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Main Boards => Hunting Legislation & Policies => Topic started by: DK on February 26, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
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Alert!!! Please be aware my fellow archers but awhile back Gene and Barry Wensel agreed to boycott a trade show because a certain manufacturer went against support of our gun rights... It looks as though mr president executive order is at it again to ban Ar-15 bullets! Just to let you guys know I don't use guns much only for home defense but are our arrows next .... Moderators I will understand if you pull my post but I am first an American ... And I just hope to keep us aware and let my brethren know what is now coming down the trail to attack our heritage ... And way of life not to mention the FCC Internet takeover which will effect thus sure possibly! God Bless and we must fight for our Freedom!
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Like I have said before on here, when the line in the sand is drawn with the tip of a longbow, they will want that too. Bill Gates proudly states that vaccinations in Africa are achieving great strides in population controls, think about that one. The CFR wants an 85% world population reduction, any volunteers? Many influences want to fractionalize society, from guns to hunting to vaccines, you name it, smaller groups are more voiceless and easier to control. Considering that, I have not seen very many gun lobbys all that worried about bowhunting rights, we need to work on that.
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I think your comments are very relevant to our bowhunting rights and liberties in general. God, I long for the America I grew up in during the 50's!
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It's just so unsettling to what's going on in our country today!!! i turn 50 in May... I to wish it was like in the 50's 60's... To think that someone or a group of people would dare do this is more real than ever before....like the PETA tree hungers.... We just need to stay aware ... And stick together brothers!!! God Bless
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Just copied this from Fox news web site.....
It’s starting.
As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.
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As a veteran who served to protect our rights and freedoms it just sickens me.
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Well it's not all AR-15 ammo they are trying to ban. It's 5.56 M8555 NATO ammo armor piercing rounds. Some of it is armor piercing and some M8555 is not armor piercing, so they are trying to kill two birds with one stone. You can bet him and his cronies will have tons of it.
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A while back it was released that millions of tax dollars was spent buying loaded AK 47 clips. No branch of the military uses those that I know of. Where did they go?
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Sorry, but I don't see where this topic is archery-related so...why come here with it? :dunno:
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Originally posted by TSP:
Sorry, but I don't see where this topic is archery-related so...why come here with it? :dunno:
Exactly.... Well said
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Because this subject is important to all freedom loving Americans, that is why he came here with it. The Moderators, sometime back, had the forethought to allow a subject this hand in glove to this topic to be made known to the members of Tradgang, the proposed ban of the AR15 rifle platform. I, for one, thank them for that allowance.
The Moderators are very good at patrolling these boards to remove any non archery related subjects from intruding into this wonderful forum. And it will be their call if they allow this thread to continue. Yet, from their prior concern for our rights as Americans, I would not be surprised if they do comment on this subject that does affect archers and sportsmen across this land.
Thank you,
Christopher Owens
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It's like boiling a frog. You put the frog in cold water and then turn on the heat. The frog will just sit there and die. Military ammo .223. We archers don't UAE that so why care. But so is .308, 30.06, .300 win mag, 9mm, .45, .357, .38.. I think we have to care. For a few hindered year long bows were weapons of war.
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We need personal freedoms to be traditional bow hunters, without fighting for them we are nothing more than blind sheep destined to be nothing more than blind slaves.
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This is purely an opinions thread. No identifiable bill or law has been posted about. No plan of action such as call your State Rep. Congressman or Senator. No join this organization or boycott this group. Just talking and sorry if this offends but I dont come to Tradgang for talking. I come the vast knowledge about traditional archery and the sharing of traditional bow hunting thru story and photography.
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Originally posted by pavan:
We need personal freedoms to be traditional bow hunters, without fighting for them we are nothing more than blind sheep destined to be nothing more than blind slaves.
EXACTLY It matters to all americans regardless of race or creed. Freedom is not free and the current administration is trying to strip our rights one item at a time.
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There is no bill that is going to happen with an executive order like this, it is called tyranny. It is patriotic that we demand that politicians uphold the constitution and not allow special interests to throw it away or rewrite it to suit their desires.
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Originally posted by SheltonCreeker:
This is purely an opinions thread. No identifiable bill or law has been posted about.
It's being done by executive action-what a surprise.
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SheltonCreeker,
Your comment, "No plan of action such as call your State Rep. Congressman or Senator." is not correct. The BATFE has proposed this, not as legislation but as bureaucracy. We Americans have until March 16th to voice our opinion on this subject to the administration, our Congressmen and the BATFE. I have done just that and hope many more of my fellow archers will, too.
There are plenty of organizations that will assist you in making your voice heard. A quick search on the net can take you to the proper links very timely.
