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Title: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on September 29, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
I've been working on Gen III, cause I wanted to get away from the "semi-recurve" I had going on with Gen II.  I built a new form, added a powerlam and a tip wedge.  Here is an unbraced comparison.  Gen II is on top and Gen III on bottom.

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/8-12-10-1-1.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/W04110-15.jpg)

 Here they are braced.  

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/8-12-10-3-1.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/W04110-11.jpg)

Here is full draw.  I've got her pretty close here, but have some final tweaking to do as I lose another 2-3#.

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/8-12-10-4-1.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/W04110-12.jpg)

I much prefer this limb design.  I'm just not much of a recurve kinda guy.  This limb is much more stable as well.  I hope to shoot her some tonight.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: BenBow on September 29, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
I like it!
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: hova on September 29, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
ill take that 2 and dispose of it for ya...


love em both
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on September 29, 2010, 01:54:00 PM
That Gen II is a fine bow, and I've been hunting with it.  When I finish Gen III, I'm gonna sell #2.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: jess stuart on September 29, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
I been wondering when the next one was going to make its appearance.  Looks real good to me.  Love those belly mounted limbs.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: TNstickn on September 29, 2010, 07:44:00 PM
Are the limb stacks the same? Do they shoot/draw/feel the same? You know I love some experimentation!! Awesome work Marty. I really appreciate  all you share.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: GREG IN MALAD on September 29, 2010, 08:46:00 PM
That is going to be more stable and much quieter than the last one, and I don't think you will give up more than 5 fps, which is a good trade.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on September 29, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
The limb lams and glass are the same.  I added a power lam to the Gen III that extends 3" past the end of the wedges.  I also added a 6" tip wedge.  This one feels smoother to my 27" draw, but I fear it will stack earlier than the Gen II.  You can see my fears looking at the full draw shots.  Big difference in string angle.  I'll do some testing tomorrow, and hopefully shoot her some.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on September 30, 2010, 09:50:00 AM
I did some tinkering this morning.  The draw force curve shows this 60" NTN Gen III bow to be optimal for normal draw archers.  She gains 2.5# per inch out to 28 and then begins to stack.  I'm thinking she should get her best speeds for normal 27-28" draw folks like me.   :)   At the range she really shined.  I'm looking forward to more testing!
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: TNstickn on September 30, 2010, 07:57:00 PM
Very cool!!
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: kennym on September 30, 2010, 08:39:00 PM
:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on October 01, 2010, 09:06:00 AM
These are gonna get put on tonight!  The pattern varies some, but they are pretty close.  I may just use one skin for both limbs, but then I wouldn't have that line down the middle of my limbs.  What do you folks think?

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/Skins1.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/Skins2.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/Skins3.jpg)
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Jason Scott on October 01, 2010, 09:43:00 AM
I don't know. you got two snakes with the original intent to do one bow right? Would you always have that nagging feeling when you look at the bow if you use only one and they don't match. Probabably. I hate nagging feelings.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on October 01, 2010, 10:29:00 AM
The thing is, they will match better if I use just one skin.  The pattern just won't have that cool yellow/brown line down the center.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: GREG IN MALAD on October 01, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
Nature is full of variation, I would use both skins.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Jason Scott on October 01, 2010, 12:55:00 PM
I see
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: TNstickn on October 01, 2010, 02:23:00 PM
Line ...  :cool:   I dont think you could go wrong, either way is gonna look great!
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: c'ville on October 03, 2010, 01:38:00 PM
I'd use both, that line looks cool and the variation in the skins only adds character.  By the way I've really enjoyed following the your experimentation and development of this line of bows.  Bet she points really easily.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on October 05, 2010, 06:15:00 AM
I decided to use one skin and am going on four days now waiting on them to dry!  They are gonna look sharp, if I can ever finish them.  :)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-05-10-1.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-05-10-3.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-05-10-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: SteveD on October 05, 2010, 07:59:00 AM
Nice Marty. Looks great
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Erick S on October 05, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
Marty, it's looking good, I hope you still have it in Feb when I come down to pig hunt with you so that I can try it out. You never know I might want to have a second Apex Predator bow in my small collection.
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: kennym on October 05, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
Those match great!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Andy Cooper on October 05, 2010, 10:00:00 PM
very cool!
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: bow loving man on October 06, 2010, 05:07:00 AM
Love the skins!  Can't wait to see it finished...
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Dmaxshawn on October 06, 2010, 07:43:00 AM
Marty cant wait to see the finished product.  Those skins look great.

Shawn
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: Apex Predator on October 08, 2010, 07:12:00 AM
The snake skins are dry and this one is ready for final sanding/finish spraying.  I'm thinking this might be the final solution for this model, cause I really like her.

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-08-101.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-08-102.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-08-103.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-08-104.jpg)

 (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o203/Apex-Predator/Bow%20Building/10-08-105.jpg)
Title: Re: Wassw Gen III, the journey continues...
Post by: BenBow on October 08, 2010, 12:17:00 PM
Should be a sweet shooter