Hello from France everybody !
I need help to choose my next TD recurve bow
Between those what is the best for you ?
in 50#@28" and 60" long (no hunting with)
1 Black Widow PSA3
2 Cascade Night Hawk
3 Bear Kodiak TD
4 Morrison Cheyene
5 Blacktail Hunter TD
I know, the price is not the same, but not a prob
I just have to choose between those but, I never try them of course, it's a long way from France
Please, can you help me to choose ? thank a lot!!!
Morrison
I own and shoot a BW MA11 and love it,and I don't think I could find a better bow. Maybe almost as good but not better in my opinion.
I am sure others will be in to tell you about theirs, as we all have our favorites.
I think they are all great, it's just what ever you decided on. Good luck and have fun.
Alan
Black Widow
If money isn't a problem, I'd go with the Morrison or the Blacktail. They hold there value exceptionally well and the shoot great too. I'd cut of my pinky toe just to have either. But, money is an issue for me.
Greg
If it was me # 2 & 3 would be off the list.I haven't tried a Morrison.I've tried Widow's and like them and I've tried a Blacktail that was nice.
I would have to pick the Widow if I couldn't try it first.I would think that any of the three bows left would be great quality but I would know for sure with the Widow.
Hmm that's a toughy :readit:
I'd go with morrison or blacktail!
Have fun choosing!
Phil
I'm a widow fan, but i have shot a morrison and i liked it alot. I've never shot a black tail but i've heard good things about them.
How soon do you need the bow. Pretty big difference in wait times on what you have listed.
Don't really need it soon ....but I don't think about that !!!! ....it could be a big difference
It's very difficult to wait long long time for the " new and perfect" bow !! In France too héhéhé .
If somebody have a good idea for another nice bow, welcome (thats what I ear from my country )
The only thing that I realy need, is a deflex riser, and fast limbs ... But what I sure too, is that I don't know all US bowyers (It's a shame, I know lol)
Five hundred dollars converts to 341 euros today.
If you don't need it soon, wait a little longer and buy two bows.
:biglaugh:
Have you considered a Border? A little closer to home & probably as good (if not better) than everything you've listed
I sent you a pm philip...
The best recurve is either the Blacktail or the Black widow ...just my 2 cents , with Morrison 3rd...I love these 3 bows!!!! :)
Morrison if you want speed.
Black Widow if you want all-around forgiveness and reasonable speed.
Don't know about the Blacktail, but hear good things.
I would pass on the Cascade and the Bear.
See Ya,
Marc
In my humble opinion if you want a recurve I would choose an Assenheimer, they are absolutley gorgeous and they shoot fantastic
If you want a GREAT looking, great shooting bow at a reasonable price with a short to medium wait, look here:
http://www.roseoakcreations.com/gpage3.html
Larry, ty for you'r pm, but your box is full
Robtatoo, I used 3 Border bows when I was young .
It was very good bows, but using on them carbon now, there is lot gluing probs and the grip to big .Another prob, in France, in a good archery, you can find Samick ....or Border, that's all .
Everybody shoot Samick young, and Border later lol . Dan, I don't find Assenheimer on my listing ? and for Marblesonac, I just had a look yesterday on Roseoakcreations but never ear about in France ( but look very nice !)
try J.K. Chastain from WAPITI Archery, www.worldclassbows.com (http://www.worldclassbows.com) , reasonable prices and fast delivery and you can pick what you want. Although I am usually a longbow guy, I like my TD recurve. 20 shots and i am right back with it.
Roland
A 60" recurve and a 28" draw, but not for hunting?
Go longer, much longer.
what do u mean Rob ?
At a 28" draw length, you'd get better shooting stability with a bow longer than 60". I'd opt for a 66" length if yer not gonna hunt with it.
Ho ok, I know Rob, I shoot a lot in Field with Barebows ( Hoyt modified )I have a lot of bows, long, short( Browning Nomad Stalker 52") I use it like horsebow, the longuest is my Hoyt Avalon for Barebow, it's a "68 .
I done bows myself for ten years, but had to stop because, I got big problems working on exotic woods like Pao Ferro, so now, I have to buy bows, like everybody, and so sorry about
In this new millennium, there are SO many superb trad bowyers and bows to choose.
IMO, there is no "best" trad bow, there is only the bow that's in yer hand that works "best" for you. To me, trad bows are both weapons and art, and I've gotta have more than one. :D
You'll NEVER EVER know how a bow will work for you unless you shoot it. Sometimes you'll know right away if it's a keeper or not - sometimes it takes weeks or longer. And in that light, the opinions of others are just that, and have little or nothing to do with you and the bow(s) yer interested in buying. That goes for ALL bows - box stock or super custom. You gotta shoot 'em!
Going with a custom trad bow can mean months or years of wait, and that's another consideration.
I've got two bows coming - one used and one brandy new - both might end up on the Classifieds chopping block, or ... hey, it's all a crap shoot of sorts.
