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Very cool. Sure I'd shoot it if it gave me the chance. Piebald? I think that's what they're called.
I'd love to see one. I was wanted to say spalted but I think piebald is correct. I saw one once that was almost albino. He wasn't white but a whole lot lighter than any others he was with. It was neat lookin.
They have been called Piebald's everywhere I have hunted. I have only seen one and they sure are pretty deer.
they're getting pretty common in some parts of WV. I know several people that have shot them.
Yep they call them piebald. On horses, piebald is supposed to be black and white, and skewbald is to denote brown and white. I think that bit of knowledge has fallen behind us, and we just say pied or piebald. If you look at the first pic, notice how big the tail is in proportion to the deer. Small deer? Heavily inbred, and I would take her out in a heartbeat.
In some places, albino deer are protected. I believe that to be a disservice to the deer, as we are then manipulating the genetics by selective harvest. This increases the passing on of recessive, arbitrary genes, and not those necessarily conducive to the survival and strengthening of the species.
If your medicine says not to take it, then don't. If your medicine is OK with it, then do so. I don't think the Wolf would practice any racism in that venue.
Killdeer
I've seen piebald on and off for ten years not far from my house.
The spookest deer I saw was an albino on a foggy night in my headlights IT LOOKED LIKE A GHOST!
As said they are called piebald ive seen a few in west virginia where i hunt also
I have seen a few, mostly in Stueben County NY were I used to bow hunt and my father shot a 3 pt in Vermont with a rifle a few years back. I would shoot one in a heartbeat they are a genetic mess if you see one up close they have short legs,ears, and muzzle.
Those are called piebalds and are legal in Texas. I would shoot one in a heartbeat.
Well said Killdeer. I would shoot if legal.
My grandfather described seeing one once.
B
its not a true albino. i bet ts legal in every state. id kill it
Never seen one in the wild before.. Cool pics.
I've seen them, and past up a shot at the first one I saw while hunting, A small spike. Swore I'd shoot the next one I had an opportunity to kill,and I did just that. He was a little "pygmy deer" with short legs,small ears, and little scrawny spikes. But the heart of a big buck, he came into my rattling horns bristled up and looking for a fight....I have his skin tanned in "my room" downstairs.He doesn't have as much white as the deer pictured, but I've seen them with even more white....
Don't see any reason not to shoot one if it's legal.
Saw one 2 years ago in Indian Lake.Beautiful.It was a day after antlerless MZ season ended so she walked safely away into my memory.
Yep, I would shoot... They taste just like venison :readit: :D
Yep, I'd shoot one if the oppertunity presented itself. I've talked to several people at work who have seen piebalds and albinos near here. I actually know the area they described seeing them in very well and have even hunted it from time to time. But I have yet to see one myself.
John at Sipsey River killed one like that years ago. I believe there is a photo of the mount on his website. Piebalds are unusual but legal game in Alabama. Only all white are protected.
We have them around here at times.It is legal to shoot them as well as albinos so we do. :)You can't tell a difference when cooked.
I spent the better part of two years trying to hunt a piebald doe on a piece of property that I hunted in Alabama. She was seen twice during successive bow seasons and never again after that. A guy I know has a full-body mount of a pirbald 4 point that was killed on his lease. They are neat deer, but are prone to deformities like have been mentioned before.
I have seen several over the years, never had the op. to shoot one or I would have. We had an old zoo near where I live and when it closed in the early 70's they let all their whitetails go, into the wild. They had several white deer that were turned loose as well. In the early 80's they were quite common, but nature weeds out the inferior pretty quick. We see them once in a great while now. Shawn
Neat looking deer and yes the meat would be fine and the hide tanned and on the wall.
There's some interesting reading about indian lores about piebald deer;
http://www.orangecountyweb.org/legends.html
I know a piebald is just supposed to be a genetically inferior deer and should be harvested, but me and murphy's law are pretty close friends so I think I'll have to pass on them.
I've only seen one piebald while hunting and couldn't get a shot at it. Have saw two albinos but not while hunting. A neighbor one year several years ago shot a albino. I told him I'd always heard it was bad luck so is it true?
