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Main Boards => Hunting Legislation & Policies => Topic started by: vermonster13 on August 26, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
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"Open Season" a film soon to be at a theater near you starring Martin Lawrence and Ashton Kutcher is about a Bear and Mule deer who enlist an army of forest animals in a battle against hunters who are portrayed as inbred, redneck, mullet-haired drunks. Is the image we want our children and others to have of hunters? Hollywood has historically been to the left and opposed to hunting. This film is just another move on their part to portray hunters as heels and animals as humanized heroes. Do you know what your kids are watching?
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I know! hollywood is full of vegie eating liberals and idiots. Bambi came out when I was a youngster and I watched it a million times. today I shoot bambi's dad and mom so maybe there is still hope :archer:
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Thing is when we were kids we weren't pummeled with images that made hunters look like fools on television as much also. When was the last time on a mainstream TV show that you saw a hunter portrayed in a good light or even in a movie? Newspaper? Magazine?
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Some links for those who think it is just nothing.
http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews.../05/33277.html
http://www.hsus.org/about_us/hsus_hollywood_office/
The ARA's have a huge Hollywood presence
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I'm glad this was posted because I have the same concerns. Open Season, Bambi, and Brother Bear are so anti hunting that it sickens me. It is sad that the human race is pulling away from the natural instinct that God has given us: the ability to hunt.
It's o.k. for these Hollywood Nazi's to eat something that was killed by another person whom they have never seen. Or eat an animal that was penned up with hundreds of others and walking through knee deep manure.Yummy! Worse yet are those PETA nuts who are vegatarians and think the animals are their friends. Now in saying that I have the utmost respect for all animals, but I will not share my picnic basket with Yogi!
Without hunting we would have an overpopulation of starving animals. Hollywood would rather a child watch something like Broke Back Mountain, instead of partaking in what God intended us to do. Why the heck do you think he gave us those two pointy canines. Certainly not for cleaning the crud from beneath our fingernails!
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It is sad, but true, that for those people who have been, "sitting on the fence" on hunting, will eventually be convinced that the images the media presents as authentic, will be the ones that prevail. I think we as a community must be educators and role models, everyday! We may be the ONLY book on conservation that some people will ever read.
PEACE,
Frank
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It seems that hunters are one of a few groups of people that there is open season on in Hollywood. None of the many librals across our country even raise an eyebrow when we are portrayed as fools and drunken murderers of defenceless animals. Please excuse me if i sound racist with the following remarks, i assure I'm not I'm just stating what i believe to be fact. If a movie were made portraying blacks as dumb mindless drones or worse all hell would break lose including riots and looting. I could go on and on about gays and any other races religion or group of people. I hope that someday just such a movie is made i want to see the reaction then. The problem is that a movie with drunken hunters etc. will be hyped up even if it stinks. And many people will see it and belive it.
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On the HSUS link you provided I went to the story about Genesis Award winners....and saw, guess who? PRINCE
Prince is an animal rights activist.
Hmmmm
Last week on the Outdoor Channel I saw four separate advertisements for a collection of Prince's greatest hits...on the freakin' OUTDOOR CHANNEL. Now that's funny right there!
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I agree, it is sickening. Popular media is killing hunting faster than legislation. The first is a flash flood, the second is a glacier. Some old timers (which is scary, because it's only the old timers) on a blackpowder board I read say that a large reason they ever started hunting, especially with blackpowder, is because of movies and tv shows about Davey Crockett or mountainmen in general.
These days, is it that pro-hunting popular shows just don't sell? Can mountainmen be popular again? At least with laws we can lobby and sue, etc. How do we influence the media?
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Don't spend your dollars on films by studios or with actors who support anti-hunting. Buy newspapers that are objective, watch news and television programs that are supportive of our lifestyle. Without $$$ these kind of folks go away. An awards program developed by hunters that recognize those who work to further our cause would be a big boon also. A lot of these Hollywood types do what they do for publicity and popularity, so they can sell more tickets.
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I lived for many years with a woman who was totally against Hunting. She even mentioned joining PETA once. Those people are Crazy. I was a hunter before I was with her. And I am a Hunter now.
