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I have the chance to purchase an A&H ACS-CX from a friend. The bow is 62" and draws 59lbs @ 28". Here is my question: I normally shoot heavy recurves and longbows in the 75-90 lb range. I shoot heavy arrows 700 plus grains and hunt elk in at least 3 states per year. Can I expect to get sufficient arrow speeds and pentration from such a light bow? I know that to most 59lbs is not a light bow, but to a guy who routinely shoots bows between 75-90 trust me 59 lbs is light. I shot the bow last week and I will say that with a 600 grain arrow the 59 lb ACS shot as fast as a 70 lb longbow that we chronographed it against. I'm intersted in hearing from other ACS owners as to your opinions regarding the ACS for elk.
Thanks, peter
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I dont see why you would have any issue with that bow for any game on the north american continent, If you liked shooting it and it shoots as fast as the 70lb bow why not take advantage of the more efficient design and save some where and tear on the old bod? My ACS -CX out performs any bow I have ever had.
good luck with your decision
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I just received mine last month. 45# @ 28"
Wouldn't hesitate to use it on any North American animal.
Ditto what LITTLEBIGMAN said....especially the "wear and tear" part.
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Pete, first, honored to be able to give you any input whatsoever. Your credentials (and Curt's high praise) preceed you.
I owned one that was 58#@27...at the time, about as heavy as they would go. It is a superb bow, imho, one of the top two bows I've ever shot. I certainly think it's efficiency would be capable of taking and elk at the draw weight you are looking at. I've never killed an elk with a bow, but I think hogs are pretty tough critters and have taken a few of those. With a 650+ arrow and the right head, I would have taken that bow against any hog in the woods. As you saw from your own tests, the ACS/CX's poundage belies it's efficiency.
While I don't shoot as heavy as you, I do prefer the heavier weights. If A&H would intentionally make limbs well into the 60's that I prefer to shoot, I'm not sure I would have sold it.
Imagine what such a bow would do in the 70# range :eek:
Good luck; in short, I don't think you will go wrong with an ACS/CX...it just may take some getting used to at a weight 15+ pounds less than what you are used to shooting.
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JC,
Thank you for the kind words and solid input. I really liked the bow when I shot it. I was amazed at how quiet and smooth it was not to mention how fast it was for such a light weight. I'm told that A&H is now making limbs as heavy as 64 lbs (still very light for me) but at least heavier than 59 lbs! If a 59 lb bow performed that well I'd like to get a set of 64 lb limbs. It seems that with the ACS bow even adding 5 lbs equates to extreme performance. I'm giving serious consideration into buying the bow. If I can get a set of 64 lb limbs I'll keep her if not I can appearently sell the bow for at least what I'm paying for her. I appreciate all the above input! Thanks guys!
Peter
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Peter,
I would read Ashby's comments on the A&H websight. He felt the bow he shot(60 pounds)was as fast as his favorite longbow with the same arrow(if memory serves me, his longbow was 90 pounds). I have one with 45 and 54 pound limbs. After shooting it for a while, I believe I could take an elk with the 45 pound limbs given the right shot. Those limbs will throw a 640gr arrow around 165-166fps. I am in line to get a set of the new shorter limbs at 50 pounds. Those will probably be my " go to" limbs for elk hunting. I can't immagine what 59 pound limbs would do with a 700 gr arrow. I wouldn't hesitate to take anything in North America with that setup. Good luck and hunt safe.
Jon
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Pete, I have read your TBM articles and enjoyed them very much. Glad to see you on here.
As for the ACS CX, I have had 3. I now just have the one and it is a 64" 52# @ 28". I draw almost 31" and have scaled this bow at 60#. It shoots a 590 grain arrow around 193-194 fps. Although I haven't taken an elk yet (not for lack of trying) I believe it will be sufficient when the time comes. These bows are extremely effecient and it seems the more arrow weight you put to it the more it likes it. I would agree with JC that the only adjustment you might have to make is for lighter draw weight. Exactly the reason I kept this one, the other two were lighter. Good luck.
