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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: fujimo on March 07, 2015, 03:33:00 PM
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the long awaited glass arrived 10 minutes ago!!
it looks awesome
no streaks that i can see holding it up to the daylight!!
was holding it up next to a piece i got from binghams- that was "hand selected" for being streak free- i can still see the small streaks in the gordons glass, cant see any in the new glass.
unfortunately the factory only sent me 040 glass, and i only have some 030 glass to compare it too
so the o40 does appear fractionally "darker" in color than the o30- and thats understandable.
as soon as i can find my sock draw- i will get some pics up.
will laminate them up today- and have pics up tomorrow of what they look like- but it looks AWESOME!!!
dont want to jump the gun here- and will wait for the glue up- but pretty dang sure i will be getting my glass from this factory.
and with the higher glass content- the glass does actually feel stiffer!!!- but i will also do some kind of rudimentary stiffness test on them- will post pics too!!
cheers
wayne
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I'm happy for you guys... :)
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Outstanding, Wayne..
Congratulations on your find.. I'll be interested in hearing more about this..
Group Order, Perhaps?
Jeff
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WHEW !! I was getting nervous that I'd have to break down and make one of them try-wood thingys
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thats exactly what i was thinking Jeff.
doncha be so smug mister wood guy!! :laughing:
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don' do it goobie- don' let it slip away on ya-
look how yer gonna end up!!! :biglaugh:
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seriously though- gotta remind you guys- that tri lam of mine- is one saweeeet shootin' musheeeen!
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Go for it, globbysan.. :)
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Did he send youxany kind of price list?
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Roy ... Let me break it down for you ... I think for them, this is like if you or me found a nice grove of 6" diameter bamboo with 3' node spacing .... Or a whole stand of clean Osage or hickory .... I think.
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:thumbsup: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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gonna chat to the factory chap tomorrow- if he got my mail in time- and will discuss all that-
will let you guys know asap-
just need to find out on the duties, shipping, etc
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Ben, I wasn't being sarcastic. I truly hope these guys find a good glass source. I make wood bows, but I love looking at the bows these guys turn out with amazing wood in the limbs.
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Roy wouldn't it be cool if you could use that beautiful wood without the glass. They'd look even better without the glass to cloud the colors.
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Oh ya, and a nice clear coat on them...
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Originally posted by Roy from Pa:
Oh ya, and a nice clear coat on them...
That is what we want to do ole Roy we just can't find any good clear coat! ;)
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Do a search on the internet for high strength clear epoxy liquid. Then ya just dip them bows into it and let it dry... Piece of cake I thunk.. :)
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I'm interested in this find. Keep me posted Wayne. If it works out, I'd be interested in some.
I found 4 pieces of .040 clear glass yesterday that I didn't know I had. It's older Bo Tuff... pre-streak... I think.
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Hi I would be interested in contact information for this supplier because I'm from Czech republic and it impossible to get anything else than Bearpaw glass which is very streaky and ordering gordon's glass from U.S. gets really pricey (postage, tax etc.). Thank you
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Fujimo, any updates on the glass?
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TTT.. Is this "new glass" nice? I could use 20 pieces of "good" glass..
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Man , I am right out of decent glass, need more colored too but need to get it all in one order to cut costs. Can't do my swap bow, can't do orders, winge winge. :knothead: :banghead: :banghead: :coffee:
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ok glued up some Ipe a night ago- pulled it out of the oven this morning, and got some pics of it, and the black limba layup i did as well.
this is what i have noticed so far.
1.the new glass seems to be visually "brighter" or more "transparent" once glued- cant tell the difference in the raw form
2. there are No streaks in the new glass
3. but...it does seem to have a very small fleck in the glass- it is not nearly as visible as the streaks- but it is still there!!!
it is more visible on the very dark wood- Ipe! and only when you get the angle, and the lighting just right!
this is going to end up being a personal decision- personally , i will use the new glass.
tell me what ya'll think.
i have e mailed the factory this morning- to see what they had to say about the flecks- and if that was an old problem, since resolved etc etc
Gordons on the left
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/black%20limba%201_zpsv9g7zra9.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/black%20limba%201_zpsv9g7zra9.jpg.html)
some very good- older gordons glass i have had around for a few years- but in the photos, now that i am "streak sensetized" you can see some mild streaking in it :(
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/black%20limba%20gordons_zpsihf5p8bo.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/black%20limba%20gordons_zpsihf5p8bo.jpg.html)
the new glass
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/black%20limba%20tsa%20glass_zpsselwm0xd.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/black%20limba%20tsa%20glass_zpsselwm0xd.jpg.html)
really tried to angle things to get the worst case picture that i could
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glass on the Ipe.
