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Title: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: SOS on January 18, 2008, 09:10:00 PM
Anyone try grinding feathers with a jig similar to using a drum sander but using a router table instead?  Seems like that could be very accurate and smooth.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Tom Leemans on January 19, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
That would be way too fast IMO. Do more burning than sanding. Don't even think about using some kind of cutting bit!
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Hog Wild on January 19, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
Not with out a Router Speed Control like they sell at Habor frieght!!! And like Tom said don't even think of a cutting bit......
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 19, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
Been using a router set up for years to process turkey feathers. No problems!

I use a rotary file for the cutting head.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Kid on January 19, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
Of course it would work. The only problem would be holding the feather tightly enough and setting up your cutting template with the right spacing. I've experimented with it a little, but didn't have a clamp to hold the feather well enough.  A spiral cutter with a template bearing will work fine.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: SOS on January 19, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
Actually, I rigged up a setup this afternoon and it does great...almost.  Like Kid said, hard to clamp the feather tight enough.  The high vibration and the cutting can pull the feather out of the clamp.  Have to work on the that.  Otherwise, seems to work well - no burning for sure.  Charlie, you have a photo of your rig?

Steve
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: todd smith on January 19, 2008, 06:18:00 PM
Care to share any details of your set-up Charlie?

todd
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 19, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
Todd... I'll hunt down the photos I have of my set up tomorrow and try to get them posted. It's a pretty simple outfit.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: SOS on January 19, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
Thanks, Charlie.  Please include any info on your clamp to keep the power of the router from pulling the feather out.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 22, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
This took a while, but here are pics of my feather grinding set up....

Here's a feather held in the wooden grinding jig I made. I don't have any clamps on this jig however, a toggle clamp at either end would make it more positive in the way it holds the feather.

Hand pressure at either end seems to get the job done for me.
  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Ckfeatherjigclosed.jpg)

The jaws are curved to mimic the natural curve of the feather which I think helps hold the feather more securely.
I also line the clamping jig with soft material... in this case heavy canvas... to aid holding.
Course sandpaper or thin rubber could also be used.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 22, 2008, 10:11:00 PM
Here's the clamping jig in the open position.
 (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/Ckopenfeatherjig.jpg)
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 22, 2008, 10:15:00 PM
This is the cutting bit that I use. It's called a rotary file and has bearings above and below... they aren't really needed.
  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/CkRotaryfile.jpg)

  (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/CKrouterrotaryfile.jpg)

Note the tapered edge of the fence and cut out for the bit. I can adjust the fence for controlling thickness of the grind.

There's no burning with this bit, however the rib of the feather needs to be split fairly thin to expedite the process.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 22, 2008, 10:18:00 PM
How everything lines up.
 (http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/CkGrindfeather.jpg)

The first pass is into the turning bit... slow and steady does it. I make a quick return pass to clean the grind and it's done.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 22, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
I built a jig for doing the side grind, but I prefer to just use a long pair of very sharp scissors for trimming the side.

I highly recommend using a dust mask when grinding feathers. It's pretty nasty stuff.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 23, 2008, 07:22:00 PM
To the top for Stephen and Todd.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: SOS on January 23, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
Definite food for thought for the jig.  Did you make the "mini" table for the router as well?
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: D. Johnston on January 23, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
Hey Charlie, where did you find that bit? I've never seen one like it. Nice simple ideas there. Thanks, David
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 23, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
Yep, made the mini table as well. A good friend gave me the bit, but you can get ones without bearings at machinist supply places.
I've got a new one that I want to make a shaft turning jig with.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: D. Johnston on January 23, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
Charlie, I have been a woodworker for a long time and have never seen a bit like that in any catlog. I just spent the better part of an hour looking around on line and can't find anything close to that. Is that made for metal work? Can you give me a shove in the right direction. I can see several applications for a bit like that in my shop. But where can I find one? Any clues, hints, brand names, stores, suppliers, anything? Thanks, David
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Jeremy on January 24, 2008, 07:52:00 AM
Hmmm, never seen a bit that big.  Looks just like a rotary burr on steroids!
I wonder if a rotary shaper (the microplane type) would work.  Thost can be picked up lots of places.
Love the mini-table Charlie!     :thumbsup:   He's right about the dust mask, but I'd also recommend to grind outside. I stopped grinding my own feathers - the dust was giving me lots of problems, even wearing a dust mask.  I was grinding in the garage with Both doors wide open - the little bit of time I'd have the mask off and kicking up the residual dust after the fact was bad enough!
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: D. Johnston on January 24, 2008, 10:17:00 AM
Jeremy, The biggest bit I have been able to find was a rotary burr that was only one inch long.(cutterhead) That would probably work fine for grinding feathers with the addition of a bearing to index a flush cut, but I have other uses in mind. A larger bit like the one Charlie is using would be perfect for what I have in mind.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Charlie Lamb on January 24, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
Guys! Like I said, a machinist friend gave me that bit dang near 20 years ago and I don't have a clue what it is or that it could be so hard to locate.

If a machinist supply place can't help I don't know what to tell ya.

Trying right now to remember the name of the big mail order machinist supply catalog we used to use when I worked in that biz.... but that escapes me too.

Poop!!!
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: Jeremy on January 24, 2008, 05:29:00 PM
McMaster-Carr has a 1" diameter with 1" cut length.
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: OconeeDan on January 24, 2008, 05:36:00 PM
This may work.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1291688
Title: Re: feather grinding on router table?
Post by: D. Johnston on January 24, 2008, 11:28:00 PM
Charlie, how tall is the cutter head on that bit? (Length between the bearings) I'm guessing it's close to 1 1/2" by the looks of it.

A shop vac will take care of the dust problem. Just set it up so that the hose plugs into a small hood around the backside of the bit.

I have emailed that picture of the bit to several woodworker friends and nobody has ever seen anything like it.

The quest continues...