I can't count the amount of times I have been accused "You Kill Bambi". All I tell them is "Bambi is a fictional Disney Character". I have even watched Bambi with my daughter and my niece and explained to them all the discrepencies in the movie.
I agree with promoting Programs the show Hunting for what it is. A good clean way of life that teaches about nature and promotes good family values. A family that Hunts together, Stays Together. But where do you draw the line with the Bean Counters between proper family values and Crap like World Hunt. IMHO.. turn off the TV and take your kids outdoors... show them the REAL wilderness... Not some Movie or "Reality TV"
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I saw the promo for this movie and thought "another Disney movie that make hunters look like fools". When I am told that "I kill Bambi" I always say yes I do because Bambi tastes good and was never shot full of growth hormone !!! LOL
John III
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I will let my girls watch it, I watched GI JOE when I was growing up every morning before school and the "Experts" said that this would make me violent. I am willing to bet you anything in the world if you ask my girls after they watch this film, they will still tell you that they want to hunt with there Daddy when I are big enough(kids do not speak to well english sometimes)And besides, Martin Lawerance as a bear, that has to be funny. And thanks for moving this topic while I was still typing Azstickman.
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Chris what you need to realize is that your children are exposed to hunting and it's values, 95% of the children out there aren't. What they see on TV and in movies is what they will base their "reality" of hunting on. These movies breed anti's from nonhunters, plain and simple. If we watch/buy/rent them, we help finance the creation of them.
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AS long as they are funny, heck I do not care. There are more hunters now than there has ever been, and more deer than there has ever been, a few cartoon movies is not going to move the country to stop hunting. I am a realist and I am sure that this movies is made as Fiction movie that is funny. You can read things that are going to say they are against hunting, and you will also probably find article that some of the same people are for hunting it is just whos stuff you read.
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Hunter numbers, especially population percentage wise, have been dropping steadily for the last 20 years. 2004 had .4% gain in license sales nationally, first gain in a decade.
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Chris K,
I'm sorry but you haven't thought this through very well if your posts reflect your true attitude.
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I do not know why you would say that, numbers in my state and neighboring states are on the incline. Movie companies are just like any big corps. they have there money everywhere. You are going to give money to the anti's and the pro hunters, the keep it 50-50 so they can be on both sides. So if it is funny which it looks very funny and my girls and wife want to watch this fiction cartoon, I would not have any problem going and watching it.
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I remember seeing a promo for it,quite some time ago,On peta's website.
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This year Indiana sold 303,217 licenses compared to 291,876 in 1988. Population was 5,544,159 then 6,215,296 now. License sales have increased 4% while population has increased 11%. But the license sales include out of state license buyers also.
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The only exposure to hunting a majority of people have are the shows on the outdoor channel.. That scares me too but you never hear any concern voiced from hunters and I'd be willing to wager
it's doing more damage to our image than anything else.
Chris
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This year is not up yet either vermonster, the majority of ours are sold in Nov. the week before fireamrms season up till around mid Feb. where our licenses would expire. And a great majority of the new comers were proubably not hunters either.
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should be firearms season not firemarms season. Doubting that it was because of a cartoon.
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Chris,
I must say, in all due respect, that your apathy around this movie is concerning to me. As Vermonster has pointed out with data in so many of his thoughtful posts in this forum there is a real threat. I don't expect everyone to actively fight the good fight like Vermonster is doing, but we can do our parts. I have two young daughters that would probably enjoy this movie too and it wouldn't turn them into antis, but there are a lot of other movies out there that are every bit as funny, cool, neat, etc that will result in the same net enjoyment for the girls . . . . and these other movies don't directly fly in the face of the values that I would like to teach them.
You are correct that if you go to the movie, it will not create an insurmountable problem for hunters and hunting. Personally, I don't want my daughters confronted with disingenuious, politically motivated, propaganda mascarading as a lighthearted family movie. It isn't about whether or not going to the movie will cause hunting to stop, rather it is about living my life in a way that is consistent with my value system.
I hope you will rethink your point of view and read your daughters something like Little Red Riding Hood instead. A book is probably better for them in the long run anyways, and at the end of the story who saves the day . . . one of us . . . a hunter. That is my kind of story.
