Do you guys know of a cheapo deluxe foam that I can use to fix my Mckenzie deer target... there seems to be a massive void in his heart/lung area!! :0)
Also...has anyone used foam to fill a box and make a target???
Ernie
Sounds like a good problem. I have used the insulating foam in the can from the local home supply store, doesn't hold up as well as the original but it is not very expensive, easy to use and you can trim the expanded portion with a knife.
Hornseeker are you bragging? I think Krewson? Had a post showing how he wrapped targets in plastic wrap and then filled target with foam.
Choose a minimal expansion polyeurathane spray foam, it will produce results closer (not identical) to your 3-D's origional foam than maximum (triple) expansion foam. Do not wrap since air is necessary for the foam to cure. Fill deer in place until the foam begins to run out, then stop, cure, and repeat. When the core is filled (okay, over-filled and looks all misshapen), trim with a serrated bread knife. This will give you about 1/3 the origional shooting time you had with the origional and is really only good to do once.
Also, you may find the foam adhering to certian arrows. I shoot woodies and have very little trouble with this but if your shooting alluminum or carbons at high velocity, well...
Good luck!
-Brett
There is a guy who sells 2 part urethane kits for this task. I think they are in pints or quarts. He is at alot of the trad shows I think he is from wisconsin.
Terry
Walmart carries "Great Stuff" foam and it works really well. I wrap my target with plastic and cut a small hole and stick the nozzle in and fill er up. I have shot many shots into my repaired targets and the holes seal right back up.
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I've tried the foam insulation in a can, but much prefer the $20 kit from suppliers such as LAS for the specific use of repairing foam targets. I bought 10 used targets from the local club for $150, with shot out vitals, and repaired them with 2 $20 repair kits. Holding up well, and the repair foam is tough. Bill G.
I wrap mine, before shooting the foam in. It will cure because the wrapping isn't completely air tight.It just takes a little longer to set up. It helps compress the foam and make it a little more dense. I'm still shooting targets that are ten years old using this method. The kit probably works better, but I haven't tried it.
David
I do the same with the kit, mix & wrap quickly with plastic and masking tape over the liquid when I pour it in, and let the foam expand into every crack & crevice. Works great. Bill
The best target repair kit you can get is made by George Ver Haagh. He's the guy that T Folts is talking about.
Georges repair kit should realy be called a target "restoring" kit because when you're finished you basicly have a brand new target. The foam he uses is very high density and is very similar to the original material.
I think a kit is around $30 or so. Here's the contact info:
George Ver Haagh
3-D Country Inc.
1713 Chicago St.
De Pere, WI 54115
920-337-4704
www.3-dcountry.com (http://www.3-dcountry.com)
Email: 3dcountry@sbcglobal.net
-Ron
I've repaired quite a few targets with George's 3-D Country kits. The foam is really better than the original McKenzie, I would be a little leery of having it mailed during cold weather, but I'm sure a call to George could verify whether or not you need to wait for warmer weather. All-in-all, it's great stuff and a lot better than "Great Stuff"!
I have used spray foam with good results. Wrapped the target in plastic like everyone and sprayed the foam in. Also used to get some color matched or as close to spray paint to finish it off. Then take a dermal tool and either redo the scoring rings or create some vitals.
That 3-D kit looks pretty good. I am going to have to give it a try.
Great Info....thanks all!
Does anyone know what foam Rhinehart uses? Or any way to find out?? That stuff is INCREDIBLE!
George can tell you what foam any manufacturer uses.
-Ron
IMO that stuff that George sells at the shoots is really topnotch stuff. When fully cured the patch is just like a Rhinehart target.
With that said I still use GreatStuff in the red can. GreatStuff is just way cheaper to use. I can get it anyday of the week, Home Depot is just 20 minutes away.
The trick to getting a good patch with the spray foam is compression, which Mr. Krewson eluded to in his repair thread. What I like to do is use shrink wrap and completely wrap the target as tight as I can. Then fill the cavity with the foam, lay the target down on a firm surface patchside up,and then weigh it down with as much weight as I can manage. I have plenty of bluestone around so that's what I use atleast 250+ pounds. If done right you don't even have to do any trimming of excess foam.
I also use Great Stuff but I'll also stray my target with bed liner coating you can get in a can. Fills in the little holes and cracks pretty good and makes the great stuff foam tougher.
Thanks again for all the good info! I've got one to fix, and I want to make a "block" with a cardboard box...but all the foam I"m looking at would make about $150 target! Nope.
E
Do Ya Add Coloring? As You Spray with an "Atomizer" Kinda Deal, or Just Paint it as Needed??
With the 3-D Country foam, I just spray paint after repairing and blend colors so the patch disappears. The one thing I can't hide, however, is the lack of holes in a newly repaired target. BTW I think this foam is better than that in the Rineharts. It seems to self-heal better.
I repair my 3-D targets by stuffing the hole with those free plastic bags you end up with after shopping, and then wrapping the body with a piece of burlap, and tacking it along the spine of the animal. Very easy, cheap, and lasts a long time, and easy to do again, and again.
thanks for all the info guys as usual I knew exactly where to look for good infomation.I just got back from Denton Hill with a small herd of critters to add to my collection. so off to home depo I go. :archer2:
I use spray foam BUT first I cut out the damaged part and put in a plug of denser foam board(I use kids boogie boards, bought 2nd hand , eatha foam not the white foam) then I spray the can foam in shape with a bread knife and paint. If you just use spray foam you'll blow through it pretty fast.
Ernie and others listen to me seriously!
Go to either Wal-marty or Target and look in the sporting goods "Yoga crap stuff" and look for a blue or pinkish color set of Yoga Blocks...they are about 4" thick x 6" wide x 91/2" long and you get two blocks for about $12.00 and change...It feels exactly like rineheart material and you have my word on it...If you want to order this stuff just google Yoga block and look for the cheapest you can buy...It works just as good for the quiver hoods and doing a search you can find colors like black,olive green and browns and tans to match your 3'd animals vital areas that are shot out...Buy a tube of plumbers goop cause it's waterproof and can get at lowes, walmart and hardware stores..Use the goop to hold it in place'''Just saw out the bad area any way you can and put the whole block in and you have a new target...Seach this stuff fella's and it comes in a Big block also...The big one measures 61/2"x91/4"x 131/2" and cost's about $26.99 and you can make a big block target with it...P.m me and I can tell ya a website selling them for $5.75 for the smaller blocks...
Keefers <><
x2 on Bldtrailer's idea, I''ve done this several times myself and it works great.
Steve
t.t.t. for Hornseeker,
Ernie if you ever get to a Wal-Mart just look for the Yoga block and forgot to mention in my previous thread some are puple in color there but squeeze this block and tell me if it doesn't feel just as dense as a 18-1 rineheart target...Somewhere back in Jan. I posted about this find and a few fella's went out and found some and agreed it can be used both as a quiver hood replacement and to replace that main vital area in and 3-D target and the stuff is Cheap...
This may sound weird to you bro, but I've used silicone right out of a calking tube before with pretty impressive results.
I'm going to look into this "Yoga block" material for large repairs though. thanks Keefer!
Kirk
Kirk,
You will be so amazed with it and personally I see many other use's ...Search Yoga blocks for the best prices and color choice's...I'm just thinking many archery clubs can savage most thier 3-D targets and get quite a bit more years from using a block...Just take a rasp or drywall rasp and shape the stuff to fit and a bandsaw will help in cutting your new hood foam then use the bench sander to clean it up...