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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: HumbleHunter on January 27, 2008, 10:24:00 PM
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Hello all! Been a long time since I've been here............feels good LOL.
Just had a couple questions for ya I've been wondering about.
1. Why do you prefer a 4 blade BH over a 2 or 3? I am thinking about using a Magnus 4 blade but am alittle concerned about penetration. Do 4 bladers fly much different? What fletching configuration do you use?
My current set-up is a Damon Howatt Hunter 55lbs at 28". I will also be point loading my GT arrows with a 100 or 125 grn broadhead adapter
and 2. I just have to ask whats up with your hunting hat? never seen anything like it.
Thanks all! HH
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Humble... I'm a little surprised that a ton of people haven't jumped all over this one. I'll bet when I stick my neck out there'll be a bunch with hatchets that come out of the woodwork.
;)
Here's my thoughts on the questions...
1.I just prefer a four blade over a two blade. I'll certainly use a three blade and don't have a problem with a two blade (used them for many years and killed a lot of game with them), but in order of preference it runs the way I listed them.
It's my personal opinion that lots of guys worry/obsess over penetration and for the most part I think it's wasted energy.
Multiblade heads penetrate just fine. Shoot them where they are supposed to go and there'll be no problems. Shoot them where they aren't supposed to go and it becomes a crap shoot... regardless!
There's lots more ways to shoot an animal bad than hitting it in heavy bone.
I'll take a massive "X" through an animals liver or intestines over a "-" any day.
I've also had much more consistent blood trails with multiblade heads and I find that to be very reassuring.
I can practice all summer long with my Magnus I's without the bleeders in and make the switch to having them in without batting an eye. Makes no difference that I can see.
I have prefered 4 fletch 5" parabolics for ages and don't plan on switching anytime soon. They stabilize my big broadheads under any conditions and I'll give up a couple FPS for that stability.
2. That hat is Terry's version of a Ghillie hat. It's...er... unique.
:scared:
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I've killed plenty of game with all types of heads. When razor sharp they are all lethal. I use multiblade heads for the simple reason that they leave better bloodtrails. Penetration has never been a problem. When Fred Bear designed the four blade Razorhead the average bow weight was in the 40's. My wife shoots four blade Phantoms from a 45# recurve and gets two holes every time.
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Unlike most people I change the type/weight of the broadhead used to get specific arrows to fly from different bows with little concern for penetration. Like Charlie and Bill mentioned shot placement and sharpness are by far the most important factors in killing a critter. My broadhead preference in order are the four blade eclipse (155gr), followed by the woodsmen (125gr), then the Grizzly (190).
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I shoot a 4 blade Zwickey and have for a bunch of years, the bleeders are fairly small, but do seem to open a little more of a hole. I think Fred Bear designed the bear razor, where the bleeder would open a larger hole to increase shaft penetration, and made them (bleeder blade) where it would break loose if it did hit bone. I guessFred knew what he was talkin about, but on deer and hogs etc. I havent seen any penetration diffrence between a true 2 blade or one with bleeders..I have never killed a animal with a 3 blade (killed a buttload with 2 blade and 2 blade with bleeders in 35 yrs bowhuntin) just cause I never saw a real need in usin a 3 blade. So I cant tell ya anything about those
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I agree with Charlie, use a sharp BH and put in the right place, that's all that matters.
Alan
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Charlie, which 4 blade do you use?
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I use a steel force 150 grain hellfire screw-in four blade which is actually a two blade with two large bleeders. This eliminate any issues with too much blade contact at the same time. Their cut on impact and razor sharp out of the package.
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Good talk by Monte Browning at Kzoo about BH's. Long story short... Zwicky Delta 4 blade or Bear Razor w/ bleeder or Magnus w/bleeder. Your results may vary, but its hard to argue with success and experience.
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Lewis... I have used the Magnus I w/bleeder since before the beginning. Let me clarify that statement... Fred Asbell was selling a modified Zwickey Delta (modified for bleeder). Fred quit messing with them when Mike Sohm started Magnus.
I started getting them from Mike... who was also modifiying the Delta. Eventually Mike made his own version and the rest is history.
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I have the arrow with a Magnas 4 blade that I watched Charlie take a mullie buck with. Never seen a blood trail like that one.
Yep, Charlie can count me as a convert, I've seen the red :readit: :)
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(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/BloodTrail_e.jpg)
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yeah but did you find it? :p
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yeah, it looks like they are lost. ;)
Very cool pic ! :thumbsup:
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I wouldn't mind putting the bleeders in my Scirocco bheads, but how d y'all get that dinky lil blade sharp? I don't wnat em in there dull...
