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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: peak98 on February 04, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
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I'm having trouble deciding which new bow to order......and no, I can't get them all, LOL.
Bow will be ordered between 50#-55#@28 and 60". The two most important requirements for my new bow are 1. Shootibility ,if I can't shoot it well
it won't be much use to me
2. Queitness, I shoot recurves and have
noticed that some are a good bit
noisier than others.
I shoot split finger, instinctive..the bow will be for deer hunting, mostly out of a treestand. I took up trad about 2 years ago and have fell in love with the "stick and string", but just now have got the extra $$$ to order a bow for ME.
1. DAS Dalaa- never shot one but only heard good things
2. Silvertip 3 piece curve- the only one that I've had a chance to shoot was smooth, quiet and quick....
I originally posted my top 4 picks , but have narrowed it down to these two, so I deleted the other two bows from this post.
All opinions will be appreciated.
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You may want to add a Swan Carbon Curve to your list. 60" very fast and scary quiet when tuned. It's a one piece. Though any on your list would be a good choice.
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thanks,
I'll take a close look at the Swan
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I'm biased, but my vote is for the Dalaa. I think there may be some Swan limbs available for it before too long.
I'd really like to lay hands on a Toelke though. They are supposed to be very nice.
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Ditto the Dalaa. Having a ball with mine, owned
and shot all or most all you mentioned. It is just nice to have a bow that is tunable to style
and consistent to a fault. Its just as fast as the rest to boot. If you want a heavier or lighter set of limbs, they are available with minor modification for $110-$550+ in a couple of weeks at most. Ive got two new sets coming #35 and #56 so Ill now have and adjustment range of #30 to #60 with one bow. You cant do that with the rest. Just some extra thoughts to throw in.
Estacado
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SILVERTIP!!!!!!!!!
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Given the bows you listed, I would say SILVERTIP!!
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Another Silvertip vote.
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http://tradgang.com//noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=040555
I have 4-5months to go on a new Silvertip because of this thread...never shot one though.
I love my Border too, best I've personally shot.
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I will go with Guru and say Silvertip and never look back :thumbsup:
Joe
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It's nearly impossible beat the DAS Dalaa riser except for another DAS riser with regards to a hunting three piece recurve and with regards to available limbs, saying the skies the limit isn't to far from the truth.
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thanks gentlemen, for your honest opinions......
My choices have been narrowed down to 2 bowyers/ bows to order. The dalaa or a silvertip, my question to yuo know "which bow and why ?"
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Hands down Silvertip !! Has proven itself for a lonnng time!
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You can get the DAS very quickly from 3Rivers, the Silvertip will take a while.
The Silvertip has a soul (in my opinion only) and metal riser bows are more like tools.
If it were me, I'd get the Silvertip.
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Silvertip!!!!! Very quiet and great shooters. Shawn
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SILVERTIP, I've got 5 of them.
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How many of you guys expressing an opinion on this question have shot BOTH bows? If you haven't, your opinion isn't worth much.
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let me think about this... ok Silvertip
Billy
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the only possible answer is to order a Silvertip, buy a Dalaa and shoot it while you're waiting for the Tip. And then decide which one is for you and sell the other.
And yes I've shot and owned both
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I was in the same position as you about 6 months ago,but the choise was Black Swan or DAS Hunter.
I ordered the Hunter,should be here in a couple of weeks,,,,but I'm still going to buy a Black Swan.
Just can't get over how beautifull that bow is.
You have to make your own end decision,so good luck with what ever you buy.
Cheers.
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I can honestly say i have shot many bows and just got two silvertips IMO they are fantastic. I just sold a DAS hunter because i just didnt like the knobs and rest and stablizer although it was a shooter and dave is a super guy, I just like the wood but try and shoot both to see what you like but i can say im sold on the silvertips. I dont want anyone to take my opinion the wrong way they are both great bows and great people good luck!
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Originally posted by MMilin:
How many of you guys expressing an opinion on this question have shot BOTH bows? If you haven't, your opinion isn't worth much.
I of course own my DAS and I have owned a Silvertip but sold it. My answer was based solely on the original posts #1 and #2 requirements, based on that the DAS wins, especially on requirement #1.
I don't believe a bow has soul, charateristics yes but not soul. It's first and foremost a tool. A bow can have beauty but there are many forms and opinions of beauty. I appreciate a beautiful wooden bow as much as the next guy. I recently became the proud owner of a Sheepeater Classic Recurve, but even with that my wood choices were simple and had a purpose beyond beauty.