Again, thank you for your time,
Christopher Owens
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I have made calls with one message, the time for impeachment is NOW.
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Christopher,
Thanks for posting a plan of action. Happy to join the fight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiqhyW_FO0Q
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I find this post very appealing.
We all discuss politics and current events at hunting camp. Why not here?
I'm still in my 20's. I hope many years from now I can take my grandchildren hunting as my grandfather took me.
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Thanks for posting this. I was not aware of this until your post. I will be researching this and fighting any way I can. Just made my last payment for my lifetime NRA membership.
So tired of all the anti gun stuff, anti hunting stuff, etc. Just imagine what could be done if all the anti this or that was directed to planting food, fighting poverty, support for wounded, programs for children, etc.
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Gents,
I posted this thread because I love this site.. & my country!!! I come hear as well to hear about archery related topics foremost! If I have offended anyone I certainly apologize but our country seems to be at war on our heritage & personal freedoms... Our gun rights and our internet freedom as well with this new FCC net neutrality government regulation of the are at stake...that actually passed today I do believe ... Which if we are not made aware it will affect the freedom to come here and surf the net at free will.... It won't be the same if our government takes over the Internet .....that being said I don't post on these subjects normally if at all because its just come out ... I just wanted to make you all aware ... And at some point we are going to have to take a stand and fight for our rights ..... Just be aware and know what we are in for! We have many veterans on this site and I salute your service to this country!!! I am just bringing this issue to your attention .... If the government are allowed to ban bullets, control our Internet .... What's next? Our longbows, recurves .... Our hunting rights? Again, I am sorry if I offended anyone, but the affordable care act was passed on a bunch of lies ... Just be aware! Once its done ... its done! its very hard to unravel!
God Bless
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Fox news. That's an oxymoron. Nothing like crying fire in a crowded theatre. Not to worry, the NRA will save us. That is if it can take some time away from its efforts to legalize crossbows in every state in the nation.
Don't know many folks who hunt with a 5.56. It's not a threat to hunting rights. We have thousands of other calibers to choose from. Regardless this isn't trad bowhunting related.
Why is it you want to pay big conglomerates more money to use the internet, or perhaps have them tell you you can't use it at all. The net neutrality ruling protects the little guy. Likewise with the Affordable Care Act. Government does that. Looks out for the folks who can't or don't know how to take care of themselves. Maybe you would like to take on AT&T and Verizon and the big health insurance companies on your own. I'm astounded. This isn't traditional bowhunting related either.
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Originally posted by TSP:
Sorry, but I don't see where this topic is archery-related so...why come here with it? [dunno]
I think if you are going to throw this thread topic out there onto a Traditional Archery site you should at least site your source.
I'm here in MT and have my rifles too.
Disappointed that this is still a thread.
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Same here. Tell me again how you use steel core .223 ammo for hunting. I for one am sick and tired of the steel gongs being shot up at our little gun club. I'm a life member of NRA too, but we need to pick our fights. I won't back this one.
Lets turn this back into a trad archery site.
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Let it all go down. Honestly. All you hear,and see is fear breeding,and negative consumption. Our freedoms are frayed. Good men died for those. It does not matter in a lot of ways. Veterans are not treated fair,and liberal media has the pulse of the masses anymore. Let it all go down. I've got a bunch of beans. I can hole up for a long,long time. I know you boys can to. I buy ammo any time I see it for the guns I own. The United Nations Building has a revolver statue in front of it with the barrel tied in a knot. Fact. Just be ready. Something bad,and unprecedented could happen these days. You should have a plan for yourself,and family. rat'
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Moderators: please pull this thread. Way too much opinion and politics and not enough about archery. The positivity between bowhunters is eroding.
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Astounded? Yes, all those that died whipping the British so we could live under our OWN constitution, and NOT the stroke of a pen from a so called king.
What do I have to say????
Bhaaa, Bhaaa, follow your king and his henchmen and henchwomen off a cliff.
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DK, it's a shame you even feel the need to apologize. Brother, that's the way you feel and nothing wrong with that. We do all need to stick together whether you shoot a Black Widow or a Black Rifle. They get the m855, then they go after another one. Of course, this is only my opinion but I did serve and fight for my country and am an NRA Life member.
P.S. I like the thread!
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Fox New and The Blaze = NY Strips and T-Bones.
All other news media = tofu, rice cakes and jello.
Don't believe me? How come what Fox and Blaze keep predicting actually come true?
While other media outlets want you to believe we are living a Shakespeare play, 'Much Ado about Nothing' !!!
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The 2nd amendment was not written to protect our ability to hunt. It was written so we the citizens could protect ourselves if our government should fail or turn against us.