Please understand that I am not trying to be confrontational and I respect your decision to go to the movie if that is what you want to do, but I did feel compelled to share my opinion on the matter. I hope you will reconsider and decide that maybe this movie is not something you want to throw your hard earned money into.
Ted
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Those numbers are total sales for the last year of sales. Chris you do what you feel you need to, I provide information and links. Do some reading and research if it interests you. There are plenty of links in this forum and in other ones. If you don't think the media effects popular perception of hunters and even our own perceptions, I ask this simple question.
When someone shoots a small deer, what is the first thing that comes to your mind?
This is a slow process, but the opposition has plenty of time as for they only have one goal anyways.
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When I saw the advertisement for this garbage on tv my stomach turned.
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This has been going on in Hollywood since Walt Disney put out Bambi. This movie gave animals human qualities and i feel was the start of the anti hunting movement by Hollywood liberals. I may be wrong but this is how i feel.
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I agree that Hollwood isn't a friend to hunters. Many stars are active in PETA & other aniaml rights movements. My concern is the behaviour of hunters in public areas. Where I hunt I usually find trash left behind by so called " Sportsman" on trails and in parking areas. Non hunters see this and associate it with all hunters and equate all with slob behaviour. I met one fellow jogging last fall while on a pre season scouting trip. He said he knows when it's deer season from the empty bait bags laying all over the road along with pop cans and trash in parking spots. I always end up bringing home a bag of crap I pick up. Last year in one spot a carton from a Block archery target, scent bottles blister packs and empty Gander Mountain bags. To me that does more harm than a cartoon. I love watching Bugs Bunny make a fool of Elmer Fudd but it never made me anti hunting.
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Yesterday my oldest son (41/2) and I saw a promo for the movie. I made the remark that this movie was complete garbage and that I did not want to see it. My son replied,"I like it, I want to see it". I immediately responded with an emphatic NO! I told him that our family are hunters and this movie told a story that hunters are bad and stupid. I wish everyone could see the look on his face as I educated him on what is right and what is wrong.(He was believing my every word) Bambi will never be seen in my house, it is the principle of it all. As a parent and ethical hunter, I have an ongoing responsibility to educate my sons as to what is true and just. This movie portrays hunters in a bad light and no matter how funny it may seem to some, it is not that funny to me. God Bless the next generation of hunters, T
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I went to see "Open Season" with my family on Sunday October 1st, Which also happens to be "Open Season" (the opening day of Fall Turkey and most Small Game season) here in New York State.
It was so funny!!!!! I laughed so hard I thought I would Pi$$ myself!!!!! This movie was very tastfully done and there was no "Hunter Bashing" that you all ASSUME is in it. BTW remember folks that when you ASSUME.....
Here is the basic plot.....
Boog is a Grizzly Bear who was rescued as a cub by a female ranger.Boog lives in the rangers garage,eats from a bowl,sleeps with a teddy bear,and "goes"in a toilet.
Shaw,is the Hunter (ie.Bad Guy) He shows up in town with a busted horn buck tied to the hood of his truck.Elliot the buck is not dead,only "stunned" because Shaw hit him with his truck.As he is trying to convince Boog to cut him loose,the local sheriff is giving Shaw a butt chewing about having the buck on his hood and the season not opening for 3 more days,and Shaw is trying to tell the Sheriff that it was an "accident" that he hit the buck (which the sheriff clearly doesn't believe.
Boog cuts Elliot loose and later Elliot comes to "rescue" Boog from his garage.Together they team up to raid a store and eat all of the goodies and snacks.The Sheriff comes and gets Boog and takes him home,He tells the ranger that she has to return him to the wild,She's concerned about his safety during hunting season and the Sheriff tells her to let him go "above the falls" and that he will be safe up there.
Opening day arrives The Sheriff is selling hunting licenses,The hunters are Thanking the Sheriff,and the Sheriff is wishing them Good Luck.
Meanwhile Boog and Elliot have been trying to find thier way back to town and they end up down below the falls where the hunters are.Boog,Elliot,and the rest of the animals all team up together and chase all of the hunters out of the woods.
The ranger comes to rescue Boog and he decides that he likes being a bear and wants to stay in the woods with his friends.
My family and I give it..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Sounds like a great flick. Lets see, the main hunter is a poacher, a liar, and the bear is a rescued/domesticated animal. What could I have found wrong with the film and why do I even bother?