Cade
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Cade, Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you enjoy my writing.
Jon, you're absolutely right, Dr. Ashby speaks very highly of the ACS and I respect his opinion very much.
It sounds as if all ACS owners really love thier bows. I have to admit I really enjoyed shooting this bow and I'm giving strong consideration into buying it. I'm sure the whole weight issue is really more in my mind than I care to admit. After shooting heavy bows for so long I've sort of become predjudiced against light bows.
If I could get a 59 lb ACS to throw a 600 gr. arrow at speeds of 190 fps I would be very happy.
I chronoed my 75 lb recurve and with a 630 grain arrow I was able to score speeds of 210 fps. Hard to imagine a longbow that is 15 lbs lighter would be only 20 fps slower but it seems that perhaps the ACS really does compare.
Thank you everyone for the input.
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Wuss :goldtooth:
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Peter; How are you ever going to explain that to Schafe some day!!?? 59#'s ?? LOL.
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Peter You will get older save it for later and also enjoy it now.Kip
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Nice Guru.LOL.
Schaf would probably understand...I hope
I don't believe any bow under 70lbs can kill and elk but seems I may be wrong...
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I have taken several bull moose (over 20 years) with bows that were 60 lbs. I have never heard anyone call a 59 lb. bow "light". Unless you hunt a super elk... something bigger than a moose... I can't see any problem with a 59 lb. bow, especially an ACS design. I also have a hard time believing anyone thinks a bow less than 70 lbs. couldn't kill an elk!!!
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As my joints are getting older I needed to drop some weight and got my first ACS about 18 months ago. I went from a high end 58# recurve with a 12 strand D97 string to a 49# ACS with the same string.
I shoot the same 600-650 grain arrows at the same speed with the ACS as with the bow that was making my body ache. And the ACS is smoother and giving me greater accuracy than before.
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Bjorn, thanks for the input. I have gotten several PM's from less than satisfied ACS owners but overall the positive remarks far outweigh the few criticizms I've gotten. However, it seems that several of the PM's I've recieved were from former ACS owners that wished the ACS bow came in draw weights of 65 lbs plus. I think I'm going to buy the bow. But I'm still hoping A&H will make me a set of 65 lb limbs. I would imagine that if the ACS bow was available in a stouter weight 65 lbs and up the demand would be even greater. But thats only my opinion.
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good deal bud....like you said,if you find out you're just not comfortable,or they won't make heavier limbs, you can always sell it. I don't think there a bow made with higher re-sale value.
59#'s is plenty for elk.....of course next yr when I come out,you'll have to deal with the fact that little ol' me is pulling more wt. than you :goldtooth: :biglaugh:
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Pete,
I bought JC's CX. I have shot the old ACS too..and the CX is hands-down a completely different weapon in my opinion.
I am used to shooting 65 to 70 lb bows. My CX is 58@28 and is an absolute rocket launcher with heavy arrows...last weekend it was burying them in Rinehart 3D targets so much farther than anyone else's in our group, they were really having to work to get them out each time.
I routinely shoot 12 grains per inch, forward weighted carbons, but have shot my 810 grain hickory arrows out of it with great results as well.
It is deadly quiet....much more important to me than speed. It also shoots a broad range of shafts well, another plus.
My assessment is I would have NO problem with using this bow on a 1000 lb bull and believing I could get a complete pass through with it.
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Pete;
I have a 61 @ 28 that I pull to 30-1/2". The bow measures 67# on our local pro-shop's scale at this draw. My observations are very similar to Ray's post above. I'm used to shooting 70-77# recurves as my go to bows, and this ACS-CX outshoots them. It's the quietest bow I own and the fastest. Using a 600 grain arrow I'm consistently 211-212 with a finger release. I haven't checked any super-heavies with it. I'm still distracted by the very small sight window (about 1-3/4"), but I'm getting used to that. It's a very nice shooting bow; maybe a little more sensitive to a bad pluck on the release, but that's not the fault of the bow. Look at the CX as if it's a beautiful woman...if anything's wrong she'll let you know about it right away, and whatever it is will be your fault!