and this was some recent gordons glass, that i bought from binghams that they said they hand picked for me- being streak free. so not sure what that meant- i got the good stuff- and the junk was passed on to someone else- or they did not hand pick it- and its just the standard now.
i dont know what the answer is!! :dunno:
gordons
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/ipe%20gordons_zps1nkq8ryd.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/ipe%20gordons_zps1nkq8ryd.jpg.html)
gordons
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/ipe%20gordons%202_zps3ref23hd.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/ipe%20gordons%202_zps3ref23hd.jpg.html)
the new glass
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx309/mwnicol/ipe%20tsa_zps4awiqqfs.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/mwnicol/media/ipe%20tsa_zps4awiqqfs.jpg.html)
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Nice work! keep us posted on price and when we can get our hands on some.
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I would like to know a few things about this company. Is this an actual factory producing glass for the commercial market? What is the name of the company and where are they located? Do they have a web site and how are they marketing their products now? Contact information, price list?
There seems to be a lot of interest in this glass and the company should be happy to get their info out there.
Help us out here.
James
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Are you sure the flecks are in the glass? Many woods are prone to "gassing" and will give a perceived fleck look to it.
Haven't done a lot of ipe and don't recall there being a gassing issue with it..would think not.
I do believe that there is some with limba though.
Thanks, bigjim
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What's the latest news on this fiberglass?
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Might also be worth spraying a quick coat of finish over the new glass and seeing if some of that fleck is surface imperfection. Might disappear with a bit of finish
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seems to be in the glass- will try the suggestions though. awaiting the details from the customs brokers to see if we can get a better tarrif rating to help with duties.
what i did learn is that there wont be duties paid twice- once into canada- and then onto the states- it will be a single payment.
cheers
wayne
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I guess I would rather deal with specks than streaks man what is the cost :banghead:
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In those pics, it sure does look better than the Gordon's! Did they send you enough to build a bow? I'm curious about the strength to thickness to weight ratio, as well as the price.
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I live in Sweden and have used the glass frequently the last year!
It has the same stiffness (I use same stack) as Bo-Tuff glass.
The black glass from same supplier is slightly stiffer then the clear.
Almost all bows on my facebook page is buildt with this glass.
https://www.facebook.com/moosebows
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i can understand the frustration guys- it is just taking some time- when dealing with customs brokers and customs officials to get the initial paperwork all sorted out- once that is all figured out- then it will be a basic procedure from then on.
it will be available at roughly the same price as the gordons has been available for - give or take a bit- as best as i can calculate right now.
we can bring it in and pay a standard import rate- which will be based on the value of the product- and that will be high- but if we get this initial, but tedious and tiresome legwork done first- it will come in under a special tariff heading and rate, that will be at a significantly better rate- but that , sadly all comes at the cost of time- for the first shipment.
thank you all for the patience- and as soon as we have final costs, you guys will be the first to know---promise :D
cheers
wayne
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No frustration here bro. Thank you much for your time and effort. It's appreciated :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I's could swim over there and get it faster than this fujioboy... :wavey:
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Hi Martin,
could you please send me information where you are
buing this new glass? I live in Czech republic so it would be quite cheap for me to get it straight from Germany. Thank you
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I'm starting to get excited
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can yunz swim ol'timey :bigsmyl:
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I swam the English channel once.. :)
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Was it lenght wise? :bigsmyl: Bue--.
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I flew right over it Roy. Didn't even break a sweat!
Dave.
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:laughing: :laughing: Bue!!!
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"i swam the English channel once"--- Was that when it was still only a ditch in the medieval ages Roy? :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl:
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Ok Bobby, nuff outta you..
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:bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :thumbsup:
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Too late, I added ya to the thumpin list Bobby Boy... :laughing:
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hope ya'll got a loooong arm! :jumper: :jumper:
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Any more info on this?
I think if another source is established it is a good thing.
I have not made too many bows but I have posted several times on the glass milky and streaky.
No faith in Gordons quality for us.
Chicken today feathers tomorrow.
Thats Gordons..