He paused for awhile and said " Well thats the year my wife divorced me, I totaled my truck and lost my job, long pause, Nope just like any other year for me!"
I shot one back in 1987 in NJ it was a spike buck. Like an idiot I didn't keep the hide, didn't have the money back then to have it tanned properly, so I just kept the hoof sections which were pure white and made them up myself for a gun rack. Haven't seen another since that morning.
I saw a 5pt that had a white crown around the top of his head and was white from the shoulders down in Walkerville Michigan years ago. 4 Years ago I saw 2 piebald does near Zanesville , Oh. Would take one if given the chance.
I have always called them "Piebald". It seems like everytime I've seen one there is an issue with too many deer in the area. I had a chance at one this fall and took another standing beside it because it offered a better shot. I did not notice any deformities, in fact it was the biggest doe of the bunch. I agree with trying to take these deer out when you can.
I believe Iowa is the same as other states mentioned above... piebald are legal game, albinos are protected.
I had one behind the house. I passed up many shots at her, not sure why. She had twin fawns that were all brown. I took many pictures over the two years she was around. Found her during gun season with an arrow stuck in her spine about two inches in front of her tail. Looks like someone took a long going away shot. A couple years later I saw a piebald buck behind the house before the season but never when he was legal.
There's one I see quite often by the Harriman toll booth on the thruway(orange county)...if you ever go by in the evening look for it.....
I shot a piebald buck several years ago in the
hill country of Tex. He was a small eight pt.
and had a beautiful hide.....I keep his hide in
my freezer for several years thinking I would
get it tanned, however eventually trashed it. I
should have keep it!!!allen
Sticshooter, come on down Virginia way and I'll show you one. She lives on a neighbors property and I see her about once a week if I'm driving that way. She is about 65% white. I know that she is at least 2.5 years old and I'm thinking of trying to get her this fall.
Right on Killdeer.
I'd probably let it pass for others to enjoy. Maybe if it was around 3-4 years then I'd consider dropping the string. Such beautiful animals.
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I killed a small piebald buck a couple of years ago.
If I had it to do over again, I would not have shot it.
Never seen one in the wild. In Oklahoma I am pretty sure they are protected. At least albinos are. Not sure if I would shoot it or not (if legal obviously).
they were frequently spotted in the area near the Monroe Chester sportsmens club in New York but I did not realize that the Sugar Loaf area had quite a few of the Piebalds. That link to the sugar Loaf Web site brought back many memories of the area.
I've seen three in the last 11 years. I took 2 and my neighbor took the other 1. ODNR told me they get that way from inbreeding and should be taken out to keep from downsizing the deer.
This is called adaptation. Been happening for millions of years. Just want to take one home for a pet don't ya?
If legal you would not catch me passing on a piebald deer :D Extremely rare and would make a fantastically beautiful mount. They taste just as good as a "regular" deer too!
Kevin.
I passed on a button buck this fall that had a horse shoe ring on his back,, I nick named him lucky,,
Never a whitetail, but I've seen a few blacktail like that on the Washington coast when I was hiking with some Boy Scouts. (They were either piebald, or the rain had washed out their pigment:-)
Ron
A few years ago,I had a piebald doe that hung around near the house and fed with the deer that show up to eat daily. It ended up getting wounded during rifle season and vanished a month after that. I'm quite sure the white coloration made it more visible and perhaps led someone to take a bad shot at it.
I have seen more albino deer than piebalds though.
If I get at shot at one; I will take it. I think being a piebald deer falls under the 'bummer of a birthmark' category.
Saw a piebald doe way up in Washington county in Maine many years ago. One year, while hunting in Southern Maine I saw a doe with two pure albino fawns. They were very small for that time of year and I never found out what happened to them. But I would see her from time to time with the fawns. Although I never had a shot at the doe I would not have taken her because the fawns were so tiny. I seem to remember that in Maine it was illegal to shoot white or piebald deer.
I saw a pair of twins a few years back that were piebald. One was almost blonde and white, and the other was a dark chocolate brown and white.