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There is a happy ending to this problem, I personally would not use a Bow for Elk less than #65.
With that said I have a ACS CX 64" that was made last year and its #70 @29"
I pull about 29 to 29.5
This bow does it all its smooth easy to shoot and performs real well.
I would not hesitate to use it for any Game in North America.
Just an opinion.
all Larry and have one made at #70 .
Bill
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Bill, I'm not sure how you got it done, but when I ordered mine and even when it was delivered in December they would not make limbs above 60# @ draw. I wouldn't have been so quick to sell it if I knew I could get stouter limbs.
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Holy smokes Elk Chaser, that is a nice herd of bows you've got there...
ttt for Peter
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Yok...just buy the bow and quite whining...it'll do the job!
Ernesto
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Pete
I am friends with John Havard of A&H and have had the privilege of trying some of his bows including prototypes. I shoot the same arrows (718 gr 2219) out his bows at different weights 50 to 66 pounds at my long draw and the arrow flight is great. I have a 200 gr point out front which may soften the spine a bit, but his bows were very easy to get used to relative to the recurves I have been shooting. Don’t just let arrow speed be the deciding factor, shoot it a bit and see where they are hitting the target. It is much easier to go down in draw weight than work your way back up to where you are. If not, your son will eventually fit into the bow and as you already know , these bows have held their value pretty good. Getting a peak at the future, I think this company will be around for a long time.
Mike
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Thanks guys!! Great advice and input. I'm buying the bow. But I'm going to work hard at getting A&H to make me a set of limbs 65 lbs or heavier.
As I said earlier, I loved the ACS bow when I shot it. I was amazed at how smooth and quiet it was. Not to mention how light in the hand and gorgeous (kinda like that whole woman thing...)
I guess now my only real concern (fear) is that GURU may actually be shooting a "manlier" bow than me. I'll be damned if some lil' guy from "NY" is gonna pull more than me...
Pete
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"You can never have too much.....gun!"
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Mike,
Rumor has it your gonna look damn sexy in your new Sitka gear! I have to shoot a big heavy man bow...otherwise you and GURU and Denny will make too much fun of me!
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Good news. I just spoke to the guys at A&H and they will make a heavier set of limbs if a guy really, really wants them! I spoke to John and he said they can probably make me a set that would weigh in at around 66-67 lbs at 28"
So, GURU...Whos the man now...
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Now you just will need to get some rebar to make arrows from.
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I admire anyone who considers 59lbs "light"
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Originally posted by John Nail:
I admire anyone who considers 59lbs "light"
John,
I'm in full agreement with you. My old shoulders are really liking my 46-48#@28" bows! All I have to worry about my arrows penetrating are big IL deer! ;) :)
Bill
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Originally posted by peter c iacavazzi:
Good news. I just spoke to the guys at A&H and they will make a heavier set of limbs if a guy really, really wants them! I spoke to John and he said they can probably make me a set that would weigh in at around 66-67 lbs at 28"
So, GURU...Whos the man now...
It's a shame they told me "No" 3 different times during my order....guess I'm not as sweet on the phone as he is. ;)
Enjoy the bow Pete, it'll be a sledgehammer at that weight!
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JC,
When I spoke to A&H they told me that just recently they have begun beefing up the limbs for guys that really desire heavier weights. John said he has had several guys looking to go for Buffalo and even a guy thinking about going for elephant. He strongly suggested that if I was to go heavier than about 62-64 lbs I should look into the 66" model ACS-CX. He said thier main concern is not making a set of 62" limbs at 65 @28" it was if a guy with a 30-31" draw picked up the bow and gave her a pull it would place too much stress on the limbs at that length.
However with that said I get the feeling that they would rather not make a heavier limb and John was very adamant about staying at 65 lbs or below. He really suggested that the performance of the bow even at 60lbs would be enough for any North American critter. He did seem like a likeable guy and willing to work with his customers if they really insisted. I would love an ACS that pulls 75-80 lbs but I think about 66-67 lbs is the best I'm gonna get...for now.
