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Title: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 10, 2008, 05:18:00 PM
I've developed a terrible flaw in my form.  I know what it is and the reason for it, but I'm having a really hard time curing it.  I need to turn my head to look at the target directly instead of "side looking" at it.  Here's the thing though, If I had signed up for the on-line tourney I'd be shooting in the mid to high 50's.  When I consciencely turn my head to look straight my groups spread out.

Any suggestions?

Have you ever done this? Boy, do I feel ridiculous.


 (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/VAbowbender/Nose.jpg)
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: indianalongbowshooter on January 10, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
used to do it had my nose just like yours, just turn your head slightly will make all the difference in the world and after your brain gets used to the different sight picture your groups will tighten back up. It took about 3-4 days shooting everyday to retrain my brain. Sure does hurt after awhile doesnt it...
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Gatekeeper on January 10, 2008, 05:33:00 PM
Cut your nose off!  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: drewsbow on January 10, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
I found that if I turn towards the target ( Terry's clock) it helps with get lined up better and no slap :0)
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Ketzi on January 10, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Yes, I did, but never in such a colourful way. My problem was canting my head more than the bow... ouch! Eliminated itself after changing from glove to tab.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 10, 2008, 05:39:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gatekeeper:
Cut your nose off!   :banghead:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Gatekeeper on January 10, 2008, 06:08:00 PM
Yes but apparently not enough. :biglaugh:

I had this problem a while back and it was a combination of turning my head too much and tilting my head too much. I am not sure how or what made me start doing it but boy it will really make you string shy.

Are you starting flinch now when you release?
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: A.S. on January 10, 2008, 06:16:00 PM
I went through the same thing last spring. I really don't know where it started, but man did it ever get frustrating! I finally worked it out by concentrating on not tilting my head into the string, but bringing the string to my face.

Good news is that it WILL go away, stay with it.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 10, 2008, 06:24:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Gatekeeper:
Are you starting flinch now when you release?
No, that's why my groups are staying tight.  I'm trying to really pay attention to form and square to the target and it's better, but then a few shots and... ouch   :scared:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Gene Roberts on January 10, 2008, 06:38:00 PM
Yes,Move your head slightly away from the string.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Budog56 on January 10, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Have you thought about a nose guard??....lol...sorry couldnt resist
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Russ Clagett on January 10, 2008, 06:49:00 PM
No sir. But I have anchored and released the string, and it ripped out some of my mustache.

Now I lean my head over sideways, and anchor further back past my mouth.

did jump around there for a little bit when it happened.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: GingivitisKahn on January 10, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
I tend to chap the nation out of the corner of my mouth when I shoot alot.  Recently for hunting I started wearing a camo bandanna from my eyes down.   Not only does it make me feel sneakier, but it protects my face from my string.

What the heck - you might want to give it a try and see what you think.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 10, 2008, 06:50:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Gene Roberts:
Yes,Move your head slightly away from the string.
That's really good advice.   :rolleyes:  

I was looking for something more, like this from another forum/message board.

VA -

You know what the problem is with the nose, the question that remains is why do your groups open up when you face the target?

We can't see you from here and you can't see youself from where you are either, so these are just generalities.

For most people, turning their heads away from the target lengthens their draw; conversely, turning it towards the target shortens their draw. The first thing to consider is that shortening the draw is messing up your shoulder alignment, meaning your drawing arm is no longer in line with the arrow at anchor. IF that's the case, then you'll have to figure out how to maintain alignment while looking squarely at the target. Drawing in front of a morror, videp taping or a coach/friend watching would be in order.

The other option is that with your head square to the target, the arrow may no longer be under your eye and that may be messing with your aim.

Could be a lot of things, including bad carma, but like I said, hard to tell from here.

Viper1 out.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: snag on January 10, 2008, 07:15:00 PM
I am laughing out loud right now! I look JUST like you! I have the "road rash" on my nose too!!!!!  I find that if I think about anchoring the tip of the fletching to the tip of my nose I am ok.   I had thought I was the only weird one out there! Not really weird...just...well, different!  lololol I even went to putting a band aid on it when I shot! But I felt like Michael Jackson with one glove! Not right! Couldn't find a camo band aid!
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: BigRonHuntAlot on January 10, 2008, 07:36:00 PM
Taint Funny... LOL  Well, maybe a little. I have done it too but don't recall what I did to stop it., the pain will make you figure it out though  :knothead:    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Terry in Ore on January 10, 2008, 08:42:00 PM
Been there done that too  LOL  :biglaugh:  agree with Ron   "the pain will help you stop"
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Killdeer on January 10, 2008, 08:55:00 PM
Well, sorta. But I don't get a cute li'l nose job, I get a cool scuff on my cheek that looks like I just escaped a date with Mike Tyson.

