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Title: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Green Mountain Boy on January 15, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
Vermont Fish and Wildlife is considering pausing our October archery season and inserting a four day muzzleloader hunt and then returning to bow only for the remainder of the season. Do any of you have similar broken seasons and how does it effect your hunt? If they do this they are promising to open four days earlier. It is unclear to me if bows would be allowed in the woods during the four day muzzleloader season (they are during our rifle season).
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: vermonster13 on January 15, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
The 4 day muzzleloader will be now bows. The meetings were last week.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Green Mountain Boy on January 15, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
I know the meetings were last week, but have they made any decisions yet? I asked around the fish and wildlife section of th yankee sportsmans classic today and no one seemed to know much.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: adkarcher on January 16, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
They tried to do this in NY a few years ago.  We were able to stop the foolishness and defeat the proposal.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: owlbait on January 16, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Michigan's season is totally broken and interrupted. Extra firearm doe hunts have been inserted both early and late.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Mojostick on January 16, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
The best way for us bowhunters to stop special firearms seasons from popping up is for us all to kill more antlerless deer.

It's longterm deer population problems typically behind all these proposed changes.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Redeye on January 16, 2011, 10:24:00 AM
There are no early antlerless seasons during the Michigan archery season.

The early antlerless season is held before the regular archery season.  The season was proposed to be held mid October but through the efforts of many organizations and individuals we were able to keep the early antlerless season out of the archery season.

Mojo is correct, if we wish to avoid some of these conflicts bowhunters need to concentrate on killing more does.  After all in Michigan we have the option of taking antlerless on any tag during the archery season in addition to the multitude of antlerless tags available in most of the state.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: JCJ on January 17, 2011, 06:52:00 AM
"Do any of you have similar broken seasons and how does it effect your hunt?"

In MN we have had/have depending on the deer permit area, a two day early antlerless season and now have a four day youth season in October. To date, it has had no measurable negative impact on bowhunting participation or annual harvest.

We sell 100,000 archery licenses. Archery success rate is 20%. In 2010 archery hunters killed 20,000 deer. There are about 450,000 firearms deer hunters. In 2010 they killed 180,000 deer and had a success rate of around 40%.

At least in our state, for a game manager tasked with  reduction in overall deer numbers, the decision on how to go about doing so in the most effective manner is pretty clear.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Green Mountain Boy on January 23, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
Broken season was voted down last week by our Fish and wildlife board.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: Huntschool on January 30, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
Illinois archery season stops for three days in Nov and then four days in Dec.  The first three days are right before Thanksgiving so ya know what that means.  We are in rut and the buck are goin crazy.  Once that one is over its tough but not impossible.  The second gun season seems to have less impact but still spooks the deer....

We have lived with this for some time now.  Seems to work but then our archery season runs til Jan 15th or so.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: vtmtnman on January 30, 2011, 06:52:00 PM
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Originally posted by adkarcher:
They tried to do this in NY a few years ago.  We were able to stop the foolishness and defeat the proposal.
And thankfully we defeated this idiocy as well.Now they need to get on the ball and give us a season that actully goes over the rut,not ending before prerut comes in.That's 1950's gun hunter"Can't spook the deer before the "real" hunters get in the woods" mentality and that needs to change.This was a huge slap in the face to VT hunters.   "[dntthnk]"

I get pretty fired up about this topic because it's not any sort of fair.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: adkarcher on February 25, 2011, 09:08:00 AM
I just read that in our Outdoor News paper, glad you guys defeated it.  Every time our DEC wants to make changes, they want to chip away at the bow season.  Our gun season is quite long compared to most states, but they want all of the early muzzleloader and youth weekends in archery season instead of the gun season, go figure.

Adkarcher
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: mathisde2^ on February 25, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
We have a broken season in Md and it is an impact. The single shot rifles they try to pass as muzzle loaders bring them out in droves. I won't print the number of deer they kill during these seasons because it is so depressing, but my taxidermist is real busy immediately afterward. If they were restricted to real muzzle loaders, it would be fine.
Title: Re: Broken Season In Vermont
Post by: mochasam on April 14, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Now if we could get vermont to cut some national forest are 2 deer per square mile might have some food lol