Lou
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allright... so its been awhile- and after hearing all the good news( or so i thought!) about gordons getting clear glass, i kind of backed off on my side. really did not want to step on any toes.
but recently i have been informed that the clear glass may not be all its cracked up to be- and apparently Gordons dont know about this clear glass thats is being sold- so i need to get to the bottom of this first.
this is my main concern, if we do start importing clear glass from Europe- gordons- who apparently find the clear glass, a pain in the ass :laughing: might just quit making bow glass altogether- and if ever our supplier has problems of their own- we could be up the creek without a paddle.
also, in full disclosure,this supplier does not want to deal with hundreds of the end users- for the sole reason, that their costs are really quite low, and have not costed in all the extra administration costs of dealing with individuals- they are a big supplier, and have been around a while- but are geared for mass distribution, and not retail sales.
so they have approached me to be their distributor- and i am considering that- that should make it easier for local guys to get just a few pieces etc, and not deal with the whole import export thing.
if i do go this route- i will register on here as a distributor, pay my dues, and then move this all over to the appropriate sub forum on here!
what are thoughts on all this?
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I have been wondering exactly that, as you have suggested re the that possibility.One will never know either whether Gordons might just decide the clear glass is too big a hassle in any case. No easy answer to all this, but would be good to have the second option of two suppliers if it was feasible.
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Who gives a crap about gordons if you have access to a better product? If it is not better why waste the time...
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i just dont want to be the guy responsible for gordons stopping making glass, clear, coloured or otherwise.
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It's really pretty simple. Gordons has had a the glass business locked up for several years now. Without competition they can do as they please. From what I'm seeing they have decided to stop culling glass and forcing us to except what they offer reguardless. Competition will either force them to get off their backsides and improve their product or stop making it. If they stop making it and see how well the competition is doing they will start back with a better product. It's just simple business.
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that is a good point Troy. i just didnt want a situation, where they stopped manufacturing, and something happened to the new supplier- and then there would be nothing. but you have an excellent point.
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Even if everyone here bought only the new glass, it wouldn't be drop in the bucket for Gordons. It might however get their attention enough to clean up their act.
If you have the time, we need the glass!
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i have the time, i just backed off some when i heard that there was new glass that was good, but i will persue it again.
thanks beachyboy! :D
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What's the skinny on the new glass?
The last bow I just did was from Gordons and had some streaks but I was able to get rid of them by sanding up to 1000 grit wet.
That being said I would love to have a local supplier for my glass ;
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If you had no competition your standards could slide some and it wouldn't be a big deal.
I've made my last 6 or so bows with this glass, sure it's got some 'flecks' in it but they are evenly distributed and all the same size so it kind of looks like they are meant to be there and the look is acceptable, to me anyway.
It seems to be the same stiffness etc as the Gordon's glass, same stack has given me the same weight.
If Gordons sort out their quality control though I would rather have it without the flecks...but then there is import duty for me to pay on anything from America.
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Just a side note observation or question...How is this glass situation impacting the big bow makers - like Black Widow, Great plains etc.? Are they recieving the same glass as we are or are we getting the left over product?
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Just a SWAG, but many of them probably stocked enough of the old glass to weather the storm?
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If this company was capable of producing clear glass in the quality and quantity you suggest, then there are distributors already set up that would be glad to take their line on and the manufacturer would be pursuing these distributors. I am sure this company does not have machines and employees sitting around waiting, while you toy with the idea of importing/distributing their glass. Just 10% of the US and Canadian market would require an enormous operation.
James
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James, I am going out of my way to try and help others , in the spirit of the general attitude on here, namely tradgang! I personally elected to back off on the deal, when I heard all sorts of feedback that Gordon's had resolved their issues, which I since have found out, does not entirely seem to be the case. My prime motivation in doing so, was to not create an issue with supply, for all the other bowyers on here. This was not all about profit and business enterprise for me. I have a good job, that more than keeps me busy,but my intent was to help people out. If you would care to have a decent conversation with me, and to refrain from the unfounded insinuations and assumptions that you are making, then please feel free to pm me. Or at the very least, to respond in a decent manner on the thread. I take objection to your attitude.
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From my interpretation of the issues around the quality of clear glass emanating from Gordon's, it is apparent to me that fujimo's actions to date concerning another possible supply source was done with the best of intentions and really does not warrant any aspersions cast upon his motives nor character whether tacit or implied.
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Would be nice to see another source of good glass. It would undoubtedly result in a competitive spirit between the two. We could end up with two suppliers of good glass. Might even be some price competition there.
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Fujimo.................