John also told me that they are catching up on the waiting list. All I know is that if I can get a 66-67lb ACS in my hand by Sept. the elk are gonna be in big trouble...
And oh yeah...I was extra sweet on the phone. I even mentioned Mike "herd bull" Mittens name of course all John did was laugh and say huh' that knucklehead!
Guys, by the way 59lbs is only light to me cuz for 25 years I've been pulling 75-90. Of course after sitting in a tree all day in a cold Nov. 59lbs would feel just about right!! Besides if I didn't pull such big bows, I wouldn't be Gurus hero...
I'll keep ya posted on how the bow performs. I'm really looking forward to seeing what she'll do.
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I ordered mine 37#@28. If I draw it to 31" will it grow?
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Pete,
If the bow comes out close to 65@28 and you are drawing 30 ½ like you say, it should feel real good to you. By the way, John has a solid 30 ½ inch draw as well. The long power stroke will help with your heavy arrow speed issue relative to your >75# bows. It is good that you stay flexible and continue your weight training and stretching. But if you ever do start to slow down like us humans, you will appreciate this bow more. Ha! :>) Mike
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Mike,
I only draw 28" but somedays I feel like I can draw 30.5 of course at 5"9" I'd have to have long monkey arms to pull 30 plus inches. But than again on those cold, wet, snowy days drawing a 75 lb bow back 28" sure don't seem easy...
I have to stay strong so one day I can carry out 2 monster bucks on my back like some macho guy I happen to know...
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Good for you bud....that thing is going to be awesome at that weight....and yes, you are, and always will be "the man" and my hero(biggie's too)...... :notworthy:
Geez I might have to get a new bow just to keep up with you next year :pray:
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Hmmm...Maybe I can compete in the longbow division at the "Muzzy" shoot. If I win, we can go head to head for all the marbles...
Everytime I look at your avatar picture, I am reminded of what a STUD you are!!!
Pete
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Pete, I don't know if anyone has mention this as I have not read thru all the posts, so here goes. It is now known that ya can shoot arrows withh a high FOC and get as good of penetration as other arrows without the high FOC but of the same weight. In other words you could shoot a 600 grain arrow out of that ACS with high FOC and it penetrate as well or better than a 700 grain arrow without it. At roughly 10gpp. with high FOC out of tha ACS, it will blow through any thing in North America> Shawn
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stud, :biglaugh: and lil' mikey's idol!
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Shawn,
Very interesting advice. Thank you for that. I'm going to certainly play around with heavy FOC. I have been following all of Dr. Ashbys research and I'm definitely going to beef up my FOC. I was going to start with a 30" Beman 340 shaft with a 100 gr brass adapter and 150 gr heads.
When Guru was here in 06' he had over 250 gr on the tip of his arrow and they fly like darts. He even managed to kill a few critters with em...
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Peter,
You will probably need the 300 spine carbons to beef the FOC up much with that ACS. They are cut PAST center a great deal and need a STIFF arrow. That or you could build your side plate out to tune the bow to the arrow as well. You ought to be able to kill a T-Rex with that bow. I hope Mike Mitten is there to help you pack it out if you do shoot one. I know Denny hunted them once. I saw a picture of it, so it must be true. LOL!!!
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Yeah buddy, now you're talkin'!! Second weekend in Aug., don't forget(well I won't let you forget!)
Pete, My set up was an Easton carbon with reg. insert(12-15grs.), and either 100gr. steel adapters with 160 Snuffers or 125 steel adapters with 125 Wensel Woodsman and two little brass washers so they all weighed the same with about 280 grs. up front.
Been shooting high FOC Carbons going on 3 seasons now and I just love the way perform on game!
Give Tanner a hug and kiss for me bud ;)
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Huh? What's the problem?
They are making me an 80#er.
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Pete, I certainly don't have your experience, but have you considered whether or not you will be able to get off the string cleanly on a bow that much lighter than what you are used to shooting? My buddy is practicing with a very light bow right now, and says it takes all his focus to get a clean release and proper follow through. Just food for thought. . . .
