I would like some reports on the German Kinetic Broadheads........I just ordered 2 packs of 150's ............cant wait!!!!mark :thumbsup: :campfire: :coffee: :goldtooth: ...any tunning issues..
They look like very fine heads but you may have to retune your wallet. When wallets get real skinny they can have problems with centershot.
Look up some threads with videos posted by Buff. He hunts with them and it really puts the hurt on animals. I can't help thinking about the pig he shot and the hole it left...like straight out of a horror movie! If I could afford them I'd use them, but not on this college students budget! Grodes
I agree they look like they do an awesome job for a quick kill... of both the animal and your wallet. Maybe after I win this weeks Mega Millions!
Post some pics of what you kill with them!
No winner. $270,000,000 on Fri.
They are too high to buy unless you resharpen them.... I'm still using the same head I started the season with. Even as poor as I am I can swing $25.00 a year
one word of warning... I dull the back side of the blade. The first time I drew one I cut the devil out of my finger . I noramaly draw back until the broadhead touches the top finger of my bow hand. it bled for an hour :knothead:
ok, any special sharpening method????for these...
QuoteOriginally posted by mmgrode:
Look up some threads with videos posted by Buff. He hunts with them and it really puts the hurt on animals. I can't help thinking about the pig he shot and the hole it left...like straight out of a horror movie! If I could afford them I'd use them, but not on this college students budget! Grodes
They look like awesome heads but with Buff's shot placement those hogs would have been just as dead with any other head.
Exactly LV2HUNT, Sometimes we are easily parted with our cash for reasons no one can figure. They sure look like great heads and if they were priced about 75% less, they may be a good value.
My Bear heads will last from year to year as well and my Ribteks will also. I lose broadheads before I damage them.
If Marco is happy with them, that's all that matters 8^).
I have one-yep one. It is a knife quality device. If I hunted in the softer earth regions back east, I'd use it-out this way any miss on game will get you a rock encounter-no BH stands up to repeated rocks, and i do miss that often LOL
They are costly for sure but if ya take a good look at how their made and what your getting then try to figure out what it takes to make them then their really not that pricey.
All this yackin bout Ashby and single bevel heads got me wondering bout making some heck why not if folks will pay??
I'm sure most shops across the country would be happy to make ya what ever ya want providing ya had the cash.
Sorry for gettin side tracked LOL it's not likely that you would have any problems with tuning those heads or any of the other fine heads out there.They are well built strong heads and like all good stuff you'll pay for it
QuoteAll this yackin bout Ashby and single bevel heads got me wondering bout making some heck why not if folks will pay??
Why are these heads single beveled also?
I haven't held one in my hand but I am almost positive it is double beveled head. :confused: :confused:
Thanks dino I've seen buffs videos excellant but never noticed if they were single or double myself.
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I have one-yep one. It is a knife quality device. If I hunted in the softer earth regions back east, I'd use it-out this way any miss on game will get you a rock encounter-no BH stands up to repeated rocks, and i do miss that often LOL
Skip, Do you mean that even though it is only drawn 12 inches you still hurt the broadhead tapping it gently against the rocks? :p
Arrows are ammunition. Reusable ammo but not always recoverable....and man, there are a lot of rocks in the Rockies!(And the rest of the West)
Double bevel.
Shooting from below on a hill, I put one (125 gr)thru a 400 lb cow elk scapula, ricochet off the bottom of the spine, off the edge of the opposite scapula and lodged just under the skin off side. Arrow broke in 3 pieces richoceting and when she jumped on impact or I believe it would have passed thru. 80 yds and down. 51# bow with 450 gr arrows.
One edge still popped hair - a few strokes on a ready edge and the other did as well.
Worth it to me.
Steve
hey, I get at least 18 inches of draw, and we hav e the toughest and most plentiful supply of rocks of any place in this country!
They are truly knife quality, crisp shiny and sharp as they come-out of the box. I just need cheaper broadheads.
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hey, I get at least 18 inches of draw, and we hav e the toughest and most plentiful supply of rocks of any place in this country!
:biglaugh: Now that's funny right there! :biglaugh:
I was going to write and tell you all to stop being a bunch of tite wads!!!!! Until I just looked how much they were. WOW I'm not that cheap but lets face it, those are way over priced (shiping doesn't help). Any sharp piece of steel thru a rib cage is a dead animal.