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Jeff,
That is one of several reasons I like Eclipse with bleeders, the bleeders are pre-sharpened and made of a stainless/non-rusting metal much like the replaceable blades on some broadheads. I touch them up with a hone and they are as sharp enough to shave arm hairs. One other thing with the Eclipse bleeders is I glue them into place with a couple drops of supper glue or they have a tendency to shift slightly to one side when drawn from my quiver. I haven’t found misaligned bleeders to affect the flight of the arrow but don’t want to take a chance.
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Can you use steel BH adaptors with the Magnus 4 blades?? I like the long steel adaptors.
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Charlie, I just bought some 4 blade Deltas because I only saw the Magnus I offered in a two blade. Where are you getting a 4 blade model??
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Lewis, we have 4 blade Mag I's.
http://www.braveheartarchery.us/new_page_3.htm
MG - the only steel adapter you would be able to use with a Magnus 4 blade is the 75 grain medium. The others are too long for Magnus and Eclipse 4 blades. :(
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I have a small stash of the Mohawk Magnum I broad heads. They are wide and are four bladed. Bout all I use for hunting now. They leave an awesome hole on pigs and deer and I would not be afraid to shoot anything with them.
Danny
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Lewis... I use long steel adapters in my Magnus I's.
I just cut a slot in the adapter. Have used a hacksaw, cutoff blade in a Dremel and lately with a metal cutting blade in my band saw.
Pretty easy to do and you don't really sacrifice any strength.
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Anyone using the Magnus Stingers with the bleeder blades? The bleeders are sharp on both sides. They leave a nice hole.Just had to share that with everyone.
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Charlie,
Last time I used a Magnus I with the bleeder (1994) the penetration was not quite what I wanted. But, it did manage to stop the kitty (temporarily) at three yards. I think the total weight of the arrow, 415 grains, might have influenced the results though. One of these days I will take the time to write the details of that hunt and post them. When told in person (usually over a few beverages), it gets a good laugh and few blank stares of disbelief.
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Walt... I'd love to hear that story! Write it down for the Gang, but one day I want to hear it over those beverages.
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Yeah! I am up for a good story. For a long time I had one of Walt's kitty pictures (up in the tree) as my screen saver... :thumbsup:
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Dave, I'm using the Stinger 150 grain 4-blade. I've gotten very good performance using the 125 grain 4-blades and just retuned my arrows for the 150s for a little better FOC. Stingers fly beautifully, are easy to keep scalpel sharp and have a lifetime guarantee.
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Okay,
I wrote a condensed version of the story this morning and will post it under the title of "Unicorn Kitty".
Steve, I p.m. you a copy.
Charlie, Anytime, and the beverages are on me.
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I'd like to be around that campfire when Walt and Charlie are telling tales. I'd be happy to provide the beverages. With that said I have had good success through the years with the old Bear Razorheads, with bleeder blades, the Magnus 125 two blade and the three blade Thunderhead 125 (compound days).I've gotten complete pass throughs with all of the above on deer, turkeys and hogs, when I did my job and put the arrow where it counts. In 2008 I will be hunting with the Muzzy Phantom 125 four blade. No reason other than I just want to give them a try. :campfire: :archer:
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WOW, I think I'm sold on bleeders!!!!! Thanks guys, I appreciate the info. I plan on using a really high FOC at around 20% so, all in all, with the extra weight I think penetration will be fine. I also just today got 5" parabolic feathers to keep it steady. I have only used magnus BH's since I went Trad and I really like the lifetime replacement idea.
Thanks to all and don't hesitate to keep posting!!!!
Have a good one, HH
P.S. I think I have officially changed to a Longbow man! Buddy of mine (The Vanilla Gorilla) has let me borrow one of his reflex deflex and I am digging it!!!! Gonna have to get me one asap.....
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Been out of town for a week....
What Charlie said. ;)
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but How would you guys feel about usin a heavy multi bladed muzzy, you know with the trocar tip?
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Why would you want to use a punch-through trocar tip when there are so many really good cuton contact heads available??? Everyone knows cut on contact is far better for penetration.
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Mark Land has taken many animals with a Trocar tip Muzzy. Including Bear, Deer, Hogs and I believe Elk. Thats with a recurve and I dont think he shoots more than 55# but I could be wrong about that.
He says he sharpens the trocar tip and its a great head.
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I use cut on contact heads, but if all I had was a Muzzy to use, I wouldnt feel at a disadvantage. I used to shoot them when I shot with wheels and they are great heads. Probably one of the toughest heads made in my opinion.
It is true that you can sharpen the Trocar tips to improve penetration. They dont quite equal a true cut on contact for piercing ability, but they will cut.
BP