Go back to the second page of this post and respond to the questions I asked over a month ago, that should do it for me.
James
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Originally posted by JamesV:
I would like to know a few things about this company. Is this an actual factory producing glass for the commercial market?
yes it is a real company. they produce all sorts of glass products for the aeronautical and recreational industries
What is the name of the company and where are they located?
cant say at this stage- sorry
Do they have a web site and how are they marketing their products now?
they have been selling their products for a long time, and are a well established and respected company.
Contact information, price list?
:biglaugh:
There seems to be a lot of interest in this glass and the company should be happy to get their info out there.
as i have said, the bow glass is an incredibly small aspect of their business- and they require minimum orders for them to even look at it. but they are not interested in dealing with lots of small export orders, can you imagine the logistical and administration nightmare for them- they want to simplify things for themselves and their cost infrastructure, and deal with distributors
Help us out here.
James
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and for Bob and Monterey, and all other interested parties out there. i shall pursue this further, and hope to have glass available in this country as soon as is possible.
but like i have said, it is heaps better than the streaky stuff from gordons, but the last sample i got, did have that minor fleck in it- i would check it out on a sample piece before making up a full bow. it is not noticeable on the medium and lighter woods, but on my ipe sample it was noticeable- but certainly not as intrusive as the streaks
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Fujimoboy, do they make Osage lams? That's all I wanna know son..
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:biglaugh: will see if they do orange glass!
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Any updates Wayne? If it makes it easier I can pick up at the airport or port in vancouver for you? Help keep your import costs down.
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thanks Cody, might very well call on ya mate. :) :thumbsup:
this is the latest news- but i am a little gun shy about posting updates on here now.
but anyway- this is the latest:
i am super glad we did not rush in and buy a whole heap of the glass - similar to the sample i showed on here- it had those small flecks in it- and even though it was heaps better than the gordons glass- it was not quite 100%- and i was a bit apprehensive- so hence the reason for doing the sample layups, and posting pics- in order to get a general opinion.
speaking to the supplier again, and chatting about the bow market, they have jumped right on the plan, and have sent me their latest samples- which is apparently very clear- and free of flaws( like ze vindo glaas- they said)
so the new samples will be here shortly- i cant wait.
i must point out, that this is the second time they have sent me samples- via air shipping- all at their cost- without so much as a request from me.
i am finding them a pleasure to deal with thus far.
prompt delivery, and honest about their products.
will keep everyone posted.
please remember,my main motive here is to try and resolve a problem- and to help some fellow bow builders out.
not trying to screw anybody around, or lead anybody down the garden path!-if this is taking too long- or its too frustrating- just keep using whatever is available till we get this stuff here. i just had a hunch/feeling about the previous samples- and i am glad we waited a bit- it seems for the best now.
cheers
wayne
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all sounds good to me!
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Thanks Wayne for the the due diligence
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Great to hear! Keep us posted
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Don't be reluctant to post updates. For every member who posts here there are another 10 to 20 who read. That makes a bunch of us who are following your efforts. Don't allow a few negative comments to discourage you.
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What he said ^^^^
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Yup...
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Roger that---thanks mates :wavey:
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Amen
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Looking forward to seeing the new samples! Thanks for your efforts.
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I'll have to sus them out when I fly out to your place ;)
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wont have time to Cody- we'll be too busy fighting fish the size of buses! :biglaugh:
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watching this thread with interest along with the rest of you. I do know there is a company in germany called bogen sport-beier that claims to have good glass available. I am thinking of placing a order with them to see if it is good glass. anyone else purchased from them ?
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helo, sending you a PM...
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I tried to look at bogen sport-beiers site,and its all in German.Couldn't get a thing out of it.It was all Greek to me. :laughing:
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http://www.bogensport-beier.de/shop/bogenbaumaterial/glaslaminate/4552/klarglaslaminat-hochtransparent-0-92x35-mm-x-1-88-meter-74-zoll?c=1269
If you open it on Google Chrome it will translate everything for you
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http://www.bogensport-beier.de/produkte/boegen/glaslaminate-im-bogenbau/
This is interesting also...
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I'm afraid ol' chrome had a bad day translating! Still, sounds promising but not sure if it means they have the clear glass wired or merely they meant the colored glass.Also not sure if they were referring to ULS or UL.
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I just finished grading my new load of Gordons glass and I am very very happy with it. I'm not saying it is perfect, I just haven't seen any common problems with it. I also haven't glued any up yet, but I'm excited.