A new bow is always dificult choice ....
But time we spend choosing it it's big pleasure too .The most dificult is waiting for the new bow after ...
I agree with robtatoo... I you are looking for great performance, go with a Border Black Douglas Ultra with the HEX IV limbs. They smoke an arrow and are gorgeous too. I have a 50#@28 Border with the XP30 limbs (get the HEX IV's) and I can smoke an arrow at 209 FPS (the HEX IV's are faster). Try and find any Widow that will do that. That, and they are a lot closer to you (Scotland).
Don't get me wrong, widows are good bows but some people just don't like/adapt well to the rear mounted limbs and the bulky riser (IMO). Personally, I can't stand it. I own a Zipper TD (Great bow), a Border Black Douglas TD (super fast great bow), and a Hybrid TD Southern Draw Longbow (super fast for only 43#). I'm ordering a Blacktail Snackbit sometime this month but because of Norm's wait time, I probably won't see it for two years. I have a weakness for really high-end performers.
Greg
I really don't like Border ( new models)
I shoot Border for long time, Longbow and recurve td, but there is a lot of problems of delamination , on the news Border, on Fita limbs, and Hunting bows too . Probs looks comming from carbon . Now I've a longbow Border Hawk, 62" 55#@28", yew and carbon limbs, with clear fiber, and Tulipwood riser reinforced.
But, I try to sold it , to buy a Grand Gallois wakatanka,(the best longbow I never try )
I sent you a pm
I would look at a Zipper or a Fox High Sierra. Both great bows and super bows to shoot.
Blacktail without a doubt. Frank
Never try the Blacktail, What do you feel with ?
Is it as quick as BW or Morrison ?
ttt
I currently have two Blacktails and one Morrison. I have also had a Black Widow. My personal opinion is I would rank the Blacktail first, Morrison 2nd and Widow 3rd. They all performed exceptionaly well as far as speed, really couldn't tell a difference. Those Blacktails are so nice to look at and if you ever decide to sell one they go fast.
Thank you Builder, and what about speed for those 3 ?
those are some pricey buggers, have you looked at a bob lee? the preformance is up there with anything.
Well philip, my 46# widow shoots an arrow 450grns through the crono at around 190-192fps.
I ask for the speed, because in France to in Hunting category, we have to shoot 30 grammes arrows, I don't know in gr, but it's heavy for somebody who's shooting between 40 and 50# don't you think .
Before, in Barebow, I never had this prob, because arrows weight is free
And in Longbow, the only thing is : wooden arrows ( no special wheight)
Ty so mush Harry for your speed exemple
Thank you everybody, I'm on the good way now to choose between a BW psaV, and Morrison Cheyenne
Again a dificult choice
You did not list it, but you might consider a Wes Wallace. Very similar design to the Blacktail, top notch workmanship, and no better bowyer to deal with, IMHO. Wait is about 7 months on a new one. I have literally shot or owned every high dollar bow out there, and this is the best shooting, easiest to tune and select a proper arrow for bow I've ever messed with. It is not known for speed, but seems to be as fast as any other I've had. I have owned both Morrison and Black Widow; while they are first rate bows, I found both a bit touchy about arrow selection and tuning, and they just weren't right for me, but many, many people love them. Good luck, Paul.
I will solve your problem..Of your choices,simply make Black Widow #1,Black Widow #2, Black widow #3,
Black Widow #4 and Black Widow #5. Problem solved!
Cotton
Hello all.
I know I'm new here (I couldn't find an introduction thread - I'm a UK target archer who has recently bought a traditional recurve for field shooting and is hoping to pick up some tips) but I just wanted to weigh in on this thread. Hope that's okay :)
philippelobo: Not sure where you're hearing those stories about Border hunting and target limbs breaking, but Border certainly aren't hearing about this so I think it may be just rumour.
There have been some reported issues with the GLX laminate on some of their new traditional bows, but it was cosmetic only. The few limbs affected have been replaced, but none of them were in France. Furthermore, Border report that while a very small number target limbs using the new CXC laminate have had problems, again none of these are in France.
All types of limb break, but Border has a very good reputation for quality and customer service, even after the warranty period is over.
There's a section on the AIUK site (http://www.archery-interchange.com/forum) where you can discuss Border products and where they talk about developments and problems as they arise. It's a good source of information.
Anyway. good luck finding a bow that suits you, whoever the manufacturer :)
Good shooting,
JK
Blackwidow!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right now, I would say a Schafer or a RER T/D, out of your choices I would choose the Blacktail or Widow. Shawn
If it matters, I don't think that Norm is making the Blactail hunter model any more.
Whaoooo ! a lot of "aficionados" for Widows and Morrison !!!
A very dificult choice without trying ...
I think Cheyenne has a smaller grip than Widow,
( only on pics or is it real ?)
A big thank you to everybody again !!!
Philippe