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OK....I was joking :D Just tyring to get in on all the fun. :smileystooges:
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Carbon Caster,
Thank you for that advice and I will certainly remember it when the bow arrives. As far as building out the plate? I shoot off of a rest. In 25 years of trad bow shooting/hunting I have never shot off the shelf. I prefer to shoot vanes and I personally feel the arrow gets better flight from a rest. I use a lil' flipper style rest placed as close to the shelf as possible. But I like the idea of a 300 shaft. Thanks!
Diamond Paul,
Yes, I have thought about relaese but when I shot my buddys lighter ACS (59lbs @ 28") I shot it fine. I'm actually working on a new shooting style thanks to my recent correpondance with Jay Kidwell so this year is kinda a whole new "revamping" year for me. After 25 years of shooting well, I'm trying to now go to the next level and shoot really well. Kinda like GURU!!
Terry,
When you're done with your 80lb'er can I please borrow her?? I promise I'll give her all the love, respect and tenderness "she" deserves...Hmmm...Theres that woman thing again...
Guru,
Now I remember how much FOC you had. In fact after watching you "Pole Ax" that antelope how could I ever forget!!! But you're right I'm gonna add even more up front. Hopefully then I can knock critters of thier feet just like you and Denny and the Sweet Biggie...
Thanks guys for all the input. The bow is gonna be fun and I'm eager to get her on track (and me too).
I think the elk ae gonna be in big trouble!!!
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Originally posted by peter c iacavazzi:
I have the chance to purchase an A&H ACS-CX from a friend. The bow is 62" and draws 59lbs @ 28". Here is my question: I normally shoot heavy recurves and longbows in the 75-90 lb range. I shoot heavy arrows 700 plus grains and hunt elk in at least 3 states per year. Can I expect to get sufficient arrow speeds and pentration from such a light bow? I know that to most 59lbs is not a light bow, but to a guy who routinely shoots bows between 75-90 trust me 59 lbs is light. I shot the bow last week and I will say that with a 600 grain arrow the 59 lb ACS shot as fast as a 70 lb longbow that we chronographed it against. I'm intersted in hearing from other ACS owners as to your opinions regarding the ACS for elk.
Thanks, peter
peter
I hunt too with heavy bows between 80-90#...I have an A&H ACS, 64#@28...I chronoed she 3 days ago with a 900gr GT big game 100+ arrow and get a 154fps speed.
I have not a very terrific dynamic release (a snap shooter could easily add 10-12 fps of more) but it is very regular (got an average 1fps of difference on the 5 shots)...the same day, during the same test, I have shot 3 others french longbows (I know that's very not scientific but it's a good base for a comparison).
There's what I got whith them, with the same 900gr arrow ....all the bows are FF, both tips protector and string silencers equiped, only the 90#@28 LB wears brush buttons, not the others.
- waka, 100#@28: 175fps
- waka, 90#@28: 166fps
- waka, 80#@28: 155fps
- A&H ACS, 64#@28: 154fps
In a few weeks I should recieve my new 70#@28 ACS. According to what I know, that should be one among the first ones produced in this draw weight and it has been very difficult for me to obtain it,of course it will be 66" long...at the beginning I whished a 80#@28 one, but it seems that the bowyers are very reluctant to go away 70#@28... I will tell you a little bit more later...
the ACS is really an excellent performer bow, but at the beginning I have been a little bit in trouble cause of the very short window sight but it has not lasted a long time...for me I have another problem: I have big hands and have the bow hand very often hurted by one of the feathers (always the same at the same place on my hand) of my arrow, so I shoot with gloves when I think to take them..
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Foudarme,
Thank you for the input. I appreciate hearing from you and Thank you for taking the time to address many of my questions. I am very impressed by the arrow speeds you were able to achieve with such a heavy arrow.