I think I turn my head to the right and into the string to get the arrow under my right eye more, instead of to the right of it. I am left eye dominant, but not severely, and can switch when I think about it. But turning my head also gets both of the eyes closer to being on the same plane, closer to the arrow.

I am paying more attention to it, and refiguring my anchor. After 43 years, the struggle continues. God forbid that I should get lessons. Then what would I do?
Killdeer
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Brian Krebs on January 10, 2008, 11:05:00 PM
:banghead:  oh dang it- I have doomed myself   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: snag on January 10, 2008, 11:32:00 PM
Well, you've taken enough harrassment for this...so it's time to spread it around....me too, brother! Oh, sorry for the close up. It's hard to take a pic of yourself.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/snag23/DSC00532.jpg)
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: cahaba on January 11, 2008, 05:26:00 AM
I was having the same problem but i was hitting my lower lip. I was pressing my anchor to hard to my face. Started just touching the corner of my mouth softly and it went away.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: A.S. on January 11, 2008, 06:15:00 AM
Now I remember what caused mine this past spring. I was in the process of switching to 3under. I was tilting my head way into the string in an effort to get the arrow better lined up with my eye (arrows were hitting way right-left handed shooter). I eventually dropped my ring finger and shoot 2under-problem gone! Everytime I try 3under now I still nip my nose.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 16, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
Now this is getting ridiculous!  I worked all day on Tuesday trying to eliminate the nose slap thing.  I finally got it under control (3 fingers under, again)
I went to the work shed to make a few string keepers.  I was using a Dremel tool with a ceramic wheel to cut deer antler.  The disc broke and WHACKED me square on the tip of my already sore nose! :eek:

(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/VAbowbender/nose2.jpg)
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Brian Krebs on January 16, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
Seems like when you get wounded; the whole universe is out to get that spot again!
 I have broken a toe and had people step on my foot twenty times.
 Once I seriously burned my hand; and I was sitting in the doctors office; with my hand held up- so it wouldn't bump into anything. The doctor walked in; and grabbed my hand- and shook it while introducing himself...

Everything will be out to get your nose now- so beware !!!

 :archer:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: George D. Stout on January 16, 2008, 06:27:00 PM
Make sure you are anchoring tight into your face.  Although it may sound contradictory, I had that trouble once.  I found that I was not getting into my face and the string was rolling into my nose, rather then straight ahead.  It would be worth a try anyhoo.  :confused:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Robhood23 on January 16, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
My wife got a big kick out of me the other day. I was running on the treadmill in the basement and I had this great idea that I would run for 15 minutes go and shoot some arrows in the basement then run and shoot etc. Well just an FYI if you decide to do this and you are wearing an IPOD take it OFF. The first shot hit the IPOD wires and slapped me in the neck and arm. I still have a red line accros my neck, chin and arm.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Gatekeeper on January 16, 2008, 07:57:00 PM
For the archer that has everything including a sore nose we at ACME Archery have designed a product with you in mind.


(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/Gatekeeper100/nose.jpg)

Now you can breath comfortably and with confidence knowing that you are protecting your nose from annoying string slap. That's right this lightweight, space age, fashionable device will make you the envy of all your friends at the archery range. But why stop there? Wear it at the beach, at work or in your shop while working with power tools. Any place that you find yourself sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, you will be able to strap on your nose protector and address your day knowing that you are protected.

Sorry I can't help myself.  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 16, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
That's PERFECT!!!  Does it come in "Real Tree HD"?
 :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: SOS on January 16, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
I find I'm more liable to hit my nose with a tab - about a year ago was having the same trouble.  Haven't really had a problem since using a big shot glove.  I tend to draw really deep into the corner of my mouth - may not be the best form but it feels right.
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: BigRonHuntAlot on January 16, 2008, 08:15:00 PM
:biglaugh:  ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: bayoulongbowman on January 16, 2008, 08:23:00 PM
so what does string nose slap smell like??I know it STINKS...SORRY ...I have never ever done that...looks painful...good luck...>>>>
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: VA Bowbender on January 16, 2008, 08:31:00 PM
Here's the new target for the on-line tourney.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/VAbowbender/Nose1.jpg)
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Gatekeeper on January 16, 2008, 10:15:00 PM
:clapper:  

That's great!
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Killdeer on January 17, 2008, 05:29:00 AM
Pick a spot!  :D
Title: Re: Arm slap...ok, but Nose slap???? Update
Post by: Buz-AL on January 17, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
A couple years ago I thought I was hitting my nose with the string until I noticed the height of the index on the nock and decided to file 'em off.

Found out that the index was what was hitting my nose, not the string.

I'd been using Stotler Mid-nocks prior to that dozen arrows which came with some kinda nock with a sharply ridged index.