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Hey Chuck,
that's a courageous post for this thread. I've got to give it up, you've got guts, pal!!!
I can't stand Hollywood and rarely go the movies, especially of the silly anthropomorphic kind, but now you made me curious, I might go see it after all, if only to hear Martin Lawrence, of whom I'm a big, big fan :notworthy:
Can't wait for Oct.14th :campfire:
sharpening my incisives and broadheads
good luck, dude
alex
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Interesting post.
Thanks for the movie critique Chuck. Doesn't sound as bad as its trailer looks.
Food for thought about Bambi. I think Bambi freaks kids out not so much from the faceless scary hunters, but because of the notion that your parents could be killed/die and leave you an orphan. Yes it is negative for hunting but its like transference...blame all hunters for leaving me an orphan.
Don't mean to hijack the thread but it seems to be germane to the issue.
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David, Maybe you shouldn't "bother" trying to find fault when there is none. I fully commend folks like you who bring legitamate conserns to our attention. However... Just seeing a trailer on a TV screen hardly makes anyone an expert on the content of the movie. In this day and age as parents we spend alot of time trying to explain the differance between "real" and TV/video games.
This is a cartoon movie,and as I said it is VERY tastefully done.I see you are a full time Dad.You are to commended and your son is a very lucky young man.Boys need time to laugh and learn.Maybe you should take him to see the movie,and the two of you can laugh and have fun together.Then the two of you can come home and prepare for and go on a hunting trip,and his Dad (not Hollywood) can teach him the differance between what is real and the "movies".
May The Great Spirit Guide Your Arrows
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You see Chuck, our kids have parents who can tell them the difference. 95% of the kids out there have no contact with hunting beyond this sort of thing. I choose not to finance these images, it only breeds more. I didn't base my judgement on just the trailer.
Lots of ways to make a child laugh.
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There are plenty of ways to laugh with our kids other than having Hollywood provide the laughs. No thank you. I'm not quite ready yet to compromise some principles that I have obtained over the years. My boys and I will find laughter in real life experiences. See the whole issue with me is hunters image and how it is being portrayed. Our image in this country is embarrasing to me. Sure I would guess that the movie is funny and all, but like John Wooden said, "I am just a simple man who stays true to his principles". T
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Well said, David, it's not about my kids. It's about the kids that are being socialized in a number of subtle ways by mass media and popular culture that hunters/hunting are distasteful, unethical, etc., with no alternative voice teaching them that my chosen way of life is also a viable option. We all do our best to perpetuate our values, but we cannot reach the masses like hollywood can and I do believe that a cute, funny, anthropomorphized moose resonates to kids more so than my ugly mug does.
Even in your description of the movie, Chuck, you mention a number of problematic aspects of the plot. Why is the hunter a bad guy rather than a concerned conservationalist. Why are the sales of hunting licenses viewed as an antagonistic act, rather than an effective way of maintaining the health of the population. Why aren't there any cartoons featuring anti-hunters threatening or assaulting hunters as the bad guys thwarting the best interests of the health of the given species?
I think your intention in posting the movie description was to reassure us that the movie is o.k., but actually it only strengthened my resolve not to pay money to see it. I just don't see any evidence that this isn't noxious anti-hunting propaganda. Given that there are so many other options for my girls, why would I choose one that could plausibly be interpreted as defaming one of the fundamental passions of my being. I mean it's not like this is the only cartoon movie out there right now.
It bothers me to no end the how hunters are portrayed as Slack-jawed yokels time in and time out. It is a stereotype that simply doesn't map out to reality. And like any other politically charged stereotype in our society, I am teaching my girls that stereotyping and other closed minded attitudes are dysfuntional. There is no need to patronize a stereotype perpetuating movie like this one appears to be.
My rant is not directed at you Chuck - I just get frustrated when I see this kind of stuff coming from hollywood being forced in front of my little girls' faces.
Ted
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Personally, in these days in age, my children and I get laughter anywhere we can get it, but I ALWAYS taught them the common sense needed to know when Bullsh..t stops and truth starts! No disturbance or confusion here. But BowmanT, I totally understand and respect your choice in that matter
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I really miss Abbott & Costello
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David,
that's what you get for being so close to our country's heartbeat! :notworthy: By the way, thank you for always keeping us well informed and keeping it real, man
Alex
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Just a little background info on myself.....