My DAS to me has the same form of beauty I see when I admire my Glock handgun, Bushmaster rifle or for that matter a Tennessee "Barn Rifle" Flintlock. Deadly, tough and built with one purpose in mind.
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great post Mike, now lets see a pic of that sheepeater.
Billy
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silvertip for the reason "marblesonac" said. besides that 'tips are tops in all categories too........
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Order the Silvertip . Never shot a dallaI but the question was Dalla or Silvertip...which one to order. Silvertip is wood riser the other is metal,I like wood.
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Originally posted by SilverTip:
great post Mike, now lets see a pic of that sheepeater.
Billy
Bill...See the attached link. Scroll down and there you will find a couple of pics Mark took. My digital doesn't take that great of pictures so I haven't taken any yet. It's a very unique bow and one of the most natural pointing bows I have owned or shot. Should make an outstanding treestand bow.
Sheepeater Thread Link (http://tradgang.com//noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=041061;p=1#000000)
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I have never seen a DAS and don't care how they shoot. The bow is only as good as the man behind it. I looked at the DAS 3 Rivers sells and all of the stuff to go on it. It's like a compound without the wheels. There are things I don't have to try to know I don't like. But if a metal riser floats your boat go for it.
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Originally posted by Bishop:
I have never seen a DAS and don't care how they shoot. The bow is only as good as the man behind it. I looked at the DAS 3 Rivers sells and all of the stuff to go on it. It's like a compound without the wheels. There are things I don't have to try to know I don't like. But if a metal riser floats your boat go for it.
Bishop don't want to get into an argument but your statement is really off the mark to put it politely.
I shoot my DAS with nothing more than a simple springy rest that has been around decades longer than any compound bow. I haven't had to touch a thing on my DAS and don't ever plan to since I got it. I have two sets of limbs and don't have to change a thing when I swap between them. I just string it up and shoot.
Just an FYI but the man that makes the Silvertip shoots his with a raised rest and uses vanes just as much as he uses feathers on his arrows. And yes metal risers for recurves have been around since the 50's and if you just happen to have a riser with micarta in it guess what that was originally invented for. The NASA space program. So please there is no reason to bash any bow. This is simply a discussion of opinions and yes some facts.
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I shot a friends DAS Master Hunter and in all honesty wasn't impressed with the bow at all. It was smooth drawing but had more noise and less speed than I thought it would considering all the hype.
I own 4 Silvertips and wouldn't trade any one for a DAS. I'd own more Schafers but Scott Magill keeps buying them before I have the chance.
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What Larry and MikeC said - and I have owned both.
And the Dalaa can be sst up as simply as any other bow - evry thing else is OPTIONS.
Steve
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I have shot them both. The Das is a nice bow, but I do not like the bells and whistles, limb savers and string silencers to quiet them. The Silvertip is much prettier and is quiet with little work. I just like the feel of an all wood and glass bow. shawn
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Sorry Mike I didn't think I was bashing but there is as much stuff to hang on a DAS as any wheel bow but you could put inserts in a wood bow and do the same thing. And I am fully aware how Dave shoots and Paul shot. I have 2 Tips and think the are the best bows out there.
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From what I understand from the website you can not order the Daala now.
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Originally posted by Ron Chambers:
From what I understand from the website you can not order the Daala now.
David is not taking orders for his DAS custom bow, he's booked.
You order the Daala from 3 Rivers.
I just checked 3 Rivers and you can buy one right now if you choose.
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SILVERTIP!!!
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One more option...I like the 1 piece Silvertip better than the takedown.
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So is 3 rivers making the DAS now? I don't get it
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You guessed it-I too say SILVERTIP !!!!!
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Hey...you're actually allowed to post your opinion of the DAS/Dalaa on this site without getting edited or banned? Cool...great site...
I'm going to take the high road here and stay out of this one...
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Originally posted by Bishop:
Sorry Mike I didn't think I was bashing but there is as much stuff to hang on a DAS as any wheel bow but you could put inserts in a wood bow and do the same thing. And I am fully aware how Dave shoots and Paul shot. I have 2 Tips and think the are the best bows out there.
Bishop...Like I said earlier. This is a discussion of opinions and some facts as you state above. I think it's great you "tip" owners are passionate about your bows but I know that does not lend itself to completely open thought. I'm not passionate about bows as I tend to look at them as tools or machines, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, with that said concentrating on the original posters question and needs the DAS can't be beat.