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Anyone who claims to be a supporter of our right to keep and bear arms, but says he wasn't aware of this isn't much of a supporter. The NRA, NSSF (National Shooting Sports Federation), major ammo retailers and every conservative form of media have all been screaming about this for quite a while. This just is not the forum. It's like reading truck evaluations in a gun magazine. That's not why I subscribe.
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Originally posted by Krex1010:
The 2nd amendment was not written to protect our ability to hunt. It was written so we the citizens could protect ourselves if our government should fail or turn against us.
So why are they banning arms and ammo to protect ourselves against our own government? That is even scarier!!!! Wake UP!
What caliber won the west? Same caliber that's killed more big game than any other.
Again, WAKE UP!!!
BHAAAAA!!!!
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WOW...
:smileystooges:
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It's all in the Bible. I rest in my faith, I know HE has complete control of all things. Our country is destined to fall. As are all others. It's part of HIS unique plan. Read Revelations and then you will have a true understanding of what is about to happen to this world. In the mean time, I have a recurve and some arrows that need to be tuned to perfection.
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Originally posted by charles m:
Originally posted by Krex1010:
The 2nd amendment was not written to protect our ability to hunt. It was written so we the citizens could protect ourselves if our government should fail or turn against us.
So why are they banning arms and ammo to protect ourselves against our own government? That is even scarier!!!! Wake UP!
What caliber won the west? Same caliber that's killed more big game than any other.
Again, WAKE UP!!!
BHAAAAA!!!! [/b]
I'm against any gun/ammo ban. What's next? .308? 30-06? .223? 30-40 krag? Fast flight strings? The fact that our president would use executive order to so blatantly sidestep the Bill of Rights should scare the quivers off every member here. My point was that people shrug off a ban like this because "there's plenty of other legal bullets to hunt with" and to me the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting. Today it's .556, in 50 years flintlocks could be illegal
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Originally posted by Sam McMichael:
I think your comments are very relevant to our bowhunting rights and liberties in general. God, I long for the America I grew up in during the 50's!
+1......Amen Brother!
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The following is posted at the top of [the PowWow forum where this thread was originally started.] Apparently some of you haven't read it or have chosen willfully to ignore it. I suggest you read this quickly now while you still can before I alert the moderators to this thread's existence. Once that happens, you'll have to expend all that physical effort clicking your way through to *** OFF TOPIC info *** - and newbie info (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=082053) in order to GET THE MESSAGE:
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I hunt coyotes and other varmints with a 5.56. Albeit not with armor piercing bullets. The government only needs to fear that ammo, if they were to do something to warrant the use of it against them. In the mean time, don't take away my ability to protect my family and my God given rights from threats, both foreign and domestic. Don't tread on me.
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This doesn't surprise me at all. The president has blatantly ignored the constitution for the last 6 years.
Actually it's been going on for years. We need not think our rights are secured as far as any kind of hunting goes.
Yep, different world that's escalated toward progressive liberal agendas. 1918 till the present, like a snowball rolling down hill.
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Members that don't like this thread should just bypass it and scroll on down to another thread. It's not hurting you if you don't stop to read it. No one made you click on it.
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I too am sorry that this thread is here BUT This does concern us trad hunters
Look at the price of arrows and feathers, you can thank our government for that.
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I am not about to let this pass. The alternative is a descent into the crap that pollutes so many other hunting forums.
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eidsvolling it's not up to you. If people have an opinion,they should be allowed to voice it. This topic has found the correct place to be now that it has been moved by the TradGang powers that be. Not you. Contribute to this forum if you want to hold stake in the matters of things. rat'
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X10 what riverrat 2 has to say. I just hope the nay sayers dont complain when things go south! !!!!!
doug77
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Bows and arrows, guns and ammo, hunting and fishing.
Bottom line is that they are all considered the same evil to the liberals in power in Washington and in certain states. We must hang together or certainly we will hang separately.
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I have been just a little surprised that some don't feel this thread is related to archery. When the government and other activist groups make sufficient headway in restricting firearms, does anybody really think their incursion into our personal rights will stop? No, we archers are on their hit list, they just haven't gotten around to us yet, unless, of course, you consider the restrictions on hunting that have been implemented in various areas.