I am told by A&H that they will in fact make me a set of limbs that should pull about 66lbs at my 28" draw. While a far cry from the weights I normally pull, 66 is still better than 59 (for me). While I won't be shooting a 900 gr + arrow I will be shooting at least 700 grains. Based upon what I've been learning and from all the tremendous feedback I've gotten, the 66lb ACS-CX will certainly push that 700 grain arrow with enough speed, momentum and KE to accomplish the results I'm looking for.
Please keep me posted on how your 70 lb ACS performs and of your success.
Best, Peter
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Peter,
You could still build out your center shot with a rest by putting an extra layer of double sided adhesive behind it when installing. The very nature of a stick on rest is going to give you a little less center shot anyway if it has a build in side plate for the arrow side to rest against as it sits on the flipper. Good luck with that rocket launcher.
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Carbon Caster,
Thanks for the advice. The rest I use is the t-300 from 3-Rivers. It has worked well for me on my recurves and other longbows. When the ACS bow arrives I plan on spending alot of time with a Montana bowyer friend of mine (Ernie Mckenzie)we are going to really spend the time to dial the bow and arrows and rest and all else in. I will certainly take your advice into consideration.
Much appreciated! Pete
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How about ya fly me out there to be your personal "dialer in'r"....say around spring bear season...weather should be perfect for tuning 'bout that time :thumbsup: :goldtooth:
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Bear season opens April 15th. But doesn't get good until mid May. You know you're always welcome to come out! I was thinking about checking into Idaho bear as well. In ID we can bait. Let me nw what you think.
You aint afraid of Grizzlies are ya??
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As long as you're with me, I ain't scared of nothin' :mad:
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OK. I'll look into Idaho tags and MT tags. Which would you prefer? My friend Ernie McKenzie from Billings is also interested in doing an ID bear hunt. Ernie is a bear hunting machine and almost as good a shot as you!!
Plus we can both out run him...which is important in Grizzly country...
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Peter- Do you have any 300's to mess around with?If not, I think I have a few that I cut too short (they're still 29-30"), that I could bring to the MBA convention for you. I'm also going to be in Bozeman from the 16th to the 22nd, if you are not going to be at the MBA convention.
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Originally posted by peter c iacavazzi:
Please keep me posted on how your 70 lb ACS performs and of your success.
Best, Peter
I will do it..I have been back to the chrono this morning and make comparisons between static releasing and snap shooting...with the same 900gr arrow throw by my 64"@28 ACS (limbs' socks, tips plastic protectors, string silencers) I get 154-155 fps with static releasing and 165-168 fps in snap shooting...
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Tyler,
Thanks for the offer on the 300 shafts. Yes, please bring a few to the MBA and I'll look forward to seeing you there. Appreciate it!
Foudarme,
Either way those are impressive speeds for such a heavy arrow!
Thanks guys! Pete
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recieved some news from LH few days ago...the final poundage of my next ACS is 73#@28...I am very excited, I can hope a consistant 75# at 29 draw length..
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she has arrived 2 days ago...66" long and 73#@28..shot to my draw length at 75#-76#@29, I got a 178fps speed with my favorite 900gr GTBG 100+ and my poor static release....nothing scientific, just the bow with the factory string silencers, a 7 1/4 brace height and an heavy arrow with 5" feathers and hellical flechting...the alu riser allows an amazing gain of steadyness on a long bow which is naturaly particulerly steady...and the limbs cast my arrow as I never saw it before with a so lightful long bow...really this ACS bow is one of the best...
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Very impressive numbers foudarme. Pulling 75# has got to be better than 100# to achieve the same arrow speed; and you get the smooth operation of the ACS as a bonus!
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Now you can go hunting for dump-trucks!
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WOW!!! That is extremely fast for such a heavy arrow. Beware....well pretty much any large game in the world should beware of such a bow! LOL
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I spoke to Larry and will be getting another ACS CX in a 66" model.
Larry said highest right now is 72# at 28" I draw about 29 so it will pull approx 74# as a guess.
this is the highest poundage they make to date.
I have had a 64" ACS CX that is 67@28 and its pulling right at 70# for my 29" draw.
