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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: Roy from Pa on February 25, 2015, 10:21:00 PM
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Osage belly, red elm core lam, backed with bamboo..
Got the tips flipped and core lam and boo ready to go.
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You stole my idea.....just kidding. I was thinking of using a wedge on my flat board form like that. Great idea to get the ideal bend. :thumbsup:
P.S could you steer me towards some of your previous builds.
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No Ipe huh
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get that feeling like we are all off on another cool road trip (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/pozitive/m1205.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/m-pozitive.php)
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Geese that's a thick piece of osage for a tri-lam. What are you making, a 100 lb bow? You could almost slice that in half and make two of em. No wonder you gotta heat bend the ends to get the shape you want :jumper:
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Put your specs on, it's 5/16th thick.
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They're already on.
How thick is the elm? Is it tapered?
What draw weight and length?
Bow length?
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Looking good Roy
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I'm not telling ya... :)
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Elm is tapered, Osage is tapered, 66 3/4" tip to tip, 52# at 29" draw. Bottom limb is 1 1/4 inch shorter than top limb. Not for me..
Center of handle.
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Top limb.
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Bottom limb.
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Center of handle again.
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Elm at tip.
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I make the top limb thickness a little more than the bottom limb, because when tillering the top limb has more pressure applied to it than the bottom limb, do to the placement of the pull rope and drawing hand being above center. It results in not having to keep removing wood from the bottom limb to get equal limb timing. I've done it before like this and it works great..
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OK who's building the bow??? Those aren't bowyers hands, the fingernails are TOO clean.
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That's some old guys hands.. We do have soap and water here in Pa.. :)
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By water do you mean coors light?
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But isn't your water frozen now and who has time to wash your hands when building bows??? Course maybe I drink too much coffee which is also why I have to use fiberglass in my bows to keep them from blowing up. :knothead:
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I thought a Tri-lam was a BBQ sandwich from Santa Maria...
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BennyM, knock it off.. :) BenBoy, we have heat too, but not outside.. Beachyboy, are they any good?
Just glued her up, tucked away in hot box with a couple light bulbs and heat set at 50 in the shop, going down to almost zero again tonight. I'm really growing tired of February.... Mid limb posts are set an inch closer to the riser from dead center on this one. Normally I place them at dead center between flares and tips.
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Looking good Roy!
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Roy, what did the hardware store say when you bought all those clamps? :goldtooth: :goldtooth:
Looking good!
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Hmmmm.....interesting.
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They probly said "wouldn't an air hose be easier?" Lol
Looking good Roy!
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Lookin good Roy ole Boy! When u gonna "TRY-LAMinating" some glass? U ain't skeered is u?!
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another "Rippin' Roy Rocket" in the works
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Hmm, I might like it without all them clamps. Bue--. :)
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Sounds like some of yins are envious here of ole roybert
Hey Roy I'm finally free this weekend... But Saturday only. Ya wanna play with wood?
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Originally posted by Black Mockingbird:
Ya wanna play with wood?
Well Chris, he probably does. But hopefully you don't have Soy's problem...
:readit:
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Saturday doesn't work for me, Chris... Sorry brother..
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holy smokes :laughing: :laughing: ,
had to get back up off the floor to write this- yer fellas are good for a mans soul-
was feeling a little down, till a minute ago that is!!!
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ttt
was happenin fella- wanna borrow my camera :D
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Have two new guys been coming here to make bows so I spend more time watching and helping them than I do working on my bow. But I hope to get it cut out tonight.
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Now you know how I felt Roy, answering questions for a dozen or more guys sometimes at them Bownanzas. I always had a bow there I intended to work on and seldom ever touched it. Makes for an exhausting day running back and forth trying to avoid disaster at any moment :^) but when it's over it sure feels good knowing you're passing it on.
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Yes it does feel good, just bums me out only having made 1 bow this winter compared to 3 or 4 like I normally make.
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you are good men, paying it forward!!
however I am sure happy that you built at least one bow this season :D :D :thumbsup:
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Heck, yer retired now!!! Who you tryin to b.s.?!?! I'd like to have half the free time you have :^)
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Also have a 3 month old puppy that I gotta keep an eye on.. :)
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That pup is an angel. You need a better excuse than that.
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Originally posted by canopyboy:
Originally posted by Black Mockingbird:
Ya wanna play with wood?
Well Chris, he probably does. But hopefully you don't have Soy's problem...
:readit: [/b]
Hey now cantaloupe boy I got the job done before pressure loss :readit: :thumbsup:
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True dat.
If we're all honest (and that will never happen), you'd probably find out that staying fully inflated for 4 hours or longer is tough for most of the guys here.
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and dangerous to boot :saywhat:
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LMAO
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gotta be honest here..
a little concerned that both ol'Soy boy and candyman were gettin' the job done before experiencing a loss in pressure- is that kinda like a team sport- this tandem 'bow building' thang?? and i just caint fugger out who was losing the pressure- quote is a little unspecific (http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/emb/t1813.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/t-emb.php)
this is me :readit: :thumbsup: [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Yikes! I'm afraid to ask guys where they got that wood from now.