Yeah, it's too bad they only come in double bevel. Now if they came out with a single bevel version, I might be interested. LOL!
Seems like nowadays the Trad Police will arrest ya if ya aren't shooting single bevel heads:)
Seriously, I bet these are some wicked heads. Have not heard one bad thing about their quality or the results they produce.
Brett
How ever much they cost hey its a hobbie you don't need to find the best value but then again could be they are a best value I don't know what goes into making one of these heads they look like there is alot more to them then punching out a piece of sheet metal.
They are double bevel like was already said I was just thinking custom BH's made from tool steel which the SF's are by the way.In any event there are a bunch of tool shops that will make what ever design you'd like providing your willing to pay for it.
I'm not talkin bout stamped out,spot welded and/or copper brazed BH's they are real cost effective for what most of us shoot myself included.I'm talking about a machined high quality tool steel head that has been properly heat treated.It won't be cheap ever look at custom knive's ??
Sure ya don't need that up front but for folks that just dumped 10 grand easy to hunt Africa is it really all that much money for the buisness end of your arrows??
Some folks should make things themselves then add up their hourly rate you may be surprised
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Some folks should make things themselves then add up their hourly rate you may be surprised
Swampy, I think most of these guys never saw your homemade head thread....I think I guessed the price of labor alone on the heads you made at somewhere around $200ea to be conservative? Not to mention tool and material costs. Marcus ain't getting rich off silver flames guys...and some of the margin is attributed to the weak dollar value.
The silver flames are without a doubt the finest built broadhead you will put in your hands. As well built if not more so than the majority of custom knives on the market...with a lot more machining. They are an exceptional piece of workmanship, ridiculously sharp, and seemingly bombproof. While I don't have a desire to shoot the standard heads because I have so many heads that will perform as well imho for less $, I have some of the new wiiiide ones on order from Herb. Mainly, cause there's nothing else like them on the market.
I don't spend frivolously because I work too hard to earn my living, I think the prices I pay for the tools I enjoy using are right in line with the value I see in them. But each fellow has his own ideas about value, and each entitled to his own measure of worth.
Spend your money on what you want...as long as the kids are fed and have clean clothes, momma is happy, bills are paid...I don't care how much your gear costs. Where I came from, you want to shoot $30/ea broadheads...all you got to do is work hard/smart enough to earn them. If you don't want to shoot those heads, spend your money on something else...but don't call the other guy a fool cause he's following his version of his dream.
LOL JC yea those heads I made would not be marketable
I was however thinkin of a 1"wide 3"lg solid steel head with offset blades and a single bevel coming in around 300 grs which could be mint on a grizzly stick.It may be possible to make a head like that and make it marketable but it wouldn,t be cheap.
Thats why I made the comment earlier about the Ashby study just lookin to maybe make a buck but in reality it'd most likely cost me more than I could get....maybe LOL
Besides I'd hafta make it then try to break it not to mention shoot some critters yada yada yada
I'm still in the stinking stage oops I mean thinkin stage of that venture....thinkin could be a bad thing HAHAHAHAHAHA
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but don't call the other guy a fool cause he's following his version of his dream. [/QB]
Great insight JC.
BTW, I also have been meaning to order some even though I'm a double beveled 4 blade freak :D , .....so I did.
Guys you get what you pay for !! and these are quality made of knife grade steel . Marcus is a one man operation and he has quality control so you are getting the best that he has .
you can kill animals with lots of stuff but if i was going on a special hunt for something that was exotic to where i live i would really like to have that extra edge just in case i make a marginal shot
and that is something sharp and strong .
Silver Flames are quality . people spend Thousands on an Exotic hunt ,Africa , elk ,caribou ect $1200 on a new bow ,expensive carbon arrows and then use a $3 broadhead .
i say this and i make my arrows from Ramin ,shoot a $100 bow and because i have some great adaptors
i can shoot Silver Flames or my glues ons are ACE 175 gr .
to me an exotic hunt is pigs in Texas or FL would i shoot Silver Flames yes because i have seen them go through a pig and that is what is is all about , lost of blood and quick kills .
i do understand about the expense as i am a poor guy also LOL .
but if you want to shoot the best then Silver Flames are what you want .
just received a package from Germany today with as far as i know the last of the 1 7/8 " heads , these are the last of their kind , i have 2 x3 packs left if i remember correctly ,cost is $103.55 per pack and you all thought the regular price was out there---- herb
Herb - email sent.