It is now listed on our website for sale.
I would bet that the glass from bogensport is the same as Bearpaw...There is no way that Bearpaw makes their own. Even the worst Gordon glass was clearer than that of Bearpaw.
BigJIm
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I have 6 pieces of the Beier German glass.. If you want to try it I can send it to you.
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Fujimo... looking forward to hearing about these samples, thanks for what your doing!
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thanks Ian,
yup it should be in any day now.
then we will see! :)
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Could you also check it for strength? I have bought 3 different brands of Clear fiberglass this year.. I bought 2 pieces of one that when unpacked it did not lay flat on my bench, the ends stayed about 1 inch above bench and it was very streaky..I didnt test or compare it to any other brands of glass since i knew i wouldn't be using it. Another one looked like it could be clear after glue up but I didn't like the "rough" glue side of the glass, its not sanded like Gordons Glass but has a rough almost stippled like surface for gluing..it did lay flat on my bench when unwrapped so that is good..it is thinner and wider than the 1.75" 040 UL UL glass I typically use. The only test I did was I clamped a piece of it 12" past end of bench next to a piece of UL and hung a c-clamp off of the end to see how far it flexed..the Gordon's appeared stiffer..I switched clamps in case of weight differences and Gordon's still had 1/2" less bend..now this was not a scientific or fair test since the Gordon's was 040 1.75" wide and the other 035 but 2" wide. Clear "strong" defect free glass would be awesome!! But clear defect free glass that's "weak" would not make me switch from Gordon's.
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i most certainly will do a bunch of tests and sample layups again- and show everybody.
seems like you have done your legwork Robert :thumbsup:
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Fujimo, some good testing would be a plus, I know you are putting in a lot of time and effort into this and don't want to end up with a warehouse full of unsold product. I only did a simple hang a weight off the end test. A real scientific test would be more involved, too bad I don't know any engineering students at the University of Florida..they could really test the materials and give real results. I had to buy the glass, so I did lose a few dollars. I should glue it all together and make a solid fiberglass riser.
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I can take some back to UBC and ask my sister in law to test it. She a engineer
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thanks Cody- we will have to do that- when it arrives i will get some off to you- how much does your sister in law need?
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So................This "secret company" cannot supply any tec. data to a prospective distributor??????
Interesting
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I'll find out. If she can't do it I also know a couple of other engineering students who might be able to.
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You know, I learned something a long time ago...
If you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything.
Dave.
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:)
i really dont know if i should respond to this or not, but for the benefit of other readers out there i will venture this explanation:
they have reams and reams of technical information.
what i , however, am interested in, is how this glass compares to other glass currently being used.
according to their specs- it is stiffer than the gordon glass, and stack heights need to be reduced by 10% to attain the same draw weight.
i merely want to verify this, so that there is not an entire first generation build of overweight bows out there.
James i am really sorry that you have decided to take this tack with regards to me- i am not sure if i have ever responded to one of your threads or previous posts in a negative light, if so then i humbly apologize. in fact i have always held you in high regard, and on a par with all the other good folk on this site- i have certainly never harbored any animosity towards you, and i sincerely hope i have never inadvertently demonstrated any animosity towards you.
i really enjoy my time on the bench here, i enjoy the camaraderie, the friendly joshing, and the open kindness and giving ethos right across the board. there is something very unique about "the gang" that does not exist on any other forum- well certainly none that i have been exposed to. i would like to continue in that light on here.
i do realize that this whole process is taking some time, and i do apologize for that. i am going as fast as is possible with the product. the mistake i made was to tell people about the glass, before i was 100% ready with it. but initially we were going to do a combined retail order, the supplier has asked not to do that, as they do not want to be dealing with multiple small orders.
so i have opted to lay out the cash, and distribute their product- so, i am sorry, but as this is a significant investment for me- i will be protecting my source- like any reasonably astute businessman might do.
it is not in my nature to be unnecessarily abrasive. i live by a very simple maxim in my life : " i dont make sh1t, but i dont take sh1t either", so jamesv if this is something you feel that strongly about, i would be more than happy to forward you my physical address, and you are more than welcome to come and discuss this with me in person, in any manner that pleases you. i am never impressed with people who hide behind a computer screen to make their insulting insinuations.
so until you have some money invested in this JamesV, or have an outstanding, unfilled order- just shut your trap, and stay off this thread!
to the rest of you folk, thank you for your time and patience. we are close to seeing a result. in the meantime- looks like gordons seem to have possibly resolved their issues somewhat- Big Jim has all sorts of glass.
this process was never intended to hurt or destroy Gordons, or to swindle people out of their $$, just trying to resolve an issue.
thanks all.
