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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: onemississipp on August 19, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
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It's time I build a new shave horse, my last one was sacrificed to the bowyer and fire gods....
I have been doing some searching and found some I like.
This one is awesome..
(http://www.brianboggschairs.com/images/ShaveHorse.jpg)
It's found here...
http://www.brianboggschairs.com/woodwork.htm
Here is "Lie-Nielsen Toolworks" version of it for $650.00 plus $85.00 shipping. It went down alot last time I saw it, couple years ago it was $1,200.00
(http://www.lie-nielsen.com/images/shavehorseheader.jpg)
So help me find a good design..
Here is my old one after it took a beating from me and lost it's back legs...
(http://onemississipp.googlepages.com/DSCF1536.jpg/DSCF1536-custom;size:600,450.jpg)
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it does look kool, the legs look way better then your old one.
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I'm kinda partial to the Lie-Nielsen horse, a handy guy could make that pretty easy. Your old one has a few bows left in it.Here's a shaving pony I found, might fit somebodies needs.
http://home.rochester.rr.com/dmatthews/shavepony/
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Horses, Ponies, and now a mule!
The shaving mule...
(http://countryworkshops.org/Images/mule1.jpg)
http://countryworkshops.org/shavingmule.html
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Dano that is kool. I like it
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I came across a ladies site that attended one of Boggs chair classes. There are some good pics of different styles here..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/muhe-e/sets/72157594229899329/
And she posted part of the plans for the boggs horse here...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/muhe-e/sets/72157594183715359/
The real plan is here, I think I'll sign up for the trial to get the plan..
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ProjectsAndDesign/ProjectsAndDesignPDF.aspx?id=24697
It appears that Boggs redesigned his horse and took the hump off the front. SO the "Lie-Nelsen" is the redsigned Boggs.
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Dang the 14 day trial isn't free, you have to sign up and give your card info then cancel if you don't want to keep paying.
The original plans were in "November/ December 1999 issue of fine woodworking"
I may just have to buy the back issue...
http://store.taunton.com/onlinestore/item/november-december-1999-fww991201.html
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Here is another made from green black locust...
Use Firefox browser...
http://gallery.me.com/charliedriggs#100024
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A shave horse for bow building, should have a "foot" more like the "Shaving Mule". If you have never tried one, you tend to get stretched out trying to apply foot presure while working a long stave.
You can just work small sections, but I find it best to have the handle area clamped and work the whole limb, makes work smoother.
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Then there is always this one...great site also..
(http://www.greenwoodworking.com/sh13.jpg)
http://www.greenwoodworking.com/shorse.htm
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Here are some more...
http://www.veritastools.com/Products/Page.aspx?p=188
http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/readarticle.pl?dir=smalser&file=articles_408.shtml
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/553055
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/plans/index.cfm/plan_details/5/85/1300
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here is another site with links to plans
http://www.sonic.net/boyett/hand_woodworking.htm
scroll down to "Shaving Horse Plans"
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Ok I think I'm done for now, maybe that helps anyone else looking for a shave horse.
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In my very limited experience i have come to prefer a setup that has a foot coming back towards you like the plan in the bowyers journal, it gives you ton more leverage when you need it. and when you don't need the extra leverage you barly need to step on it at all, not to mention that you arn't all stretched out. In fact i followe the bowyers journal plans exactly except for the sawhorse leg contraptions, those were too wobbly just make it all outta wood. Also a tractor seat makes it very comfortable, and make sure to add a few pegs that can be moved around up front to keep your bow from sliding side to side.
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Gopher got a pic?
The foot is a must, after doing it the other way.
What we are talking about being stretched out, check out Bernie in this thread.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=000031
Maybe he'll see this thread and add a foot to his.
Another thing I remembered after see his thread is the end of the stave in your chest and stomach, I have done till it hurts. It reason you do it is to keep the stave from sliding toward you.
We need a better system for that also.
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Here are couple that I made last winter:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Slivershooter/BowHorse006.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/Slivershooter/BowHorse004.jpg)
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I like your design Walt, you can get the stave off to the right or left of ya. Simple and very functional. Course the tracto seat may be hard to come by.
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Yep, that guy certainly looks kinda uncomfortable all right ......... oh wait, that's me. No doubt about that I could use some kind of a "foot" on there - it's hard to keep pressure on it. This one was given to me by a friend (even brought it to me), and was designed and built by his wife, some years back, to make wagon wheel spokes with. Spokes are a lot shorter than most bows - LOL. I really must attack this problem, 1Mississip!
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Bernie,
Your not alone in your pain, I have been in it for the last 2 years.
After a great day on the shave horse, you know you did some good. When your back, chest, and stomach hurt.
I think we have enough great minds to come up with a shave horse made for bowyers.
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Walt,
Do you ever have the problem of your stave trying to slide toward you?
I know a vise would solve alot of problems, and are great to use. But we don't like things to be easy, we like traditional!
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I have drawn up one in the how to section that you can make from 2x4's or sub heavier wood heavy is good
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i've built two different styles of horse but i still prefer a good 4-5" bench vise.
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Dano,
I made the double sided head so the people in my bow building classes can use either side. I got lucky finding the tractor seat, happened to stop by Mark Baker’s house the day after building these, and mentioned I was looking for one. He had a tractor seat in his yard, which he gave me.
Dustin,
After taking the pictures I put carpet on the deadheads and main beam to keep from damaging the back growth ring. That, with the leverage of the foot plate and arm keeps every thing held snug. On previous models I used 3/8” thick leather instead of the carpet and it worked even better: I just didn’t have any around when I made these.
Cade,
I also like using a bench vise, how my back is feeling at a given time will determine which one I use. The impetus for these was to allow seven different people to build bows in my shop at the same time.
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Mark is a good friend to have close by.
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I prefere to work standing up and don't like the typcal designs for all the stress placed on the low back. I know ferret uses a vise mounted at chest height, what about a combination of the two. height of ferret's with the ease of use of teh shaving horse. sorry for the quick drawing, and a left out the dead head, but this is what I was thinking. Foot pedal with a counter weight to release tension. delivering the force at chest height to allow better working ergonomics.
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj166/mjstuckey/shavingstand.jpg)
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looks to me that you need more leverage, but it has possibilities
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I have come across something for the problem with the stave in the chest.
This is the second time I have found it..
Oh and I thought the Boggs horse was expensive, I was wrong. This guy has one for $750.00. That looks kinda like the one I burned and made for $12.00.
(http://woodbucket.com/images/draw-horse-small.jpg)
Anyway above pic you see a piece of wood with a string that looks like a bib. Well you wear it like a bib and use it the apply pressure to the end of the stave instead of the chest and stomach.
(http://woodbucket.com/images/b.jpg)
If you would like to buy that shave horse you can find it here.
http://woodbucket.com/tools.html
Here is the other pic I found
http://books.google.com/books?id=dDbKtdJAZU4C&pg=PA172&vq=shave+horse&dq=work+bench&source=gbs_search_s&sig=ACfU3U2bcMObSEtgObmOhWaSQHnKEKr-pg
It's from the book "The Workbench Book
By Scott Landis" I may have to but this book, the above link is a limited preview but you can see some different horses in it.
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Man, Great ideas guys, makes me want to build another!!
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj302/savannah1221/shavinghorse.jpg)
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Check this one out.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll93/edserdy/00small20038992.jpg
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trad.-ed,
That is a pretty nice one, very long. would support a long stave well.
Have a reference for it?
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hey everyone i havent built it yet but i do have full plans for the veritas shavinghores if anyone is interested
just pm me