Glad I'm a wood guy, though. It's just the glass guys who have to worry about their hoses losing pressure. :smileystooges: :D
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All us wood guys gotta worry bout is squirrels burying their nuts in knot holes... :)
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Yunz r to much ....got that trilam done yet :dunno:
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New guy came over this morning and we glued up his second tri lam. Then I cut my tri lam out, it needs cleaned up yet, this is right off the band saw.
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And looking at this picture of the riser, I see I did not cut it right. I need to recut it so the angle runs to the center of the handle so the ends of the handle area angles lay flat on the edges of the tree cradle angles. But I can do that, duh.. :)
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Bought me a new farriers rasp yesterday..
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Puppy and her bear, sitting on mommies lap at the kitchen table... :) At 27#, she is getting to be a load sitting on our laps in the morning. She curls up on our laps and goes to sleep, until our legs fall asleep.. LOL
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Just a cool picture of winters last days..
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I guess it might turn out ok. ;)
I'm getting spring fever. Supposed to hit 40 degrees today. :eek:
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Good thing Nancy got her Christmas decorations down ! LOL
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That spring tooth harrow brings back memories
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Well back to the bow.. The new guys are starting to take off alone with a little help here and there. I have it braced to 4", have had it pulled to 19". Left limb is just a tad stiff, but I don't get serious about removing wood till I get to a 6" brace height.
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A bow and arrows my buddy Denny and I made for a young kid we don't even know. Check out the stain job Denny did on the bow, he does nice work.. Denny also made the arrows.
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Kenny rasping off the glue boogers to get to the glue lines.
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Jerry filing in string grooves on his second bow this winter.
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My bow on the tree in the back ground and the form setup for a bow Denny glued up last night.
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Thanks for the pics Roy.
I'm always looking at your past posts of tillering progress.
..I have a whole folder of pics and hints with your name on it...lol
I always need to look at the pics to reassure myself I can get the fades bending a bit more early on..have a horribly strong want to get the outter limbs bending early and leave 6-8" past the fades too stiff.
In short..thanks for sharing.
I think you might help others more often than you know. :thumbsup:
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Really like the looks of that bow you and Denny made. Jeez...I'm so old that I can remember when Pabst Brewery actually made the beer in my old home town of Milwaukee. Back when the Braves played baseball there... :rolleyes:
Your shop is way too clean and orderly, Roy. :)
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Zradixson, the area outside of the fades is the last part I work on. That area gets a lot of stress applied to it. The farther you pull the bow down the tree, the more stress applied there. It will come around when you get to a longer draw, but yes it will/may need some wood removed, and you will be able to see that.. If you look hard enough.. :) And then all you need to do is work on that area.. I concentrate on the mid limb area first, then as I get farther down the tree, the tips and fades come into the equation. The whole idea of tillering, is to get an even bend in the entire limb. While not developing any hinges... Wood bows are a unique animal. Tillering them takes time, hours, patience, persistence, and a keen eye, with a gizmo for me, to get the results required for a nice bow. But a "key factor" is the layout of the limb material, prior to glue up and tillering. My bows are already pre tapered thickness and width wise before glue up. That gives me a good head start when it comes time for the tree process. Just relax, John. Don't over think this bow stuff Mr. Engineer.. :) Go slow, remove wood in areas needed with a goal in mind. Keep looking at the surface of the belly of the bow from the side. Walk back 6 or 8 feet, bend down to an even plane with the limbs and look at the entire belly surface. You want a nice gentle even gradual thickness taper from the fades to the tips. Look for low spots and mark them with NO. Look for high spots and run lines across them, meaning, remove some wood there, slowly... It's fun, and you need a game plan when tillering. Hell it's all fun, wood or glass bows. Selfbows or tri lams, bbo's, etc.. Or whatever type of bow a guy wants to make.. Just enjoy the journey....
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AMEN!
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Well my bow is finally done being tillered.
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New guys bow was finished up being tillered last night. His first bow broke..
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And the other new guy finished his second bow last night, still needs a grip put on it though. Jerry made two awesome bows for his first two bow builds.
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Very nice Roy!
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Roy, Your approach to tillering is very similar to how I go about tillering a selfbow. Some staves are much more challenging, due to humps, bumps, and knots, but as a general rule the thickness taper and width taper are where a bow is made or broken. Some day I might decide to build me one of those laminated bows.
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Yes Dan, I understand about the challenges of those selfbows. And I just shake my head when I see someone post a picture of a snaky, humpy and bumpy selfbow that has an awesome tiller. Like Pat Brennan and John Scifres, and a ton of others who make them. And Goose Gosset who has posted here in the past, OMG some of the staves he made bows out of was insane.. :) But for some reason, selfbows do not trip my trigger, glass bows don't either. But my god those glass bow guys make fantastic looking bows. I just love making plywood bows... Must be something in the glue that gets me high.. :wavey: :laughing:
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Great looking bow, Roy :thumbsup:
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Looking better...
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Its ok i guess