Steve
You cannot get a better broadhead anywhere. Very exacting tolerances and THE sharpest head ever made. They go through game like butter and stick in the ground. When you pull them out of the ground they are still shaving sharp! Beware the alignment of the Silver Flames as they are shaving sharp on the back also! All that money for bows, arrows, stands, blinds, clothes, fees, and time practicing and you want to skimp on the final ingredient to a quick humane kill? 90 bucks for 3 heads and you only need one a year unless you hunt rocks. Sure guys, the other heads are sharp enough and work good but Silver Flames are the best period.
They sure look cool though. Straight out of The Green Arrow. :)
I thought JC said it very well.
SilverFlame broadheads incorporate an amount of structural integrity that invariably one searches in vain with most other manufacturers. Only an ingenious construction, based on solid design, combined with the correct materials, constitutes a first-class product.
The facts speak for themselves:
FERRULE
Material: AlZnMgCu1,5 F53
Internationally better known under the ASTM designation 7075 T6
This high-strength aluminum alloy contains a tensile strength of 540 N/mm² which is approx. 1.5 times stronger than average construction steel and is used in many cases, where high-strength, but light materials are needed.
Aircraft engineers as well as the top technical designers of world class racing bicycles, appreciate the advantages derived from this material.
The ferrules are manufactured in a CNC process. They are in turn ground in a vibratory in order to remove even the finest remaining burr particles. The surface finish will be done with anodizing in the color black silk matt.
As technical characteristic the ferrules show a "round butt", thus a radius to the arrow shaft. Consequently the use of conical washers (U.B.A.R.'s etc.) is eliminated, thus minimizing retraction resistance of the arrow from the practice target.
The thickest portion of the ferrule has a diameter of 8.5mm (> 21/64") and is thus somewhat thicker than most of today's more common carbon hunting shafts, with diameters amounting to somewhat less than 8mm (5/16").
The transition between the main body and the shank, which get screwed together with the thread into the insert, was turned not on 90°, but provided with a small radius by 0.5mm. This radius effectively provides two distinct advantages, an increased bending stability and allows for the self-centering in the insert of the arrow shaft.
A CNC-Laser cuts the blades from a tool steel board. The thickness of 1.80mm (.071") and the grinding of the cutting edges are made in a CNC wet-grinding process to preserve the hardness of the steel.
No other manufacturer offers this blade strength!!
Prior to this process the blades are bead-blasted and vibratory ground.
The blades are precisely tempered to 55-57 HRC.
In order to ensure a homogenous molecular structure of the steel, the blades are then subzero quenched in a special cooling chamber.
The final process in achieving razor sharpness is accomplished by de-burring of the edges on a wheel containing elephant leather and a special polish paste.
ALL THIS FOR ONLY $24 IS A GOOD DEAL - AND THEY LOOK REAL COOL! A NEAR MISS WILL GIVE THE PREY A HEART ATTACK!
Do you see any similarity. :saywhat:
(http://archeryarchives.com/broadheads_files/1970BH.jpg) (http://www.german-kinetics.com/150_1.jpg)
what about deadheads? these are pretty dang similar.....
Like a few others have said, JC had a very good post about these broadheads, and other aspects of bowhunting that we spend our money on. My hat is off to JC!
Goose
Dang they do look similar.
Its alot like fishing. The only thing connecting you to the fish is the line. Thats what most people skimp on. The only thing going to kill that animal is the broadhead.
Thanks Rich, Goose...just common sense, imho.
Va& Rico...I'm a big deadhead fan...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Stuff/Picture025-1.jpg)
I've killed stuff with both the big and small Deadheads, but in no way other than profile are deadheads similar. I own them and hunt with em...but I'd never hunt a really heavy boned critter (cow sized bones or better) with the Deadhead, but wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything on the planet with a Silver flame. Don't pass judgements on these heads until you hold one in your hands.
Now this is why the site rocks!!! ty , JC SWEET :thumbsup: :campfire: :goldtooth: