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Title: IPE use; Edge Grain vs Flat grain
Post by: BEN on June 30, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
Guys,

I got an 8' Ipe 4x4 that I'm going to cut into slats for making  bamboo backed bows. Is there a tillering difference or difference in thickness neeeded when using quarter-sawn wood grain VS using a flat-grain board?
On another post I asked about IPE, I was told that 5/8-1" when using boards-----I'm assuming that is with a flat grain. Is there a difference when using quarter-sawn grain? I just want to get in the ballpark before cutting this thing down......thanks

Ben
Title: Re: IPE use; Edge Grain vs Flat grain
Post by: Jesse Peltan on June 30, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
I think you need edge grain if you don't have glass on the bow, but I am not sure.
Title: Re: IPE use; Edge Grain vs Flat grain
Post by: Art B on June 30, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
There won't be any difference in thickness Ben. On the last two Ipes bows I made I used the quarter-sawn and I had some serious grain problems. The quarter-sawn grain keep popping up the inner two-thirds of both limbs. Fixed that with a belly veneer of flat-sawn Ipe but needless to say, I won't be using quarter-sawn Ipe anymore.

ART B
Title: Re: IPE use; Edge Grain vs Flat grain
Post by: Springbuck on July 09, 2009, 08:56:00 PM
Ipe is seriously dense, I doubt you'll see much difference.  With backed bows, grain orientation  matters little as long as the grain runs strongly lengthwise to the bow and doesn't run off sharply.  I would bet that Art's grain was angling off, but was hard to see since it was quartersaw.  Ipe grain can be hard to see as it is, esp. if it's dark colored.

  Actually a 5/8" thick slat, plus a backing, is enough to make a s stiff a bow as a mortal man can shoot...I've had a 68" long, 3/8" thick ipe lam and 1/8" max thickness bamboo backing, 1 1/2" wide come out well into the 60's at 29".
Title: Re: IPE use; Edge Grain vs Flat grain
Post by: BEN on July 10, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
"Springbuck"-----I've got some slats drying right now. 2 @ 5/8 and 2 @ 1/2. I'm gonna see what happens with these before I cut the rest out.
I'm aiming for a slender limb bow---no more than 1 1/4" wide at the fades and going down to 3/8 -1/2 at the tips.

thanks for the help guys

ben