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Fujimo, your intentions and motives have been clear from the beginning. At least to myself.
I am baffled by the negative comments. If there is an agenda behind them, it is hidden.
Just continue on. Many here understand what you are doing and appreciate it.
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Fujimo.............
You are the one that stated that this company has to remain a secret when I requested more info. I think this thread, all 7 pages, is a crock and shouldn't have been posted until you got your ducks in a row. But again this is my personal opinion as I am sure you have yours.
Cheers
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I'd rather not buy into this as I don't 'know' either protagonist personally apart from my dealings on this forum, but i really believe you are are well out of order JamesV with a belligerent attitude in regard to fujimo and this post.In my humble opinion fujimo has sourced a possible alternative to the current supplier, which he is entirely entitled to do, and to relay that information to others on this forum, and that in the interests of protecting a possible commercial involvement in said same, would naturally refrain from explicit details until such time as any financial investment is protected.I for one can easily see the logic of that!
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Well, there have been 105 replies to this thread, and the only negative/ignorant posts have been from James. Not sure what your objective is James. However, you have the right to buy your glass anywhere you choose! I suggest doing that, instead of slinging crap at a man who is just trying to help other bowyers out.
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Spot on boys! !
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:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Dave.
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Keep calm and carry on Fuji!
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I've been watching this thread periodically from the beginning, seems that Fuji and jamesv are both looking for answers to the clear glass issues we have been having for some time now, I think james has legit concernes,nothing more intended.Fuji is trying to resolve a problem and for his hard work should be fairly compensated if he prevails,nothing more. I have made a wonderful shooting bow with streaked clear glass,my fault for not doing my due dilligence,my only reason for looking into this is to find good clear glass.I'm not in for a pissing contest, I think some should not assume james unanswerd questions are anything more than that. As far as this thread,its way to long and I appoligize for making it longer
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Fujimo, I live in Brazil where we don't have much access to archery stuff.
Bo-tuff for example, in Brazil there was only one place who sell it and it from bearpaw.
But now these same place started to make your own bows (for bearpaw) and stoped selling the glass, breaking all the bowyers.
Some time ago I made contact with gordon and bought some glass and re-distribute to a couple of bowyers here, but now Gordon closed the door to make business directly with us forcing us to buy with any distribuitor.
The problem is because the shipping, the tax and the down of our currency, the glass arrives here costing 3 times more.
Could you send me the contact of this company? ( can be in MP )
I would try to make contact to try help our bowyers here... :(
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will send pm Elison.
heres an update on the glass.
the samples arrived- I thought they looked really great- no flecks like the forst batch- some faults but pretty darn small.
i sent the samples down to BIGJIM- he said they were ok- better than the run of the mill gordons stuff- but not perfect( or something like that- been a while :) )
he said he would build a bow with them, and have some feed back- guess he is just really busy- dont know if he got around to building the test bow yet :dunno:
so thats where it sits- i really wanted to bring the stuff in, would help us all out- little despondent right now.
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thanks for the update. I hope this all works out for everybody.
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fujimo i still have the two early samples you sent as I'm trying to find the time to make a bow for myself so I can judge the difference in strength etc compared to other stuff.These are the ones with a little fleck in them hence the reason to make one for myself. Still not sure when I will find that time just yet as things are a bit hectic for me at the moment. As soon as i do i will let you know how it went!
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OK Fujimo! I'm waiting...
Thank you very much! =)
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I'm sorry I haven't gotten back with you on the glass. When I received it I was unable to start due to much traveling. Three days after our last shoot (end of Aug), I had a hip replacement.
I'm still on crutches and can't stand more than 10 minutes at a time. As soon as I'm able, I'll glue those up and let you know.
Bigjim
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notta problem big fella- jus' when yer ready! :) :)
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Sorry to hear that Jim, get well soon.
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Wish the best and a speedy recover, Jim.
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Thanks guys. Recovery on the hip is going well, but the rest of my body is falling apart. This too will pass.
I am surrounded by very good help though and they are getting most things done without me.
I figure another week and I should be in the shop albeit a limited basis.
thanks, bigjim
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Fujimo, please! Don´t forget about me! kkk...
=)