I have worked for a large commuter rail road here in the northeast for the last 19 years.I was a car inspector (mechanic) and in 1995 while working under a train I suffered a 660 volt electric shock that went up my right arm,across my chest (through my heart) hitting my spine it branched and part exited my left arm,and the other traveled up my spine and out of the top of my head. I was in intensive care for 2 days and out of work for 2 1/2 years. I SHOULD be taking a dirt nap right now!!!!!
Nobody holds hunting more near and dear to thier heart than I do.HOWEVER..... I refuse to live my life in the shadow of political correctness.Unfortunatly hunting will never be the "Socialy Accepted" past time that it once was. Times change,and there is nothing we can do about it.I do NOT purposely offend people,HOWEVER..."WE" just by being hunters offend certain people because of what we do (hunt) and not because of how we act. I personaly don't give a rats a$$ what anyone thinks about me being a hunter. I ALLWAYS act like a complete gentleman in public because that is who I am a gentleman (who hunts). I teach my children to hunt because there is nothing wrong with it,and because it is legal,and it is just plain what we do.I leave the "political" view points out of it.
I'm just curious how do you people explain Abortion Rights,Gay Rights,Anti-War protests to your children????? The other day we drove by an Anti-Abortion protest and my 7 year old son said "People are killing babies?????" How would you explain that?????
I teach my children,I teach them do do what I believe and was raised to believe is right. I leave political views and reasons out of it.Frankly,trying to explain to young children your political reasons for thinking the way that you do will bore the crap out of them.There will be plenty of time in later years for my boys to form thier own political views.
As I have said before,I should be dead right now. THEN who would teach my sons????? If there is one thing that I have learned it is that life is TOO SHORT!!!!!!!!!! You have to learn to live and laugh. This was a very funny cartoon movie and we all enjoyed it very much.The NEXT day we spent practiceing with our bows and talking about getting ready to go HUNTING!!!!!!!!!! and guess what????? I can't see where to movie has bothered them at all.....
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So Chuck you would take your kids to a cartoon movie about Gays and Abortion so long as it was funny in a tasteful way?
If you weren't here to take your boy to the film and someone else did, think they would explain to him the unreality of the portrayal of hunters in it? Most children as I've said before don't have any exposure to hunting beyond these films/shows. They don't have parents that have had any exposure either. This is the reality of who we are to them, what they see in the media. If we support it with our dollars, then we are being hypocrits when we speak out against how are image has been degraded by these outlets. We also help encourage more of them.
"Make friends with nature" is the line they are using with the Burger King Kids Meals that have toys from this movie in them. Guess that means hunters aren't friends with nature as far as they're concerned. The fact that we supply all of the money for state fish & wildlife depts, do the managing of the herds/animals and do more for conservation than any other groups accounts for nothing as for these things aren't spoken of in the Mass Media. They would rather have us be the funny, inept, unethical villains in these films.
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Dave, The answer to your first question is NO!!!!! I wouldn't have the first idea how to explain "Gay" or "Abortion" to my 7 year old.
Question: What is the differance between an activest and a fanatic.....
Answer: None
Political activests and fanatics refuse to either actknowledge or accept that there an "other side" to the issue. Thier way is the only "Right Way".This is the type of thinking that is encouraging poeple to strap themselves with explosives and blow themselves up. (because it is the "Right" thing to do)
I spent 6 years as a Force RECON Marine doing operations all over the world. The first,and most important thing that was taught to me was....."If you want to REALLY know your enemy,you have to BECOME your enemy". You learn to live like him,You learn to think like him,only then can you learn what he is all about.
So far EVEYONE who has posted here has stated thier assumptions and oppinions as to the content of this movie. (and they are all wrong BTW) HOWEVER....."I" am the only person who has gone to see this movie,and therefore "I" am the only person truely in the position to judge this movie. If any of you choose to go and see this movie and you disagree with my viewpoints,then please send me a PM and we can discuss the certain scenes in detail. Who knows,"I" could possibly be wrong,and I am man enough to admit it.
