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Title: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: razorsharptokill on February 16, 2011, 11:05:00 AM
I used to have a sanding drum I bought at Woodcraft. They no longer carry anything like it. It had a wheel on the bottom that I used to shape my riser blocks with. I looked on grizzly's site and found nothing also. Anyone know where I can find one?
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Robertfishes on February 16, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
Robosander made by luthiersfriend? I use a 60 grit tungsten carbide sleeve with mine
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: bjansen on February 16, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
Here is the best one I have found.  It is made for use on a shaper:

http://www.toolstoday.com/p-5962-sanding-drum.aspx?variantids=10222,0
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: razorsharptokill on February 16, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Thank you Bjansen, but the one that's on tools today is a bit more than I wanted to pay.

I went with the robosander. looks just like the one I used to use.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: bjansen on February 16, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
I know it Jim..I've been searching for a year for a good, reliable pattern sander...never found one.  That one in the link looks like it is built correctly, but yes it is costly.

I emailed grizzly customer support as well and asked them to consider carring some type of pattern sander.  No equipment mfg (other than $5k plus commercial manfuacturers) makes a good pattern sander (or any for that matter).  I think Grizzly could do quite well with a simple 1.5HP spindle sander with a bearing on the bottom of the drum, or even make an attachment for their belt sanders to convert the drive drum into a pattern sander.  

I think my request fell on deaf ears.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: recurvericky on February 16, 2011, 06:44:00 PM
I would like to try Robosander for shaping my risers, but I would only order the 3x3.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: IdahoCurt on February 16, 2011, 07:08:00 PM
3x3 robo sander works great
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Dick in Seattle on February 16, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
put the order for the 3x3 robo in the mail this afternoon.    gonna be interesting.  I've never used this type of tool, always done everything freehand.

I really liked the looks of that expensive one, but you have to have the shaper to put it on!
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: eflanders on February 16, 2011, 08:36:00 PM
HArbor Freight has a drum kit they sell for $25 and it includes several drum sizes...
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: razorsharptokill on February 16, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Once you get the pattern made then your riser block gets sanded to match the same contour. Should be able to reproduce the same exact riser over and over.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Blue EagleBum on February 16, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
Once again I must show my ignorance. How do you use the pattern to get them all the same.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: razorsharptokill on February 16, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
The wheel on the bottom rolls along the (plexiglass)forcing wood off the block until it matches the form. Block is cut close with a bandsaw then taken to final dimension and shape with the pattern and sanding drum.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/bows/CIMG1865.jpg)

Here is the jig I made for the KennyM 64" longbow riser. The roughed out riser block clamps in then I slide the block against the sanding drum with the jig held flat against the table on the drill press. When no more is being taken off, it's done.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Gundog68 on February 17, 2011, 02:58:00 AM
I made my own one:
  (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/schleifwalzespezialk.jpg/)
Put the stuff on with double sided tape, crossing over the short flat part of the drum.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Gundog68 on February 17, 2011, 03:00:00 AM
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3468/schleifwalzespezialk.jpg)
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Gundog68 on February 17, 2011, 03:05:00 AM
Another way is to use the edgesander like in this video... but you have to live with an offset...

  Alberti Archery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HAYRVtxHMU)
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: bjansen on February 17, 2011, 07:45:00 AM
That is pretty slick Gundog...what is the diameter of the drum?
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: ChristopherO on February 17, 2011, 10:46:00 AM
I like the shank diameter on Gundog68's model better then what I see on the Robosander.  In the pictures, at least, GD's looks to be larger than RB's, which only looks to be a 1/4 of an inch.  
Has anyone experienced issues of uneven presure along the sanding surface using the Robosander?
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Robertfishes on February 17, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
I use a tungsten carbide 60 grit sleeve on mine . The rubber drum fits inside it and the metal sleeve does not bulge. I bought the metal sleeve from McMaster-Carr. The 36 grit is way too agressive the 60 grit seems to work just right..   (http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/Robertfishes/robosander-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Gundog68 on February 18, 2011, 01:23:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by bjansen:
That is pretty slick Gundog...what is the diameter of the drum?
The  bearing is 47 mm. I made the diameter of the drum 2xsanding paper thickness (60 grit) smaller.

The lower bearing is fixed in as an additional guide, so once in a drill-press, there is no tolerance.
The other bearings are for the template, top or bottom as you like it.
You can make several diameter and switch this fast in the drill-press.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: IAOUTDOORSMAN on February 20, 2011, 04:06:00 AM
3 Rivers Archery sells a cheap one that goes to the great northern feather grinding jig.
http://www.3riversarchery.com/Arrow+Building+Tools+Feather+Extra+Sanding+Drums_c52_s8_p36_i5047_product.html
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: Bob Sarrels on February 20, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
New Mexico Woodworkers Supply carries them.
Title: Re: Pattern sanding drum?
Post by: rbbhunt on February 22, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Jim,
Woodcraft used to sell the Robosander as I also have one.  It works well as long as you have a good drill press that the table is perpendicular to the chuck.