Need to slightly tweek tiller no problem. Want to shoot off the shelf no problem, raised rest no problem. Don't like the grip change it...as many times as you like with a purchased one or buy a blank and shape it yourself, screw it up, no problem throw it out and start over.
Limbs can be found everywhere and available today, from older ILF limbs that cost peanuts but are still better than most bowyer's limbs to state of the art high tech ILF limbs used by Olympic archers. You can even have Border Archery build you a set of their best to ILF specs.
Both are great bows it's just a matter of what you want a bow to do today and many years from now and what will make you happy owning. A DAS may arguably be the most shootable/tunable/versitile hunting recurve available but if you just can't over the fact it's state of the art and not wood than it's no good to you, and you know what that's OK.
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I owned a Silvertip and I thought it was decent bow, definitely not the best recurve I've ever owned.... I have never shot a DAS, but I do own a WARF and would assume the shooting characteristics are very similar.... I believe the DAS will be MUCH smoother that the Silvertip.. I think the Silvertip will be a lot easier to get quiet....
Both would be good choices...
Have you looked into Border bows?
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DAS infinite configurations. , and eternel adjustments can be made to match YOU. Call David over at DAS he will easily convince You. I have a DAS master hunter on order now......
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Originally posted by Ron Chambers:
So is 3 rivers making the DAS now? I don't get it
I'm not sure this is 100% correct but it's probably close.
David Sosa (founder of DAS) is manufacturing the Daala and the bows are being distributed (sold) by 3Rivers.
The two companies, DAS & 3 Rivers, probably have an exclusive agreement that covers the arrangement. My guess is that David was getting overwhelmed by the sales, service and marketing hassles. 3 Rivers takes that off his hands and allows him to focus on the design and manufacturing. At the same time, 3 Rivers gets a high quality, unique bow to sell.
And David can still make a small number of custom high end bows.
Everybody wins.
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3 Rivers is selling the Dalaa by DAS Kinetics in a deal with David just like they sell Bear bows. If you want a Master Hunter, his "custom" bow, you get it directly from him, no one else sells it.
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No brainer. SILVERTIP.
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Just to clarify, I'm building the Dalaa exclusively for 3 Rivers. That is the only place you can get one.
I'm still building a small number of the custom "Master Hunter". There is info about the two bows on my website.
Both models are built here side by side by me and one assistant with the exception that some of the components on the Dalaa, like the grips, are CNC made. The Master grips are made by hand so that individual tastes can be accommodated.
I'd also add that it's an honor to be compared to the Silvertip. I think Paul and I shared a lot of ideas about what makes a good bow. It saddens me that I never met him.
David
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Dave;
Thank you for the kind words about Paul ! You are a class act!
Also enjoyed watching you on " Masters of the BareBow".
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I've shot both but enjoy the Silvertip more. The silvertip is a much quieter bow with no vibration. Both bows have a smooth draw. Some of my opinion is plain personal preference. When shooting the DAS I was reminded of the Hoyt olympic style bows I shot years ago and just didn't feel like a hunting bow :banghead: I know the bows are different than the bows used by my native american ancestors but when I hunt with a wooden bow it seems I am transported back in time.
Joe
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DAVE ,NOTHING BUT CLASS MAN
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Yea, well a few days ago someone was comparing my bow to a Kingfisher. Now that was insulting :rolleyes: :p
David
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Well, I can only add my opinion from what I have experienced. Never had a Silvertip, but I did have a Mariah Thermal. It's grip was very similar to a Silvertip. I liked the bow and all, but as is the case with most custom wooden recurves I've owned.... they all pretty much feel and shoot the same. When it comes to speed, I would guess that the Silvertip, Dalaa, and most any of the good recurves are shooting pretty close to each other.
So what does that leave? The adjustability of the Dalaa. Just last night I recieved a new set of limbs for my Dalaa and the results are phenominal.... it can be adjusted from 41# - 48# VERY easily, draw curve is an incredible 2.0-2.2 lbs. per inch from 25"-29", and this bow will be as quiet as any wooden recurve I have ever owned. I know this because I know how to silence recurves.... not just the wooden ones, but the metal ones too.