Yes it's dead if I got the chance.
Giving the chance at it i would let it walk. I'm not into scientific genetic reasons, but follow another reason why. Like the white buffalo or a white Bear. I believe any animal that is marked this way is for a reason not of this world. To just kill or take something because it looks cool, different and to trophy it otherwise without respect is ok for some. Thats their decision, but me i would let it walk and admire it.
I've seen plenty. They tend to be regional phenomena with some areas having a high percentage and others low or none. I saw a piebald buck last year within a mile of my house. VA has no hangups about shooting such deer and neither do I.
had two of them behind the house white and tan and the other was silver and black with a dark face took pics and sent to a deer biologist and he was amazed.what was cool was seeing the tan and white one at dusk she glowed the other does always ran her off.hunted her for two years and some one up the road shot her the silver one havent seen either
Yeper, if it's legal and taste good I am all over it ;)
I shot one about 10 years ago in Ohio. It was all white with 3 brown spots on her hind quarter. My buddy did a full mount of her. I'll try to dig up the pics.
Mike
My ex brother in law still calls my Dad up every year and asks him to go hunting on Dads land and of course my Dad lets him go because he hates to say no . My ex brother in law is slack and has to hunt one of our stands because he calls right before opening day so this year he got in my Dads main deer stand on opening day while Dad and I were at work and killed a nice piebald 8 point . My Dads about 70 and I sure wish he would have got that piebald . Its the first one Ive seen with that nice of a rack and Ive only saw two in my life .
Mike
I had three within a mile from my house.In the last thirty years I seen about twelve in different countys on the hoof and about ten in butcher shops and about another ten in peoples homes hanging on the wall.In the early eightys on a farm my parents rented we had a pure white doe we watched on several occasions out on the edge of our woods and that same doe had a piebald one year...I never got pics of her but the memories live in my mind forever...I even had a gamewarden friend that went with me to a bible study and on the way home to my house I had one laying in a farmers yard and another step in front of my truck .They were together that night...We both just sat there in and appreciated the moment to watch them...I didn't even turn my high beams on cause I remembered I had a gamewarden sittin right next to me... :eek:
Yeah I'd have to slip a arrow in the ribs also. that is if'n it was legal.<><
I really like what Mr. Vic said :thumbsup: :notworthy: :)
I shot one this past fall in North Caroliana. Had the hide tanded and it is so beautiful that my wife and mom could not believe it! I'll post the picture of the hide if I get a chance.
I took one in 1995. My friend has the skin hanging in his house. People notice that before they notice his big buck mounts.
I saw one about 6 yrs ago a nice buck just on the city limit watched him till dark a shotgun guy got him two weeks later he was in the paper. i hate shotguns!!
There is an area in North Eastern North Carolina that has deer with same coloration that are not small like most Piebalds. I have seen several nice 8 and 10 pointers that were colored in this fashion. I did kill a piebald when I lived in NC.
You start to see more of 'em in areas with a high deer density. There's one chunk of state forest near me where they're relatively common.
I spent two years chasing around one little guy who's front half was brown and back half was entirely white. Had some real close encounters, but no good shot opportunities. He was always hanging around his mom and her fawns (all of 'em had at least a little white)... way too many eyes to draw on the ground.
We have a piebald buck on our place. He was a spike two years ago and a nice 8-point this year. I imagine he could hit 125 inches by next year. He was seen in the last weekend in December so he survived the season, hopefully he can dodge the cars & coyotes between now and next season.
Dave
Shot one a few years ago in Central Florida. Not as distinct but the neck was mottled from the shoulders up. Tim Lewis' book "Bows, Swamps and Whitetails" , available from Three Rivers, has a pic of it on the cover,taken a couple years before I shot it.
There are a number of them in this general area. I first saw them in the Hopewell Valley of western NJ, and over the last years a sequence of them in eastern PA. The PA ones live more or less in the open space area behind my house and seem to have come about as a sequential increase in abnormal white markings as each of 3 generations passed. The last fawns that are very similar to the pictured deer are now about 2 1/2 years old.