 gr points. I've been playing with different combinations and have an flipper rest that I can adjust the center shot with. But the biggest problem is my weakness and thats improving the more i shoot.
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Post by: BenBow on April 03, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Not sure what you mean.
 
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It could infact be settling as of use, I would be always cracking on those bolts in fear of it failing on me.  
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Post by: fujimo on April 03, 2016, 12:32:00 PM
i think he might have meant "cranking"- checking that the bolts were always tight   :dunno:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 03, 2016, 12:44:00 PM
Yupper. Bens bolts have been loose for a while now..   :)
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Post by: fujimo on April 03, 2016, 01:23:00 PM
:laughing:
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Post by: Miles Bate on April 03, 2016, 02:28:00 PM
Ha, ha, yes my horrible spelling. I did mean "cranking" thank for clarifying for me. My thought is that your linbs being wood putting pressure on metal Could cause weakness as they bend and suddenly stoping without any buffer between them. If I understand correctly metal doesn't bend easily . I worry that eventually the wood will rub off within the limb bolt area. I am not a building guru by no means . My question is there a buffer between the limb and area which its bolted to, and how much vibration is being placed in area. If there is too much it could leave to some substantial wear. I wish I could see under the limb.

I certainly don't want you to get hurt.

So if your using one of those arrows then it must like a straighter , stiffer ,arrows.

Very interesting .. Please continue with up date.

The thought of making a take down from a metal pipe as a riser and wood for the limbs. So Please continue. When possible.
Title: Re: Metal monster
Post by: BenBow on April 03, 2016, 03:06:00 PM
OK GUYS now I know where I stand, hmm guess I should clean my shoes now.    :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 03, 2016, 05:47:00 PM
Check the screws too, some of them are loose also. LOL
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Post by: BenBow on April 03, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
:nono:
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Post by: BenBow on April 04, 2016, 06:17:00 PM
Think I've found the spine this thing likes, now I can use Stu's calculator to come up with other combinations. 29", 500 spine carbons, aluminum inserts, a 1.75" footing, and a 250 gr point 532gr total weight.
20 yard bareshaft group
    (http://i.imgur.com/9w5nmQ5.jpg?2)
25 yard bareshaft group
    (http://i.imgur.com/cMmz1Vn.jpg?2)
30 yard bareshaft group
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Post by: Miles Bate on April 05, 2016, 09:02:00 PM
Cool, they look good. What kind of fletchings are those never see that shape before ?
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Post by: BenBow on April 05, 2016, 10:42:00 PM
Miles its a design I came up with when I built my feather burner out of a toaster. Its kind of a modified Dr Ed Ashby style.
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Post by: Carson81 on April 06, 2016, 02:55:00 PM
Cool bow, and nice shooting Ben.  I think I like the bare metal/terminator look better, but it is hard to tell from the one photo.  Definitely unique.
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Post by: passion for knowledge on April 08, 2016, 07:55:00 PM
Ben, we all like build-alongs.

Maybe you should consider a trip down to Goodwill to grab an old toaster so you could to a build-along for your feather burner.

Consider this a request!
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Post by: BenBow on April 08, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
Hmm I'll have to give that some thought because I'd hate to be responsible if OLD Roy electrocuted himself trying to follow my build-along
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 09, 2016, 05:54:00 AM
When you stick the arrow down into the toaster, what angle do you hold it and how fast ya rotate it?
You have a FFC of this process?  Forced Fletching Curve..
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Post by: BenBow on April 09, 2016, 08:57:00 AM
Roy if'n i use my drill I can spin out a dozen faster than you can say redneck.    :knothead:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 09, 2016, 09:28:00 AM
LOL

I have an OLD, home made, feather burner a guy gave me years ago. It's crude and antique looking. I'll have to get a picture of it.. It's built on an old foot pedal sewing machine frame. Ya have to pedal your butt off to get up enough juice out of the alternator to heat up the element..   :)
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Post by: BenBow on April 09, 2016, 09:38:00 AM
Dang Roy I need to build one of those and call it the Fletch and Get Fit feather burner. Just what I need LOL This is too funny, you can burn and feel the burn    :laughing:
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Post by: BenBow on April 09, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
Roy do you think anyone else remembers pedal machines??? HEY I can mount that alternator to the back of my bicycle.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 09, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
I was thinking about your bike and an alternator..


Hey you have an extra room I could stay in for a couple weeks? I'm a little tired of the spring weather up here in Pa on the 9th of April..  I cook, do dishes, and laundry, and I'm house trained.. And I could learn ya how to make real bows..    :)  

That's the bow shop just off the patio. Think I might head out there and fire up the wood burner and have a couple 2,3,4 cold beers.   :)

  (http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/ROY-CHRIS/april9.png)
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Post by: BenBow on April 09, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
Come on down Roy, you can sleep with the dog, she's house trained too. Crazy weather here though, got our first rain in a month last night but the high is going to be 72 today.