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I have shot a Silvertip, and it shot well. I have a Marriah Thermal, which as Pinelander stated has a grip very much like the Silvertip. I also have a DAS Hunter. To me, and I am extremly sensitive to vibration due to nerve damage in the neck, there is no vibration in the DAS. None. There is some vibration in the Marriah. The Marriah is better than most other bows I have shot.
Additionally, the DAS is quieter than the Marriah and the other bows I have, when set up properly.
The Silvertip is a top-quality, well-engineered wood-riser bow, with good custom limbs. The Dalaa is an excellent, well engineered metal riser bow, with good Olympic-quality limbs.
waterone
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OOPS! I was just told that Hummingbird makes a "Kingfisher". That was NOT what I was refering too! I was talking about the cheap little metal bow that PSE makes. Thanks for helping me out Chad! I think we need a "foot in mouth" Graemlin :)
David
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David,
Did you recieve the e-mail I sent you several days ago?
Peter
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I don't see how you could go wrong with either.
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I am hoping the DAS/Daala bows come down in price.
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It seems to me that the initial question, although likely innocently asked...was sort of loaded in the "apples and oranges" way. The DAS and the Silvertip are both take down recurves...that's about where the similarities end. I suppose it comes down to, as all bow buying does, priorities.
You have to ask, what are you buying it for? Like a lot of choices we all make....mate, pickup truck, wardrobe, rifles, shotguns, dogs....the list goes on.....point is, are you looking for competent utility with exceptional eye appeal or exceptional utility with competent eye appeal? Or maybe your one of the lucky ones who finds one of the choices to have both exceptional eye appeal and utility...but I don't think so, or your two choices wouldn't be so far apart on the recurve spectrum. Time to just jump down on one side of the fence or the other. Look at it this way, it really is hard to lose with either choice....just for different reasons. ;)
-Rob
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Just curious, I normally don't do much 3d shooting so was wondering if there are any restrictions on this type of recurve in 3d shoots? If so do they have their own class??
Joe
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To answer ROB TAYLOR's question above, the bow that I decide to order will be for hunting, so a smooth, quiet, forgiving bow is my primary concern. If it's easy on the eyes , then it's just a bonus to me. My main concern is to be able to shoot it accurately, to be able to harvest quickly and humanely. Metal or wood risers don't really matter to me. Kinda like Fords or Chevys, wood arrows or carbons. It's what YOU like, what YOU want. I just want a good hunting bow made for ME. Probably like most members here, I shoot trad because it's what I like to do, what I want to do. I shoot off the shelf, instinctively, with a curve because, to me, its more fun, more of a challenge....and because the sights, releases, overdraws, etc just got to where it was just TOO COMPLICATED, I just didn't enjoy shooting my compound. thanks for all the input, your opinions are greatly appreciated.
peak98
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peak98, good luck with the bow you choose :thumbsup:
Joe
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Good answer Darrell. Let me know how it turns out.
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This queston was a joke right? Having trouble picking between those two? Shoot both and decide as with any other two bows or you will always be left wondering. :)
For me personally the Silvertip is not even a contender for what I like in a bow but everyone is different.
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Thanks for all the responses gentlemen, your opinions are appreciated.
peak98
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peak98, there is a Dalaa for sale on the Trad Bow forum right now if you're interested.
Joe
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I've shot alot of deer off the shelf, but the older I get the more I'm intrigued with more tuning options and reasonable limb costs, and less intrigued with looks. Always have been a pragmatic type of guy.
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I have shot alot of bows, Silvertips shoot well for me. In my opinion for what it is worth, bows are like women, some are very pretty but you couldn't stand to live with them.(Look good but don't shoot for beans.) Others, well, they may have a nice personality...(Shoot good but are butt ugly!) You have to find a bow that you like to look at and becomes a part of you while you carry it in the woods. Date, excuse me, I mean shoot alot of bows,the right one will come along.
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The Schafer, because you have shot one before and liked it. I wouldn't order a bow I'd never shot before, just because others like it. I have been disappointed with a couple bows that many others raved about. I've shot a lot of custom recurve bows and haven't shot anything I like better than my Schafer.
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Hey Paul....go to the big indoor coming up in Billings and shoot Albertakid's DAS...then see what you think. ;)
-Rob
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Your more than welcome to Paul.
Jordan
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Like how I volunteered ya, Jordan?....haha ;)
To the original question....and right to the point...for the mission you describe:
You have the best opportunity to shoot most consistently under more diverse conditions, with more varied setups with the Dalaa. There is NO refuting that. So there it is...naked truth....LOL.
-Rob