I have had to change arrows as I only hunt Elk " try to hunt Elk". I had to try 3 different ones and the reason is that the bow is so fast.
At 70# I ended up with full length Carbon Tech Safari's these are marked 70 to 90# 15.5 gr per inch
they have a 175 gr point on them and they still might be a bit on the stiff side but I wanted to hunt with a 700 gr arrow min. this year. these are about 725 and they still move right out .
I will chrono them this week and let you know but I estimate easily in the 170 fps range.
the 66" is 5 pounds heavier and these arrows may be perfect for it and just slightly off for the 70#
I am lloking at increasing the tip weight to weaken the spinr a liitle and using 210 gr broadheads.
In Short BUY THE BOW it will get an Elk
I just like a little more UMPH
Bill
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Interesting I've got one that should be ready in a couple months, 62"65@28, can't wait.
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I wonder what they are doing differently now to make those weights....they were adament when I ordered mine that they would not do any that high. Oh well....sigh...too little too late.
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JC, they were just waiting until you bought your bow before offering them in heavier draw weights. Look up. See the small black cloud? :biglaugh:
Ed
TGMM family of the Bow
p.s. I gave Keith a sample of the 'turbulator' for you. Give it a try.
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Originally posted by Elk Chaser:
Larry said highest right now is 72# at 28"
73#@28 in fact and I am pulling it not far from 29"...got a 199fps at 9.2 gpi...and 178 fps
with my 900gr arrow...GTBG 100+ shaft; 1516 easton shaft inside; 100gr brass and 250gr point...after bareshatf tuning I had to replace the 8gpi weight tube by a 1516 alu shaft, they were too weak...19% FOC.
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Chataigner,
There are some GrizzlyStik Safari shafts available in .100 deflection. They are heavy, and work well off very high weight compounds with high point weight, and they would give you a bit more FOC. Might be worth checking them out. I don't think they show up on the web site, so you'll need to give Ed Schlief a call or email.
Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow
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thanks Doc I really appreciate all what you do for us and I am preparing a water buffalo safari according to your teaching that are amazing but I got some very bad experiments with the safaris shafts and never will use it again...but you are true, with a 29" safari shaft,a 250gr point, a 70gr brass insert, one obtains a 850gr arrow and a 19.8 FOC...
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Boy do the new limbs sure look different than the original ACS I had about 4 years or so ago. Not as flimsy in the tips either.
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foudarme,...is yours for sale?
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Originally posted by Terry Green:
foudarme,...is yours for sale?
if you are talking about the 64@28 sorry but she is not for sale...there are many archers in my country who would like to get it but i prefer to keep she as a backup one...the 73#@28 has arrived last week of course she is not for sale too...
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Elk
I saw that you are waiting for your 70# hexV limbs...I recieved mine, 84#@28...
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Doc, yep that's exactly the way I feel about it...it wouldn't bother me so much if I hadn't literally begged multiple times and was flatly told "NO" in no uncertain terms. I'm happier with what I ended up with anyway.
Thanks for the sample, I'll certainly give it a "shot" :D
Jean, have you tried the carbon tech safari shafts? .1 deflection and 15gpi...tough suckers too (I'm not a fan of the griz styks either).
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Originally posted by JC:
Jean, have you tried the carbon tech safari shafts? .1 deflection and 15gpi...tough suckers too (I'm not a fan of the griz styks either).
not yet, that could be a good idea..I don't know if they are avalaible in my country, but in fact... there are many things which are not avalaible in my country :biglaugh: ...but they look like very expensive !!!!
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Well, I gotta put my two cents in here I guess. I have a set of 66# limbs and a set of 54's too. I had a heck of a time getting a shaft to bare shaft tune. I ended up with the gold tip big game 100+ shafts. Carbon Express 350's were too light !
The 54#ers are great with cx250's. I can say that from the many different bows I have shot, the ACS is all it's cracked up to be. I myself would not be afraid to Elk hunt with your 59's....
Good luck chasin' Elk !