My basic point is our children are much to young to become entangled in the "political fray". It is our job to teach them "right" from "wrong",and you cannot teach them what is "right" without showing them what is "wrong".
Thank You My Friends.....
May The Great Spirit Guide Your Arrows
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You are in correct in the answer to your very own question. As far as your being the only one having a right to make a judgement on this film, well we disagree there also. It also doesn't appear that anything is sinking in beyond your own immediate needs when it comes to this film, that in itself is a statement to much of what will truly be the threat to huntings future. You continue to change your reasoning and defense of your position, that also tells me some things.
We are allowed our own opinions and choices. We disagree on this one, but I am sure we all agree on much more than we disagree on.
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Dave, We should get together and go hunting, :archer: :archer:
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I agree. Can't wait for Saturday, opening day is here and so is the St Jude's bow HOpe!
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Let me know how you make out,I'm going up to the Adirondacks for the weekend.
Good Luck!!!!!
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Well hunters have been bad in Hollywood for a long time. Bambi, Beauty and the Beast, Rescuers II (poacher actually but seen as the same by Hollywood), Tarzan, etc.... Although these do bother me, as the one sided views of Hollywood often do, I would be less bothered if there were movies that showed the other side as they used to do: Where the Red Fern Grows, The Yearling, and as mentioned Daniel Boone/Davey Crockett. But that may lead to a bunch of kids trapping/hunting and other generally healthy excercise and we can't have that.
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I did a little mini boycott this afternoon. Cassidy (3 year old) and I were out running some errands. Cassidy needed lunch and there was a burger king along the trail. Pulled into the drive-in ordered the burger king version of the happy meal. After I ordered, I realized that the accompanying toy was an "Open Season" figurine. When I got to the window, I told the lady working that I was sorry, but I could not accept the order. I told her that I didn't realize that Burger King was promoting a movie with an anti hunting agenda. I apologized again for not realizing before I ordered, and drove off. I don't think she understood what I was talking about, nor do I think that she cared one way or another. I ended up having to go a bit out of my way, but ended it up at a Diner for some midday pancakes with Cassidy Sunshine.
I know my little boycott did nothing the stem the tide of hollywood anti-hunting sentiment, but it did make me feel good to act in accordance with my beliefs. Besides, pancakes are Cassidy's favorite food anyways.
. . . then we came home and shot our longbows together and talked about hunting together when she gets bigger.
Ted
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I don't have to rape someone to have a pretty good picture of what that is and the pain and terror it causes to the victim. I don't have to steal someones car or kill another person to get a pretty good idea of what that is. Maybe I don't have first hand experience, but I have enough to make my own decisions. If I come upon additional information that changes my point of view, I change my decisions. I haven't made up my mind as to the legitimate (or not) effects this movie may have, but I know for a fact (based upon promos and reviews on this site) that this movie portrays hunters as idiots, fools, liars, cheats.
This hits home as I just had words with a co-worker who said essentially the same thing to me in a pretty one sided heated arguement. She was right (and loud) and I was wrong. Of course, she stated that we were all idiots and dangerous and drunks etc...except for her husband.
Don't for a minute think that people don't buy into this BS. We are, as a society pulling farther and farther away from the world of nature. I can't stop it, but I am sure not gonna help it !
ChuckC
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Well Fox will be running a series of anti-trapping ads that are very misinformative. The trsps pictured in the spots are illegal for land use and FOX has been informed of this.
More media manipulation.
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Dianey flicks have always been anti-hunter based . I never used to pay much attention to it, I now conteract the propoganda with my own explanations of why I hunt to the kids :) . My daughter has gone with me turkey hunting and loves it.
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Hey fellows, you can make friends with that 300 pound boar...any issues you may have with each other are simply a misunderstanding, and can be overcome with time, patience, love, etc...remember - big, cranky old boars probably just had a sad piglethood, and they just need some nurture to come out of their shell.
It's the same with a wild bull camel, jack donkey or brumby stallion - deep down, they each want to be your friend!
That's what movies teach kids...
Cheers, Ben
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I agree with what was said that the majority of hunting shows are probably doing more damage to hunting than bambi could ever do.
I also miss the days of role models like Crocket and Boone. These guys were the type guys that built America, now all our kids have as role models are over paid sports figures.