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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: goosespirit on January 30, 2008, 02:28:00 PM
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Hi Guys,
Just ordered some of the new Magnus Bullheads from Cabelas, they look awesome. Was wondering if any of you have had experience using the guillotine style broadhead on turkeys with a trad bow. I am shooting a 65 lb DAS Kinetic. I figure if they don't work for turkeys they would be good for wingshooting geese.,
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I think these heads are really cool and am interested in trying them.
But what I don't like about them is the size for transporting purposes. To me they are (close to) unsafe to carry and some of the makeshift quivers are cumbersome at best. I wish they would have had some sort of "take down" ability. I am talking something more like an umbrella where you could lock the blades open (when hunting) or closed (when transporting). Without that the magnus doesn't seem like a big improvement over the guillotine.
Let us know how they fly.
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It is miles above the guillotine. You don't have to use those stupid blade covers to get good arrow flight. They were formed because of a peeing match between guillotine and the Double Bull guys. My understanding is that the Bullhead was primarily designed by Brooks and Keith because they were unsatisfied with the flight characteristics of the Guillotine and thought it could be improved. Brooks used the same design for the head as his hubs in his blind and adjusted the angle of the blades for better flight. I haven't tried them but was told by one of his prostaff that Brooks took the Trad guys need for a BH in mind when designing these. I personally got the guillotine to work at short distances(10-15 yrds)with my 65# BW but was afraid to try them at longer ranges because the arrow was significantly slowed down due to design. I'll be trying some this spring, you can count on that. I've actually been looking forward to it since I learned of them late last spring. Good Luck and I hope this helped.....DAVE
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I'am going to give them a try this spring. I can't wait. The blaid design looks great and I bet they fly good. They sure look like they will put a judo chop on Mr. Gobbles.
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Bet they won't shoot thru a window screen :D Should be devastating on the birds.
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I asked Mike if he could make a few with steel heads so they would end up at 250g...no dice.
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Look ok for head shooting gobblers....but I wouldn't use them for "wingshooting geese".....these are made for head shots. Geese are very tough and unless there hit in the head/neck....you'll be better off with broadheads......
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I'm probablly wrong,but I thought the bullhead came in two sizes one for head shots and one for body shots.
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I think they do come in two sizes. 100's and 125's, but I don't think they were designed for body shots. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see the benefit of shooting a turkey in the body with a head like that. I would stick to head and neck shots with the bullhead.
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I wonder if the Bullhead will carry the lifetime warranty as well? I believe I might have to try these!!!
http://www.magnusbroadheads.com/bullhead.html
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How much are these heads going for? I didn't see a price on the site.
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BMoeller - At cabelas they are about $40 for three. Extra blades are about $20.
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I was told they are designed to be shot w/ right wing fletch out of the box, but you can move the blade for LW fletch. Thats good thinking from the boys at Magnus.
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Bullheads are NOT intended for body shots! Head and Neck only, fellas.
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I just saw their video and wing butt shots were devastating.
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http://www.magnusbroadheads.com/bullhead.html
100 grain for head and body. Do they shoot these through the netting?
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Ned,
They are NOT going to shoot thru any netting. The actual point on them is a pretty dull bullet nose.
When doing some bareshafting last weekend, I found my uncut Beman MFX 340s flew great with 125g heads. I have everything set up with these at 30" for 250g Wensel Woodsman and 260g Snuffers.
So, I ordered a pack of 125g Bullheads and finally got to shoot them this morning...PERFECT!
I am really looking forward to trying these out this year. NOT tracking a turkey has a lot of appeal in my mind. Cross your fingers that I can report back the results starting April 1 in Kansas.
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I've used the guillotine before with good results from my 50# Crow Creek bow but the challenge was transporting them. I looked at the Magnus a couple days ago and they look like an improvement. How are you guys transporting them to and from the field? Last season I carried the guillotines in a tupperware container and assembled them in the blind. I'm amazed that I didn't slice a finger open doing so in the dark!
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I bought a pack on ****. They were set up for RW but are easily adjusted with a small screwdriver. Now that I've switched to RW Rayzer feathers I have to switch them back. But I did test them with my layered foam target as recommended and they were spot on at 15 yards. I have 100 grain inserts and will be testing with and without the added weight just to find the better arrow flight. But so far, so good and according to the web sight they also fall under the Lifetime Warranty. Each pack also comes with 3 spare blades.
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So far, this is my carry system ;) . All 3 are inside with their own layer of foam. Quiet, safe and secure.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/DSC08201.jpg)
I will continue to look for something better :thumbsup:
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i assume when talking about body shots they were talking about the small game they mentioned not the turkeys
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Magnus said they are coming out with an adaptor that should fit on any quiver to carry them. Interested to see. . .
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Looked at them a couple of weeks ago at a Sportsman's Warehouse...very nice looking head. Transporting them would probably be best done in the original packaging in a backpack and setting them up when you get to your spot.
I think the way I'd use them is in addition to my regular points. I think a turkey at around 10 yards should be a higher percentage shot compared to a long shot with a longbow. If I do get some I'm going to keep them in my pack and use them on hunts from my Double Bull, when I have time ahead to assemble them.
Either way they are much more rugged looking product than the Guillotine IMHO.
Josh
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Josh,
The original packaging, to me, seemed pretty flimsy to trust in a pack. I'd hate to slip and land on my back with those encased in a thin blister package.
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Steve's got me real interested in these....hmmmm
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Originally posted by Steve O:
Josh,
The original packaging, to me, seemed pretty flimsy to trust in a pack. I'd hate to slip and land on my back with those encased in a thin blister package.
Could be a very good point, I'd have to take another look a the packaging. I was in a hurry and spotted them on the way out.
Josh
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Packer Creek makes a couple of cases for the gobbler guillotine. I'm sure they should work for the Magnus.
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I spent a while yesterday shooting these and I am very impressed. Despite their wingspan, they are quite tough and fly pretty well. I did notice that they weaken the spine more than a normal broadhead. Shafts that bareshafted perfectly with a 125 grain field point were impacting 4 inches right (weak) at 15 yards. I switched to a lighter bow and they came back to center. That's ok, I was torn between which bow to use so now I have a choice.
I put some thick foam above my Rhinehart hog target to shoot into and one shot went a bit low, skimming the rump of the hog. Huge slice! These things will be devastating anywhere from the base of the neck up. Can't wait to get in the woods with them.
Norb
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Originally posted by Guru:
Steve's got me real interested in these....hmmmm
Curt, you're such a good shot that I can't see why you should have any hesitation to give them a try. You could put away the string tracker. :D
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Norb,
I was shooting them inside at 15 yards into my yellow jacket taget. When those 640g arrows hit, I thought they were going to push the target thru the wall! They are going to pack a WALLOP! Come on April!
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Norb....How do they do for "CUTTIN"?
Are they OFICALLY ENDORSED (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/smileycutesthighfive.gif)
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Vance...do you remember the wood chipper scene from Fargo? :scared: Sumpen like that. Seriously, these things are sharp and pretty darned tough