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I understand those that want to maintain their identity as traditional archers only, and feel this thread doesn't belong......BUT traditional archery is a shooting sport and there are a lot of people who are against all hunting and shooting! They will chip away, one little piece at a time. After each success they will look for more, eventually they will get to issues that affect traditional archery.....don't think so? Aren't thee already states that restrict shipping on knives? Air guns? Think a ban on shipping anything classed as a "weapon" is far fetched? Maybe today.....but what about tomorrow? These "armor piercing" rounds that are being banned weren't even considered armor piercing until recently and by some definitions they still do not fall into the armor piercing category. And how many crimes are committed with the ammo being banned? My guess is hardly any! My point is there are times we need to address things beyond our interests for the greater good, and I believe this is one of those times. Every battle against the shooting sports should be fought by everyone because win or lose, there will be another battle shortly.
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Posted at the top of THIS forum (Hunting Legislation & Policies) is the following:
"3)While we strive to maintain Traditional cast to this forum, some topics impact hunting in general and some leeway will be allowed. But no gun specific threads."
I'm having a very hard time understanding why some moderator saw fit to keep this thread alive by moving it here. I'll be voting with my feet if this thread isn't deleted entirely within the next several hours.
I have had it up to here with the sentiments expressed in this thread (which are so typical of the rants on other hunting forums), and I never imagined they would survive moderator scrutiny this long here.
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What does 'voting with my feet mean'?
Are you with George or the so called king?
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Originally posted by eidsvolling:
I'm having a very hard time understanding why some moderator saw fit to keep this thread alive by moving it here. I'll be voting with my feet if this thread isn't deleted entirely within the next several hours.
I have had it up to here with the sentiments expressed in this thread (which are so typical of the rants on other hunting forums), and I never imagined they would survive moderator scrutiny this long here.
And just why do you think you can demand that a thread be removed that has attracted a lot of interest and been checked by the moderator and moved to this proper forum? If you have had it with this thread, just don't open it any more. How hard would that be? :dunno: Maybe there is a reason that folks on other hunting forums are upset about such incursions on our freedoms and wish to speak out. Please do yourself a favor and read other posts.
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God bless the moderators that understand "Hunting topics and Legislation threads" are threads in which...ONE SWORD SHARPENS THE OTHER. DEBATE IS HEALTHY. making things "go away" for 1 person when thousands others may wish to read opinion of said thread is not the way of a free society. Communist maybe. Other hunting forums? would'nt know. I only support this forum. I guess I'm just narrow minded. Thats ok though..I like me. rat'
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Originally posted by eidsvolling:
Posted at the top of THIS forum (Hunting Legislation & Policies) is the following:
"3)While we strive to maintain Traditional cast to this forum, some topics impact hunting in general and some leeway will be allowed. But no gun specific threads."
I'm having a very hard time understanding why some moderator saw fit to keep this thread alive by moving it here. I'll be voting with my feet if this thread isn't deleted entirely within the next several hours.
I have had it up to here with the sentiments expressed in this thread (which are so typical of the rants on other hunting forums), and I never imagined they would survive moderator scrutiny this long here.
When the mods refer to "gun specific threads" I assume that they mean a certain type of gun or brand.
Please click on the link below to read what moderator Mr. Rob says about this and similar topics. Or, scroll on down a bit in this very forum and read it there. You will see that he is very much pro-gun and believes that sometimes these topics are allowed because of the importance of the Second Amendment and the importance of defending it by all sportsmen, even trad archers.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=93;t=000562
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From the User Agreement Review (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=agree_review) :
"A. Please treat everyone with the same respect and courtesy you expect from others, no matter how difficult that may be. There will be no flaming, hate, politics, religion, sex, sports or drug discussions here. There will be NO discussion or multi-media of non-trad archery hunting weapons such as guns, compound bows, spears, atlatls, throwing knives or hawks, etc."
How amusing to see that so many of you are willing to disregard the rules we agreed to when it suits your particular political agenda.
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I have to ask yet again eidsvolling, are you with George Washington or the so called 'king' and the henchmites?
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Originally posted by eidsvolling:
From the User Agreement Review (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=agree_review) :
"A. Please treat everyone with the same respect and courtesy you expect from others, no matter how difficult that may be. There will be no flaming, hate, politics, religion, sex, sports or drug discussions here. There will be NO discussion or multi-media of non-trad archery hunting weapons such as guns, compound bows, spears, atlatls, throwing knives or hawks, etc."
How amusing to see that so many of you are willing to disregard the rules we agreed to when it suits your particular political agenda.
If you are against threads such as this........why are you posting in it?
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Also, why are there no answers to the questions?
Typical of BHAAAA!!!
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Originally posted by eidsvolling:
From the User Agreement Review (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=agree_review) :.......How amusing to see that so many of you are willing to disregard the rules we agreed to when it suits your particular political agenda......
How amusing it is to try to make you see that you don't make the decisions here, the mods do.
Did you not click on the link I supplied for you to read from Mr. Rob, one of the mods???